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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 12:29:24 GMT
That’s very positive but we’re not very good at A. Developing youth players and B. Actually playing them
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2019 12:54:14 GMT
That’s very positive but we’re not very good at A. Developing youth players and B. Actually playing them so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 20, 2019 15:06:13 GMT
That’s very positive but we’re not very good at A. Developing youth players and B. Actually playing them so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now Absolutely. And the level we are currently playing at lends itself more to giving them a chance. Watch out for Nathan Collins. Probably the best of the bunch in the long term.
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Post by werrington on Mar 20, 2019 16:21:47 GMT
That’s very positive but we’re not very good at A. Developing youth players and B. Actually playing them so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now Hughes signed Souttar
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 20, 2019 16:33:40 GMT
so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now Hughes signed Souttar He was signed during his reign, but do we have any idea who scouted him? Was it a Cartwright masterstroke?
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2019 17:09:34 GMT
so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now Hughes signed Souttar Did he? Good for him🙂
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Post by werrington on Mar 20, 2019 17:23:46 GMT
I wasn’t being funny I was just pointing it out as you said Hughes never gave youth a chance He was purchased as one for the future
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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 17:29:26 GMT
That’s very positive but we’re not very good at A. Developing youth players and B. Actually playing them so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now Am I wrong tho?
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Post by bloodtypered on Mar 20, 2019 18:13:49 GMT
Hope he is ready but playing for fleetwood and playing for stoke is a big difference
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 18:16:03 GMT
Hope he is ready but playing for fleetwood and playing for stoke is a big difference It’s really not these days.
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Post by onefatcopper on Mar 20, 2019 18:32:15 GMT
Hope he is ready but playing for fleetwood and playing for stoke is a big difference Totally agree, Fleetwood score goals !
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 20, 2019 19:19:30 GMT
If Fleetwood would, Stoke City should because Fleetwood would know better.
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Post by lordb on Mar 20, 2019 19:31:52 GMT
so that will never change then? It's set in stone? Jones,unlike Pulis & Hughes has a record of bringing though young players we currently have Edwards who has cemented his place in the team, Verlinden who has been given his debut, Campbell who has had a chance (& in my view impressed,certainly played better than Afobe or Diouf) & is now having a successful loan & now Souttar who is also having a success loan Surely it should be staring all supporters in the face that we are now having a period of bringing good players through. It's happening right now Am I wrong tho? Time will tell of course but right now the evidence is contrary to your statement.
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Post by rawli on Mar 20, 2019 19:51:03 GMT
He's shit though and has no chance of making it. I've seen it on here tons of times so it must be true.
Same as Edwards was up till a few weeks ago.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 20, 2019 22:10:38 GMT
For me, he's already shown he's good enough to play league 1 football and so next season he should be one of the squad centre backs. Most likely 4th choice, but potentially rotating into 3rd choice. We need young hungry players who are looking to improve their career and drag us up with them. It'll also help the fact they will be cheaper than over the hill players like Ashley Williams.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 21, 2019 8:19:03 GMT
I wasn’t being funny I was just pointing it out as you said Hughes never gave youth a chance He was purchased as one for the future I don't think Hughes' problem was ever that he wasn't interested in signing young, promising players, was it? It was more a case that, having signed them, he didn't really seem to have a development plan for them. Even Edwards' budding career might have suffered right at the start. His first two or three games (as I remember it) were in tough fixtures against the top clubs - then, in games where he might have expected to start against clubs lower down the league, he was unaccountably dropped. I'm delighted (but also rather surprised) that he seems to have come as far as he has with his confidence still intact. Confidence is a big thing in football - I'll never understand why Ryan Shawcross was asked to make his international debut against Zlatan Ibrahimovic as a late substitute against a player who was clearly bang on form, rather than being given a start in the much easier game we had in the same international break. Managers are weird sometimes.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 21, 2019 9:19:29 GMT
He's shit though and has no chance of making it. I've seen it on here tons of times so it must be true. Same as Edwards was up till a few weeks ago. To be fair he had the turning circle of a ship and was noticeably slow.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 21, 2019 9:44:40 GMT
Not a post about Souttar in particular but the integration of young players into a team in general as there are so many variables. It’s like baking a perfect cake, all the ingredients need to be in place, you have to have the right equipment being used by a capable pastry chef.
Ability, physicality, mentality, fitness etc. The players around the individual to provide playing support and verbal encouragement. How well the team is playing The opposition, collectively and individually The value of the game i.e must win
I enjoyed watching Verlinden last week especially in the first half because he fitted into the above, and the game was probably one that you wouldn’t class as a “must win”
There have been (the likes of Rooney spring to mind) and there will be in the future exceptions to the rule (why not at SCFC)
I hope not, but Verlinden’s intitial form may drop as a result of many factors, the balance will be to retain his confidence in his own ability. My guess is that it will be a gradual and learning process as it is with the introduction of any young player.
Game time like Souttar and Campbell are currently getting at lower league teams is important in their development and hopefully SCFC will be the benefactors........but possibly there’s a long way to go yet.
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