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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2019 22:33:18 GMT
Thought he was supposed to be the best crossed at the club? Ever cross he's hit has gone for a goal kick. He let's his men run off the back of him too easily. Compared to the crap Pieters gets it's unbelievable. Well thats bollocks.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 13, 2019 22:35:47 GMT
I doubt they're even comments that the players have made just put out by the club I'd imagine. Cant help feeling a lot of this stuff is an attempt at detract the fans thoughts away from the transfer team. It is very weird how completely overboard they give since Wednesday...and all the pictures of Bojan etc. We have a lot of spin at the club and it's generally done to make the board and transfer team look better.
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Post by lagwafis on Jan 13, 2019 22:44:04 GMT
From what we've seen, heard and read about Nathan Jones in the last five days he seems to pride himself on coaching, improving and developing players. In Tom Edwards he's got a young player who's shown a mix of potential and some rough edges in the last twelve months (exactly what you'd expect from a 19-year-old who's only started 17 games for us)
Interesting to see how this one develops, both in terms of NJ's ability as a coach and how Edwards might grow as a first-teamer.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 13, 2019 22:51:05 GMT
Thought he was supposed to be the best crossed at the club? Ever cross he's hit has gone for a goal kick. He let's his men run off the back of him too easily. Compared to the crap Pieters gets it's unbelievable. Well thats bollocks. Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross.
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Post by zigazaga on Jan 13, 2019 22:55:02 GMT
Too much talking, not enough on the pitch Same with all the players tbh. They can talk the talk but they cant walk the walk. I'm sick of hearing all the crap they keep spouting.
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Post by ohbottom on Jan 13, 2019 23:36:56 GMT
Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross. Yes he has
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 13, 2019 23:45:58 GMT
He can’t defend.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2019 23:48:16 GMT
Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross. He put in at least two in one of his last games (i miss remember the game sorry), so much so McClean had free header and should have scored, and he was one of very few players to come out with any credit against shrews, regardless of the pen. He's far from the finished article, but given how the fans go after people is it any wonder we don't get youngsters through, he's had good games, he's had bad, he needs time to learn and develop, people chatting utter bollocks as you have isn't going to help. Someone asked will the manager get time from the fans, well the young players we have need the same, unfortunately its clear from some that the answer is a resounding no.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2019 23:49:30 GMT
Has he been learning from Bauer, the best right back we have (snigger).
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 13, 2019 23:53:50 GMT
He can’t defend either 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 0:08:22 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. (And that is a wonderful cliche), but not sticking to the relegation clauses in the contracts of Butland, Shawcross and Allen, plus Berahino must be on mega bucks has done us no favours at all. Four senior players who are by far the best paid at the club. And already millionaires. They should be stepping up to the plate and giving these interviews. "We are alright, Jack. And fuck the rest of you." Rift amongst the first team squad? I have no idea. Good on you Tom for stepping up.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2019 10:56:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 11:10:53 GMT
Can't argue with that. Fair play to Tom Edwards, but it really says it all about the leadership in this team. We need a more vocal captain, Shawcross was a great player for us, but even at his best he was never suited to the other responsibilities of a club captain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 11:37:01 GMT
Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross. You mean his last game? You judging the young lad on one game?
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 14, 2019 11:42:02 GMT
Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross. You mean his last game? You judging the young lad on one game? Lets not beat around the bush the last 3 games he's played he's been the worst player on the pitch. Love the myth about him on here that he's the best thing since sliced bread, He's actually worse than cuco (how is that even possible?) Hes a local lad and is nowhere near good enough for our starting 11 at the moment (hopefully jones sorts him out)
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Post by RF10 on Jan 14, 2019 11:59:34 GMT
Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross. Sorry but your talking rubbish. He's put plenty of good crosses in since started appearing for first team. Not his problem not all of them have been finished, he's far from the finished article but crossing wise he's above Erik already.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 14, 2019 12:07:32 GMT
Edwards isn't quick enough to play as a fullback in my opinion. At least it looks like that to me as he troubles every time he meets someone with pace.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 12:35:25 GMT
You mean his last game? You judging the young lad on one game? Lets not beat around the bush the last 3 games he's played he's been the worst player on the pitch. Love the myth about him on here that he's the best thing since sliced bread, He's actually worse than cuco (how is that even possible?) Hes a local lad and is nowhere near good enough for our starting 11 at the moment (hopefully jones sorts him out) He's nowhere near the best thing since sliced bread but, he's nowhere near the worsted player on the pitch either Total over reactions yet again by "supporters"
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jan 14, 2019 18:03:27 GMT
I was in the seats overlooking the right back position in the first half on Saturday. The lad looked like a rabbit in the headlights. Deeply, deeply uncomfortable. That said, their left back, Rico Henry (who is mentioned on a different thread), invariably had acres of space to attack into. He had little, if any, protection.
In addition, he was no worse than any of the other 13 that took part. We were individually and collectively a f*****g car crash. And of course he is very young indeed. The worry is what taking a pasting like that (they looked like Barcelona - but they're Brentford) does for a young player's confidence.
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Post by madeleystokie on Jan 15, 2019 13:18:29 GMT
Get your eyes tested. He hasn't put in one decent cross. Of course he has. Admittedly, he's overenthusiastic at times and whips them to the far post or beyond, sometimes even out of play. Nobody is perfect. He's indicated that it's part of his game that he's working on in training so hopefully we'll see the benefit of it in the long run. I can think of two good examples off the top of my head. One was a perfect cross on a plate for McClean at Shrewsbury which he hit first time that went wildly wide. Another was in that home game where it was put in exactly the right spot for Ince to poke home only for it to be incorrectly ruled out for offside. Think it was against QPR.
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Jan 15, 2019 13:25:29 GMT
Edwards is average nothing more or less.He's okay when he's got his head down and crossing,got zero composure when given the ball in his own half.Lets hope Jones can improve him and help him kick on.
For what its worth hes no better or worse than Martina so if Stoke are gonna loan out Bauer its seems ridiculous.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2019 13:47:21 GMT
You’ve got to love Stoke fans haven’t you, the whole team was abysmal on Saturday particularly the back four but shall we focus on the three full Internationals with a combined age of 95 who so let the club down or shall we just give all the clog to a 19 year old kid
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 15, 2019 13:51:25 GMT
Would much rather develop our own youngster with a big potential who has occasional bad games than play a 30 year old right back, whose consistently poor and won’t get any better, and isn’t even a Stoke City player.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 15, 2019 14:16:31 GMT
None of our full backs suit the central diamond system because it requires them to bomb up the wing to create width, put in a cross and then get back quickly when we lose the ball. The last point is key because our cbs have to cover a lot of ground until the FBs get back - unfortunately Shawcross, Williams, Soutar and to a lesser extent BMI are too slow to cover the extra space and easily get exposed. Rowett played a different system but the result was the same and the only way he could protect the cbs was to drop back five mf players, which resulted in the turgid style that got him fired. Jones will figure this out PDQ and we’ll be in the same situation until we totally rebuild the back four, which won’t happen in January because there’s no money.
So the options are 1) get players forward, play an attacking and get thrashed or 2) go back to a defensive style and suffer a lot of games that end up with a lot of low scores .
i am afraid changing manager will have little impact on our performances on the pitch until we rebuild the team, which is a long-term project.
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Post by questionable on Jan 15, 2019 18:04:05 GMT
I’d rather not listen to Shawcross, his verbal skills are as good as his footballing ones, abysmal.
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