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Post by 1863 on Jan 16, 2019 9:42:49 GMT
I keep wanting to wean myself off 'Stoke City'. I guess binning my season ticket a couple of years ago counted as part of that. Friends who still have ST's have acted like pushers, never quite allowing myself to go full 'cold turkey'. Took my main 'pusher' along last night as a 'thank-you'. Don't think I'll be doing that for a while. Treated him to a mixed grill at the Harvester before the match......that was shit too... Toodle pip .
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 16, 2019 9:47:05 GMT
Stuffed from arsehole to beak with poison. My arsehole has been stuffed with beak before so I know how it feels.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 16, 2019 10:00:42 GMT
Jack Butland
Moritz Bauer
Erik Pieters
Joe Allen
Ashley Williams Tom Ince
Peter Etebo Benik Afobe James McClean Josh Tymon
Ibrahim Afellay
Bruno Martins Indi
Charlie Adam
Ryan Shawcross
Mame Biram Diouf
Saido Berahino Sam Clucas
Cuco Martina
Darren Fletcher
Peter Crouch Tyrese Campbell
Bojan
Jakob Haugaard Tom Edwards Thibaud Verlinden Adam Federici Harry Souttar Ryan Woods Lasse Sorenson
Badou Ndiaye
Geoff Cameron
Giannelli Imbula Julien Ngoy
Kevin Wimmer
That is who I'd either get rid of or will go (ones with lines through them), so by my reckoning would leave us with a first team squad of
Ince Afobe McClean Tymon Clucas Campbell Edwards Verlinden Federici Souttar Woods Ngoy Sorenson
That is not a lot of playing staff left
Federici/NEW
Edwards - Souttar/NEW - NEW - Tymon
Woods
NEW - NEW
Ince
Afobe - Campbell
We're right up shit street really, but a huge clearout is a must.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:34:49 GMT
The buck stops with the Coates family, they're the ones in charge of hiring and firing and controlling the purse strings. Fair enough Coates family appointed scholes and cartwright! But; Fans moan and want pulis out as his football is shit! - pulis out! Fans moan results not good enough - Hughes out! Fans moan lambert not good enough - Lambert out Fans moan Rosett plays shit football - Rowett out Can’t say the Coates family haven’t listened to the fans! So maybe we should be looking elsewhere ??? That's just not true. All the sackings were driven by poor results
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Post by westgatelakes on Jan 16, 2019 10:41:40 GMT
He may turn out to be a good manager...... But once again... The cheap option.. Chosen a manager who is used to spending no money.. Aladyce or moyes would have wanted millions to spend. But had all the proper experience... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR no disrespect but this is bollocks
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Post by banx10 on Jan 16, 2019 15:49:58 GMT
Everyone knows I moan & moan about the dumb decision to give Pulis the boot. I've said a load of times it's an in-bred Stokie trait to 'enjoy' stress & disaster.
It was only yesterday when it dawned on me (and it's obvious) Coates & his family are Stokie, so why wouldn't they also be blinded by the Stokie disease.
They love it going home to their mansion having a right old moan about how terrible it all is.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 16, 2019 15:51:45 GMT
The only thing good about that title is the thought of Britney dancing round in her leathers...🤫
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Post by thevoid on Jan 16, 2019 18:15:14 GMT
He may turn out to be a good manager...... But once again... The cheap option.. Chosen a manager who is used to spending no money.. Aladyce or moyes would have wanted millions to spend. But had all the proper experience... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR Is he the cheap option though? We paid compo for Rowett and again for Jones, an up and coming young manager. The cheap option would have been someone like Mad Mick.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 16, 2019 18:16:37 GMT
If it gets any more toxic we could play Dynamo Chernobyl next summer 😎
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 16, 2019 18:18:27 GMT
If it gets any more toxic we could play Dynamo Chernobyl next summer 😎 I didn’t know Cheadle had formed their own team.
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Post by shangamuzo on Jan 16, 2019 18:30:34 GMT
Stuffed from arsehole to beak with poison. That's a variation on what the old-timers used to say. It was 'from arsehole to breakfast time '.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 19:07:41 GMT
When Hughes said "who else is going to do it" is beginning to ring true! As stated at the time history will be kinder to hughes , it’s obvious he was working under a pathetic structure surrounded by arrogance , complacency and incompetence , he played a part of course but the whole environment was rotten to the core Did you really, biscuits lad? Or did you consistently bitch about Hughes teasing the gravity crocodile, even during the seasons we finished in the top half...
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Post by doitforfrank on Jan 16, 2019 19:35:10 GMT
2-0 up at home against a team in the bottom of the league below us and STILL we cannot muster a win. They're all pathetic they really are, specialists in failure. I feel for NJ as he has a huge job ahead and I don't really know where he has to start. The club is rotten starting at the very top. The pathetic board simply have to back NJ this window and preferably allow him to look around at players in the championship and league one that will actually give a toss about playing for this club more so than half of those overpaid has-beens that we currently endure week in and week out. Im absolutely fed up with this shit every week, we seem to out do ourselves every game. I mean honestly, how the fuck does any team lose a 2-0 lead at home against a team thats meant to be worse than yourselves. Specialists in failure. Its heart wrenching watching how shite we have become in such a short space of time. Serious questions must be asked at board level as to who has consistently and monumentally fucked up on a regular basis. Cartwright's player recruitment process is absolute tripe when you consider a static 38 year old striker with zero mobility is still being called upon. An overweight yellow card magnet joke of a midfielder in Charlie Adam still getting a sniff of the first team squad, an injury prone centre back, albeit legend of the past of the club clearly past his best and a liability on each and every matchday an even slower Welsh centre back bombed out of Everton for being past it, I presume he agreed to the signing of Darren Fletcher FFS!! a veteran midfielder that has never been the same since he got a mystery illness that almost finished his career, but alas for him, Battersea dogs home came in and offered him a contract, the list goes on!. Its bloody mental we find ourselves where we are when pretty much 99% of the fanbase screamed and shouted that this would happen. I hope NJ gets the backing he needs in this window otherwise relegation, Ala Sunderland, is a real possibility I fear under this board. Do they give a shit? I certainly hope so but I have my serious, serious doubts. It cannot get much worse than this. It seems no lead is safe for "we play one half of football only" Stoke City. People might want to berate me for this post but this has gone beyond a joke. We can't beat fucking Shrewsbury of all clubs! its an absolute farce!!. The players aren't good enough and either need to be told to up their game or get out of this club and let NJ breathe new life into the squad with his own players. Rant over. Fantastic post. Sums up everything.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 16, 2019 19:38:08 GMT
No matter how often we all point it out, it seems no one at the top of the club is listening.
A culture of failure, spawned by smug satisfaction with mediocrity, permeates the whole sorry bunch, and has been allowed to seep into every particle of the club's fabric.
If Jones is to be given licence to wield the broom to sweep clean the playing staff of the last vestiges of several windows of failed recruitment, those upstairs who stood shoulder to shoulder in each pathetic photo revealing an ever more disappointing cast of high value new signings should also feel the wrath of the club's owners. They should be allowed to hide behind a succession of sacked managers no more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:01:02 GMT
He may turn out to be a good manager...... But once again... The cheap option.. Chosen a manager who is used to spending no money.. Aladyce or moyes would have wanted millions to spend. But had all the proper experience... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR Allardyce would also have taken no sh#t from the board. He would have done his own deals and explained himself in public and pushed in the club and in the media to get out the players he wants and get in the players he wants. He is a big character, like say harry redknapp, who would have done the same. The board of Stoke City football club could not care less if Allardyce, redknapp etc know more about football than them. They just want a yes man. They wouldn't even allow TP to publicly question them. Even if he had saved the club from dropping into the third tier of English football and got them into the prem.
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2019 19:47:45 GMT
He may turn out to be a good manager...... But once again... The cheap option.. Chosen a manager who is used to spending no money.. Aladyce or moyes would have wanted millions to spend. But had all the proper experience... YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR Allardyce would also have taken no sh#t from the board. He would have done his own deals and explained himself in public and pushed in the club and in the media to get out the players he wants and get in the players he wants. He is a big character, like say harry redknapp, who would have done the same. The board of Stoke City football club could not care less if Allardyce, redknapp etc know more about football than them. They just want a yes man. They wouldn't even allow TP to publicly question them. Even if he had saved the club from dropping into the third tier of English football and got them into the prem. When has Sam Allardyce ever questioned one of his previous employers?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 19:50:20 GMT
Allardyce would also have taken no sh#t from the board. He would have done his own deals and explained himself in public and pushed in the club and in the media to get out the players he wants and get in the players he wants. He is a big character, like say harry redknapp, who would have done the same. The board of Stoke City football club could not care less if Allardyce, redknapp etc know more about football than them. They just want a yes man. They wouldn't even allow TP to publicly question them. Even if he had saved the club from dropping into the third tier of English football and got them into the prem. When has Sam Allardyce ever questioned one of his previous employers? One of the most corrupt people in football wasn’t going to take a fat salary in exchange for keeping his mouth shut...come on! Jones is taking a risk here - it’s a massive task. He has not worked so hard to allow them lot to fuck it up for him and seems incredibly ambitious. Think he’d be more likely to walk than risk is growing reputation tbh...
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2019 20:19:22 GMT
When has Sam Allardyce ever questioned one of his previous employers? One of the most corrupt people in football wasn’t going to take a fat salary in exchange for keeping his mouth shut...come on! Jones is taking a risk here - it’s a massive task. He has not worked so hard to allow them lot to fuck it up for him and seems incredibly ambitious. Think he’d be more likely to walk than risk is growing reputation tbh... So you don't know then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:33:23 GMT
The subject heading is spot on.
There is no one person to blame. Everybody is at fault.
The Wimmer transfer, if what I've been told is accurate, is a classic example.
We all knew we needed a new centre half.
The club seemingly didnt. In the summer of 2017 we are not actively scouting one.
The deal is Hughes says what he wants eg "centre forward". Cartwright and his merry men then go and compile a list of potential players that fit in with the Stoke ethos, which was basically look for players who should be world class but have lost there mojo so will be cheap and hopefully keen for a fresh start. Pass those to the manager, select some, research them etc, offers and contracts over to scholes and coates.
So Hughes without warning says I want Wimmer. I'm back 3ing it this season. Club Ooooo no hang on a min. That's a lot of dough. Hughes says I need him. Club says but we havent scouted him or done any research or anything. Hughes says you either trust me and back me or you don't. Club says yep fair enough we will back you. In comes Wimmer, massive fee and wages and he's wank.
It looks like Hughes fault but actually it's everyones.
It's a Hughes signing. Why didn't the club stand there ground? Why did they pay so much? Why weren't the club telling Hughes centre backs were needed? When Hughes said he wanted one why didn't the club turn around and say...ah we thought you might say this...look at this list of young decent centre halfs we've already scouted and researched.
Not one person has done their job from top to bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:35:40 GMT
One of the most corrupt people in football wasn’t going to take a fat salary in exchange for keeping his mouth shut...come on! Jones is taking a risk here - it’s a massive task. He has not worked so hard to allow them lot to fuck it up for him and seems incredibly ambitious. Think he’d be more likely to walk than risk is growing reputation tbh... So you don't know then? No but this was meant to be in response to the comment above yours...
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Post by happychappy on Jan 17, 2019 21:01:29 GMT
Said this the season before last but it all started when we sacked Pulis and the board chose to go in a'different direction'. At least I'm sure that's what they said at the time when good old Tony turned up with his dossier.
NJ no doubt will be regretting taking this job soon enough.
Problem is how do we stop the rot?
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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2019 21:06:30 GMT
Said this the season before last but it all started when we sacked Pulis and the board chose to go in a'different direction'. At least I'm sure that's what they said at the time when good old Tony turned up with his dossier. NJ no doubt will be regretting taking this job soon enough. Problem is how do we stop the rot? The "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. It's manager speak for "They sacked me".
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 21:26:27 GMT
Said this the season before last but it all started when we sacked Pulis and the board chose to go in a'different direction'. At least I'm sure that's what they said at the time when good old Tony turned up with his dossier. NJ no doubt will be regretting taking this job soon enough. Problem is how do we stop the rot? The "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. It's manager speak for "They sacked me". Former Stoke City manager Tony Pulis says he is "disappointed" to leave the Potters but has "accepted" chairman Peter Coates's decision to take the club in a different direction BBC Sport
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 21:31:42 GMT
Said this the season before last but it all started when we sacked Pulis and the board chose to go in a'different direction'. At least I'm sure that's what they said at the time when good old Tony turned up with his dossier. NJ no doubt will be regretting taking this job soon enough. Problem is how do we stop the rot? The "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. It's manager speak for "They sacked me". Dave As PC said after relegation”hindsight is a wonderful thing” Stoke winger Matt Etherington has warned fans to be careful what they wish for with confirmation of Pulis' departure imminent. "I've spoken to a few of the other boys and they're shocked as well, it's hit us," he told talkSPORT. "Fans were grumbling saying they wanted him out or wanted a change but it looks like they have got their wish. "You have to be careful what you wish for in football sometimes. You look at Charlton under Alan Curbishley and look where they are now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 21:35:11 GMT
The "different direction" comment was made by Pulis. It's manager speak for "They sacked me". Dave As PC said after relegation”hindsight is a wonderful thing” Stoke winger Matt Etherington has warned fans to be careful what they wish for with confirmation of Pulis' departure imminent. "I've spoken to a few of the other boys and they're shocked as well, it's hit us," he told talkSPORT. "Fans were grumbling saying they wanted him out or wanted a change but it looks like they have got their wish. "You have to be careful what you wish for in football sometimes. You look at Charlton under Alan Curbishley and look where they are now. Stoke weren't relegated because they sacked Pulis. It happened five years after he left. You might as well give Steve Cotterill the credit for us getting promoted.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 21:42:38 GMT
Dave As PC said after relegation”hindsight is a wonderful thing” Stoke winger Matt Etherington has warned fans to be careful what they wish for with confirmation of Pulis' departure imminent. "I've spoken to a few of the other boys and they're shocked as well, it's hit us," he told talkSPORT. "Fans were grumbling saying they wanted him out or wanted a change but it looks like they have got their wish. "You have to be careful what you wish for in football sometimes. You look at Charlton under Alan Curbishley and look where they are now. Stoke weren't relegated because they sacked Pulis. It happened five years after he left. You might as well give Steve Cotterill the credit for us getting promoted. OK. Looking at the bigger picture the so called “change in direction” has had nothing to do with our demise. Fair enough
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 17, 2019 21:46:57 GMT
Stoke weren't relegated because they sacked Pulis. It happened five years after he left. You might as well give Steve Cotterill the credit for us getting promoted. OK. Looking at the bigger picture the so called “change in direction” has had nothing to do with our demise. Fair enough It depends what you mean by that doesn't it? Do you mean the structure being introduced or do you mean Pulis going?
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Post by algor on Jan 17, 2019 21:48:50 GMT
Stuffed from arsehole to beak with poison. How does a club detox? Really I can only think of Man City who proper fucked up and came back to the top elite level, but that cost billions. Newcastle, Norwich, West Ham and West Brom have been up and down like a whores draws but I am not sure if they were ever toxic. I surpose you could look at the dingles however, that makes me fell sick! What is the proven way to detox a club?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 17, 2019 21:56:29 GMT
OK. Looking at the bigger picture the so called “change in direction” has had nothing to do with our demise. Fair enough It depends what you mean by that doesn't it? Do you mean the structure being introduced or do you mean Pulis going? Fucking hell"............Change of direction by the club = recruitment strategy = demise of quality = relegation = mediocrity
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 17, 2019 21:57:16 GMT
A takeover with a fresh vision. However if what someone posted yesterday is true and we are the 6th biggest spenders over 10 years nobody can really say the Coates' havnt tried, if anything they deserve massive credit for trying because that's quite unbelievable for the size of the club.
If they intend to carry on they need a fresh CEO & transfer team to breath some fresh life into the project.
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