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Post by stokief on Jan 10, 2019 19:43:20 GMT
Where next? Does Daniel sort out a moon trip or something to see if there's another team in the Universe willing to 'carefully manage' the Austrian maestro? "Uranus is my ambition" On me 'ead Sun!
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Post by mattador78 on Jan 10, 2019 19:45:13 GMT
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Post by loosestools on Jan 10, 2019 19:45:28 GMT
Transfer fee £1 - SCFC get nothing - WHM bung £40m
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:50:07 GMT
Let's not rewrite history as you say. He was incredible for us for a few matches every season, but not until he managed to avoid throwing tantrums on pitch, answered the manager's demands to track back some of the time, and overcame to some degree his enormous inconsistency - and the first season here he was mostly crap and was frequently dropped/subbed. You're the one re-writing history my friend. He was a virtual ever present in his first season and he played a massive part in our 9th place finish. The only games he missed were the first few before he signed and several games over Christmas when he was injured. Arnie was a great player for us, and was ridiculously under-appreciated by some of our fans. Your memory serves you poorly and you're the next to re-write! He played 30 league games - that's nowhere near being everpresent - and he scored just 4 goals - that's not a massive part even allowing for our traditional low scoring ways. The next season he played 29 and scored the amazing sum of 1 goal. He did however spring into life in his 3rd season which is after 2 years of extremely hard work by the management to get him to play for the team and not just himself. This was reflected in the 11 goals he scored, his best ever for us.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 10, 2019 19:58:40 GMT
I must say, I am totally shocked by this turn of events, after his move to one of the most ambitious clubs in England Arnie now wants to move on.
At least it to play in one of the most ambitious leagues in the world and a chance to win trophies and nothing to do with money.
Couldn't happen to a nicer club, you cants!
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 10, 2019 19:59:42 GMT
You're the one re-writing history my friend. He was a virtual ever present in his first season and he played a massive part in our 9th place finish. The only games he missed were the first few before he signed and several games over Christmas when he was injured. Arnie was a great player for us, and was ridiculously under-appreciated by some of our fans. Your memory serves you poorly and you're the next to re-write! He played 30 league games - that's nowhere near being everpresent - and he scored just 4 goals - that's not a massive part even allowing for our traditional low scoring ways. The next season he played 29 and scored the amazing sum of 1 goal. He did however spring into life in his 3rd season which is after 2 years of extremely hard work by the management to get him to play for the team and not just himself. This was reflected in the 11 goals he scored, his best ever for us. He got dropped for Victor Moses in his second season didn't he? My thoughts on Arnie align with yours mate.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 10, 2019 20:01:07 GMT
Spot on. If you’re judging on talent alone and you ignore the circumstances surrounding his departure, he’s right up there alongside N’Zonzi for me as the best Stoke player of the Premier League era. Shaqiri was quality, but I would take Arnie over him every day of the week. The way it ended left a sour taste, but let’s not rewrite history - he was fucking incredible for us, has been for West Ham and he wouldn’t be out of place in a top six side at all. Let's not rewrite history as you say. He was incredible for us for a few matches every season, but not until he managed to avoid throwing tantrums on pitch, answered the manager's demands to track back some of the time, and overcame to some degree his enormous inconsistency - and the first season here he was mostly crap and was frequently dropped/subbed. Oh, the old “Arnie didn’t track back” myth. Complete nonsense. His first season was a bit hit and miss, but he still made an impact and was clearly a cut above what we had seen previously in the Premier League. To say he was “enormously inconsistent” is a massive exaggeration IMO, and as for the occasional tantrum - I would be more than happy to live with that given what he brought to the table.
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Post by PotterLee on Jan 10, 2019 20:02:07 GMT
We dont have any sell on clause for Arnie.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 10, 2019 20:04:54 GMT
We dont have any sell on clause for Arnie.
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Post by greenhoff on Jan 10, 2019 20:07:20 GMT
Let's not rewrite history as you say. He was incredible for us for a few matches every season, but not until he managed to avoid throwing tantrums on pitch, answered the manager's demands to track back some of the time, and overcame to some degree his enormous inconsistency - and the first season here he was mostly crap and was frequently dropped/subbed. Oh, the old “Arnie didn’t track back” myth. Complete nonsense. His first season was a bit hit and miss, but he still made an impact and was clearly a cut above what we had seen previously in the Premier League. To say he was “enormously inconsistent” is a massive exaggeration IMO, and as for the occasional tantrum - I would be more than happy to live with that given what he brought to the table. He was brilliant in his last season however prior to that he was very inconsistent. It was plain to see he had ability but to say he was a cut above anything wed seen does a massive disservice to players like Fuller and Etherington. As I said he was dropped for Victor Moses.
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Post by markytcd on Jan 10, 2019 20:18:50 GMT
We dont have any sell on clause for Arnie. How do you know?
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 10, 2019 20:26:37 GMT
Don’t blame him in a way, why not. If your passion is money rather than the club then fair play. He’s sensible really. Clearly not that arsed about his status in football.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 10, 2019 20:26:38 GMT
Well, so far it's proving to be a great week to be a stokie.
Hilarious.
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Post by boru on Jan 10, 2019 20:30:13 GMT
One of the best players we have ever had, probably the best of our premiership time.
All the best Arnie,
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Post by markytcd on Jan 10, 2019 20:33:47 GMT
Arguably the knobsac brother did his job! From 60k (est) to 300k (est) in about 18 months. Beats inflation! Actually wouldn't mind him in my corner.
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Post by PotterLee on Jan 10, 2019 20:53:40 GMT
We dont have any sell on clause for Arnie. How do you know? I remember asking someone at the time because of the N'Zonzi fiasco. The board were happy with the price they got for Arnie.
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Post by miggoscfc on Jan 10, 2019 21:10:29 GMT
You're the one re-writing history my friend. He was a virtual ever present in his first season and he played a massive part in our 9th place finish. The only games he missed were the first few before he signed and several games over Christmas when he was injured. Arnie was a great player for us, and was ridiculously under-appreciated by some of our fans. Your memory serves you poorly and you're the next to re-write! He played 30 league games - that's nowhere near being everpresent - and he scored just 4 goals - that's not a massive part even allowing for our traditional low scoring ways. The next season he played 29 and scored the amazing sum of 1 goal. He did however spring into life in his 3rd season which is after 2 years of extremely hard work by the management to get him to play for the team and not just himself. This was reflected in the 11 goals he scored, his best ever for us. You realise it was a 38 game season, he missed 8. Id class that as pretty much ever present. Every player misses a handful.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jan 10, 2019 21:10:57 GMT
Does anyone put a sell on clause these days for a 28 year old.
Sell on clauses always now seem to be from players that have come through the ranks of a club and want to help pay for their academies.
That's why we will have to pay Brum and Barca massive sell on clauses for Butland and Bojan.
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 10, 2019 21:36:21 GMT
Does anyone put a sell on clause these days for a 28 year old. Sell on clauses always now seem to be from players that have come through the ranks of a club and want to help pay for their academies. That's why we will have to pay Brum and Barca massive sell on clauses for Butland and Bojan. 50% for Bojan I heard? Proper clause that.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Jan 10, 2019 21:40:57 GMT
Does anyone put a sell on clause these days for a 28 year old. Sell on clauses always now seem to be from players that have come through the ranks of a club and want to help pay for their academies. That's why we will have to pay Brum and Barca massive sell on clauses for Butland and Bojan. 50% for Bojan I heard? Proper clause that. I thought Bojan was a free transfer ??
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Post by Davef on Jan 10, 2019 21:41:16 GMT
Does anyone put a sell on clause these days for a 28 year old. Sell on clauses always now seem to be from players that have come through the ranks of a club and want to help pay for their academies. That's why we will have to pay Brum and Barca massive sell on clauses for Butland and Bojan. 50% for Bojan I heard? Proper clause that. Where did you hear/read that?
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Post by DC1863 on Jan 10, 2019 21:42:28 GMT
50% for Bojan I heard? Proper clause that. Where did you hear/read that? To be honest with you I'm pretty sure it's on his contract on Football Manager, they're usually hot on with technical details like that but I may be wrong.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jan 10, 2019 21:45:30 GMT
50% for Bojan I heard? Proper clause that. Where did you hear/read that? 50% for Bojan was quoted on the day we bought him as we got him so cheap.
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Post by Davef on Jan 10, 2019 22:03:13 GMT
Where did you hear/read that? 50% for Bojan was quoted on the day we bought him as we got him so cheap. Can't say I remember that.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 10, 2019 22:39:25 GMT
You're the one re-writing history my friend. He was a virtual ever present in his first season and he played a massive part in our 9th place finish. The only games he missed were the first few before he signed and several games over Christmas when he was injured. Arnie was a great player for us, and was ridiculously under-appreciated by some of our fans. Your memory serves you poorly and you're the next to re-write! He played 30 league games - that's nowhere near being everpresent - and he scored just 4 goals - that's not a massive part even allowing for our traditional low scoring ways. The next season he played 29 and scored the amazing sum of 1 goal. He did however spring into life in his 3rd season which is after 2 years of extremely hard work by the management to get him to play for the team and not just himself. This was reflected in the 11 goals he scored, his best ever for us. I've said this a few times but it always seems to get ignored. For the first 10 or so games of his final season with us he was pretty average and nowhere near an automatic choice. I'm not saying I didn't rate him, but I don't rewrite history like many do! It's another one of those untruths like Bojan was terrible after the Rochdale injury.
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Post by Absolution on Jan 10, 2019 22:44:14 GMT
All I know is that I was gutted when he left us, I’m still gutted that he left us, and today’s news has given me a bit of a warm glow inside.
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 10, 2019 23:44:50 GMT
He’ll never change! Poor West Ham 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by markytcd on Jan 11, 2019 0:07:50 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 11, 2019 0:26:08 GMT
I don't see the problem, he's just trying to maximise his income, nothing wrong with that.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 11, 2019 1:28:49 GMT
Seems others have queried whether this is the case , I’ve no idea but it will no doubt become clear either way as local interest will call for it . Time will tell
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