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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2019 21:59:10 GMT
The "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. It's manager speak for "They sacked me". Former Stoke City manager Tony Pulis says he is "disappointed" to leave the Potters but has "accepted" chairman Peter Coates's decision to take the club in a different direction BBC Sport What's your point? You're just confirming that the "different direction" comment was made by Pulis.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 22:01:17 GMT
Former Stoke City manager Tony Pulis says he is "disappointed" to leave the Potters but has "accepted" chairman Peter Coates's decision to take the club in a different direction BBC Sport What's your point? You're just confirming that the "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. I was supporting your comment
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2019 22:02:49 GMT
What's your point? You're just confirming that the "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. I was supporting your comment Fair enough.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 17, 2019 22:03:05 GMT
Said this the season before last but it all started when we sacked Pulis and the board chose to go in a'different direction'. At least I'm sure that's what they said at the time when good old Tony turned up with his dossier. NJ no doubt will be regretting taking this job soon enough. Problem is how do we stop the rot? Ah, the famous dossier. It was probably as blank as Mark Corrigan's presentation for Project Zeus.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 22:03:57 GMT
I was supporting your comment Fair enough. Thanks
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 22:05:26 GMT
It depends what you mean by that doesn't it? Do you mean the structure being introduced or do you mean Pulis going? Fucking hell"............Change of direction by the club = recruitment strategy = demise of quality = relegation = mediocrity The 'change of direction' Pulis was referring to was the direction known as 'not being managed by Pulis anymore'. That decision wasn't anything like a disaster as the club achieved its best league finishes for 40 years in the immediate aftermath and the club under Pulis was clearly stagnating. The recruitment has been disastrous but that owes at least as much to the managers at the helm in that time. You've talked on another thread about penny pinching, but when large sums have been given to managers (Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Afobe) it's been very poorly spent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
Allardyce would also have taken no sh#t from the board. He would have done his own deals and explained himself in public and pushed in the club and in the media to get out the players he wants and get in the players he wants. He is a big character, like say harry redknapp, who would have done the same. The board of Stoke City football club could not care less if Allardyce, redknapp etc know more about football than them. They just want a yes man. They wouldn't even allow TP to publicly question them. Even if he had saved the club from dropping into the third tier of English football and got them into the prem. When has Sam Allardyce ever questioned one of his previous employers? I am not actually saying big Sam is someone to go war with the board, but that he is a big presence who would takeover running the club and would want the club run his way...I think if you like he's a bit like TP, he wouldn't stand for a millionaire footballers but in a half arsed , half interested performance for the team on a Saturday afternoon. He just wouldn't have it. No matter how much they cost. I get the impression this board now, wants someone more likely to turn a blind eye to modern day footballers taking the p-ss. I think apathy suits them.
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2019 22:15:06 GMT
When has Sam Allardyce ever questioned one of his previous employers? I am not actually saying big Sam is someone to go war with the board, but that he is a big presence who would takeover running the club and would want the club run his way...I think if you like he's a bit like TP, he wouldn't stand for a millionaire footballers but in a half arsed , half interested performance for the team on a Saturday afternoon. He just wouldn't have it. No matter how much they cost. I get the impression this board now, wants someone more likely to turn a blind eye to modern day footballers taking the p-ss. I think apathy suits them. He might have a big presence, but he didn't take over running West Ham, Sunderland, Newcastle or Crystal Palace.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 22:34:14 GMT
Fucking hell"............Change of direction by the club = recruitment strategy = demise of quality = relegation = mediocrity The 'change of direction' Pulis was referring to was the direction known as 'not being managed by Pulis anymore'. That decision wasn't anything like a disaster as the club achieved its best league finishes for 40 years in the immediate aftermath and the club under Pulis was clearly stagnating. The recruitment has been disastrous but that owes at least as much to the managers at the helm in that time. You've talked on another thread about penny pinching, but when large sums have been given to managers (Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Afobe) it's been very poorly spent. Change of direction by the club (Owners FACT) = recruitment strategy (Owners FACT) = demise of quality (FACT) = relegation (FACT) = mediocrity (FACT) You've named 4 players out of 43 recruited, who was responsible for due diligence investigation and reporting? PS: I take it you forgot about N’Diaye You believe “we have a nucleus” of a team to be successful. I would imagine to most rationale people they would consider a “nucleus” to be 6/7 quality players. Name them!! Is either Berahino or Afobe in your “nucleus”
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 17, 2019 22:42:26 GMT
When has Sam Allardyce ever questioned one of his previous employers? I am not actually saying big Sam is someone to go war with the board, but that he is a big presence who would takeover running the club and would want the club run his way...I think if you like he's a bit like TP, he wouldn't stand for a millionaire footballers but in a half arsed , half interested performance for the team on a Saturday afternoon. He just wouldn't have it. No matter how much they cost. I get the impression this board now, wants someone more likely to turn a blind eye to modern day footballers taking the p-ss. I think apathy suits them. There were plenty of half arsed performances, especially in bonus games yet the same players were picked time and time again. Pulis, like any manager, has to pander to millionaire footballers or he wouldn't be in work. How much pandering did he give to Fuller, Pennant..?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 22:52:36 GMT
The 'change of direction' Pulis was referring to was the direction known as 'not being managed by Pulis anymore'. That decision wasn't anything like a disaster as the club achieved its best league finishes for 40 years in the immediate aftermath and the club under Pulis was clearly stagnating. The recruitment has been disastrous but that owes at least as much to the managers at the helm in that time. You've talked on another thread about penny pinching, but when large sums have been given to managers (Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Afobe) it's been very poorly spent. Change of direction by the club (Owners FACT) = recruitment strategy (Owners FACT) = demise of quality (FACT) = relegation (FACT) = mediocrity (FACT) You've named 4 players out of 43 recruited, who was responsible for due diligence investigation and reporting? PS: I take it you forgot about N’Diaye You believe “we have a nucleus” of a team to be successful. I would imagine to most rationale people they would consider a “nucleus” to be 6/7 quality players. Name them!! Is either Berahino or Afobe in your “nucleus” You're being deliberately evasive and vague owde. What exactly are you saying? Explain it to stupid old me rather than just saying the same thing over again. What should we have been careful for wishing for? What should we have done in 2013, if you were Peter Coates? Badou isn't a bad player and didn't get us relegated, he's just a mercenary who behaved poorly once down. As far as due dilligence goes, if the manager is prevented getting the players he wants by the 'bean counters' then theyre hauled over the coals for interference. The transfer team succeeds or fails as one but as I keep saying, if you look at the vast majority of players since the structure has come in the process is clearly largely driven by the manager. You have to buy into a hell of a lot of coincidences to believe otherwise. Nucleus of the squad would be Butland, Allen/Clucas/Woods/Etebo, Ince, Bojan, Berahino, yeah. The defence is fucked and we need at least four in minimum after Rowett's summer nightmare but we do have players who are capable of far better than we've seen.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 23:25:17 GMT
Change of direction by the club (Owners FACT) = recruitment strategy (Owners FACT) = demise of quality (FACT) = relegation (FACT) = mediocrity (FACT) You've named 4 players out of 43 recruited, who was responsible for due diligence investigation and reporting? PS: I take it you forgot about N’Diaye You believe “we have a nucleus” of a team to be successful. I would imagine to most rationale people they would consider a “nucleus” to be 6/7 quality players. Name them!! Is either Berahino or Afobe in your “nucleus” You're being deliberately evasive and vague owde. What exactly are you saying? Explain it to stupid old me rather than just saying the same thing over again. What should we have been careful for wishing for? What should we have done in 2013, if you were Peter Coates? Badou isn't a bad player and didn't get us relegated, he's just a mercenary who behaved poorly once down. As far as due dilligence goes, if the manager is prevented getting the players he wants by the 'bean counters' then theyre hauled over the coals for interference. The transfer team succeeds or fails as one but as I keep saying, if you look at the vast majority of players since the structure has come in the process is clearly largely driven by the manager. You have to buy into a hell of a lot of coincidences to believe otherwise. Nucleus of the squad would be Butland, Allen/Clucas/Woods/Etebo, Ince, Bojan, Berahino, yeah. The defence is fucked and we need at least four in minimum after Rowett's summer nightmare but we do have players who are capable of far better than we've seen. “Deliberately evasive and vague”... just once more because I don’t know how more succinct I can be Change of direction by the club (Owners FACT) = New Recruitment Strategy (Owners Fact) = Demise in quality of playing staff (FACT) = Relegation (FACT) = Championship Mediocrity (FACT) What would I have done in 2013 if I were Peter Coates. I’d have insisted that our change of direction ( without Tony Pulis) didn’t lose sight of the qualities that got us promoted, sustain EPL status, reach an FA Cup Final and play European Football since the mid seventies. The nucleous of players including Bojan and Berahino (3 league goals in 2.5 years or 50 appearances) will see us progress? OK. “Rowett’s summer nightmare”. Weren’t Clucas/Woods/Ince signed by Rowett? Aren’t those three in your nucleous for progress
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 23:46:10 GMT
You're being deliberately evasive and vague owde. What exactly are you saying? Explain it to stupid old me rather than just saying the same thing over again. What should we have been careful for wishing for? What should we have done in 2013, if you were Peter Coates? Badou isn't a bad player and didn't get us relegated, he's just a mercenary who behaved poorly once down. As far as due dilligence goes, if the manager is prevented getting the players he wants by the 'bean counters' then theyre hauled over the coals for interference. The transfer team succeeds or fails as one but as I keep saying, if you look at the vast majority of players since the structure has come in the process is clearly largely driven by the manager. You have to buy into a hell of a lot of coincidences to believe otherwise. Nucleus of the squad would be Butland, Allen/Clucas/Woods/Etebo, Ince, Bojan, Berahino, yeah. The defence is fucked and we need at least four in minimum after Rowett's summer nightmare but we do have players who are capable of far better than we've seen. “Deliberately evasive and vague”... just once more because I don’t know how more succinct I can be Change of direction by the club (Owners FACT) = New Recruitment Strategy (Owners Fact) = Demise in quality of playing staff (FACT) = Relegation (FACT) = Championship Mediocrity (FACT) What would I have done in 2013 if I were Peter Coates. I’d have insisted that our change of direction ( without Tony Pulis) didn’t lose sight of the qualities that got us promoted, sustain EPL status, reach an FA Cup Final and play European Football since the mid seventies. The nucleous of players including Bojan and Berahino (3 league goals in 2.5 years or 50 appearances) will see us progress? OK. “Rowett’s summer nightmare”. Weren’t Clucas/Woods/Ince signed by Rowett? Aren’t those three in your nucleous for progress Your cause and effect is muddled. The money we’ve spent has been poorly invested not because of any one ‘strategy’ but because the personnel entrusted to do so has been incompetent. We went down because Hughes (after initially doing very well in the midst of said ‘new direction’) completely lost the plot, and the board stuck with him too long. The failure of recruitment played a significant part in that too, but when Hughes was given money to spend he wasted it. Nothing to do with any ‘strategy’ just incompetence again. Those players were signed by Rowett, well spotted. A good manager could actually get a tune out of them. Berahino has been one of our better players this year. I don’t see why Bojan wouldn’t at least be worth a try at this level and again he’s played well when given the chance.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jan 18, 2019 12:22:37 GMT
Sort of a side question, but do we still employ Bowen and Hughes' kids? Not sure what role Bowen jr did but I think Hughes jr was player liaison?
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