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Post by FrankButcher on Jan 4, 2019 17:50:00 GMT
Nixon claiming there's still been no contact Very interesting. Links with the earlier information that the game tomorrow could have some bearing on the decision. I don't get how tomorrow's game can have an impact on rowetts future at all from rowetts press conference and interviews he sounded as if he knew he was a dead man walking from what Nixon has said we've not made contact with Moyes but hasn't mentioned anything about Allardyce either but he has stated from the people he spoke to within the club that they had expected the axe to have fallen by now. It's a bit up in the air! I hope they don't make the same mistake as last and not speak to any potential replacement beforehand 🤦♂️
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 17:55:10 GMT
I was led to believe that we approached Moyes before we employed Rowett and he turned us down. If that was indeed the case then what has changed (other than us now being worse than was perceived back in the summer) to make Moyes change his mind? The prem teams that'd want him have played their cards really. Fulham and Southampton already changed managers. Dyche, Benitez and Wagner have too much in the bank to validate sacking and Warnock is already over achieving at Cardiff, can't really see them getting rid of him either. If he wants to stay relevant he needs a job and we've shown we're willing to chuck money around and we have the bare bones of a decent team with Allen and Butland. Over riding all of that is our desperation, I imagine he'd be on a pretty tidy deal here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:05:55 GMT
18 months? why? Rowett has had barely half a season and many fans hate him already, why would it be any different for Moyes? Because they're starting from completely different positions. When Rowett started the season we were in an equal position to everybody else, whilst at the same time being clear favourites for promotion. Now we're in 14th position and are 20/1 outsiders. You can surely see that there's a bit of a difference? If he came in and ended up with a win ratio similar to that of Rowett he'd get exactly the same treatment, our fans expect too much too soon.
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 4, 2019 18:11:28 GMT
Moors would be ideal
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Post by potterenfrance on Jan 4, 2019 18:11:42 GMT
Moyes lol
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Post by sportsman on Jan 4, 2019 18:18:30 GMT
Nixon claiming there's still been no contact So he's rang moyes up personally and said Dave, anything on going stoke? Moyes says, no mate no heard a peep, because if I told you there had been and there was interest you'd be sticking it all over the paper and internet. I can't imagine, even if he had got his number and rang him saying, yes actually they have been in touch, just waiting for a fellow manager to fuck off first.
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2019 18:22:48 GMT
Everton league positions 15th 17th 14th 13th 16th 15th --Moyes takes over-- 7th 17th 4th 11th 6th 5th 5th 8th 7th 7th 6th 5th. Pre Moyes, I'm amazed they avoided relegation season after season. Hans Segers helped them out.
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2019 18:26:32 GMT
Moyes would be the perfect "steady the ship" appointment. Solid, hardworking and disciplined, both the man and his teams. He will not mouth off like Rowett, and is far more humble and reserved. We all know he has a decent CV and is close to the top of the pile of those managers we could realistically attract right now. I reckon we could all unite behind him, give him chance to turn things round and get us set for a proper promotion challenge next season. This internal strife must stop and if his appointment helps to do that, I am "in." Certainly not the impression I get Jezza. He's been known to take pops at his clubs and fans on occasion, hasn't he? And threaten to hit a woman reporter.
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Post by rawli on Jan 4, 2019 18:28:49 GMT
I can't see anything happening to any of them. Burnley, Cardiff, Hudders I think would all keep their manager if they went down. Southampton just had Hassenhutl, Fulham Ranieri, Castle won't get rid of Fat Raff, same for Palace. Someone on Twitter thought he might interest Everton if Silva goes, but I cannot see that happening at all. Again, as you say, Moyes isn't the 'sexy pick', and Everton have clearly tried to move to a sexier brand of football with Silvas appointment. I think Wagner's contract is up in the summer. He would be my choice an nows the time to check him out, but Coates seemingly will only appoint a British manager. It's an odd stance has he ever explained why? He hates foreigners.
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Post by palerider on Jan 4, 2019 18:33:48 GMT
Rowetts going nowhere unless we get beat tomorrow ,if we sneak a win,I can’t imagine he will be Given a lot to spend in this window, Guess we just write of the season and go again next one
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2019 18:34:10 GMT
Because they're starting from completely different positions. When Rowett started the season we were in an equal position to everybody else, whilst at the same time being clear favourites for promotion. Now we're in 14th position and are 20/1 outsiders. You can surely see that there's a bit of a difference? If he came in and ended up with a win ratio similar to that of Rowett he'd get exactly the same treatment, our fans expect too much too soon. Is it expecting too much to field more than one creative player in the side? Or actually threaten reasonably regularly against the worst sides in the league? Or to not take off your attacking players away from home against dross like Reading?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 4, 2019 18:40:51 GMT
Will we ever move on from the pre-historic times?
Jesus wept. One dinosaur to another.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 18:43:08 GMT
Rowetts going nowhere unless we get beat tomorrow ,if we sneak a win,I can’t imagine he will be Given a lot to spend in this window, Guess we just write of the season and go again next one Incorrect.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 4, 2019 18:54:14 GMT
Rowetts going nowhere unless we get beat tomorrow ,if we sneak a win,I can’t imagine he will be Given a lot to spend in this window, Guess we just write of the season and go again next one Incorrect. My God I hope you're right! In my opinion he should have been sacked on Saturday after another tedious and gutless display! Rowett OUT!!!
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jan 4, 2019 18:56:30 GMT
Because they're starting from completely different positions. When Rowett started the season we were in an equal position to everybody else, whilst at the same time being clear favourites for promotion. Now we're in 14th position and are 20/1 outsiders. You can surely see that there's a bit of a difference? If he came in and ended up with a win ratio similar to that of Rowett he'd get exactly the same treatment, our fans expect too much too soon. I'd give up on this one Paul
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 4, 2019 18:59:25 GMT
Big Sam = promotion Moyes = stagnation You don't know that though, do you? Are you just after Big Sam because he reminds you of a fat Tony Pulis?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 4, 2019 19:00:07 GMT
My worry would be the Leicester job. I don’t think Puel is safe There are always rumblings about Puel whenever there's a bad result; he's well-respected but not well-loved around these parts. I would love Puel here.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 4, 2019 19:00:16 GMT
Pre Moyes, I'm amazed they avoided relegation season after season. Hans Segers helped them out. I'm not sure how many people will get that but it made me laugh
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2019 19:02:15 GMT
Because they're starting from completely different positions. When Rowett started the season we were in an equal position to everybody else, whilst at the same time being clear favourites for promotion. Now we're in 14th position and are 20/1 outsiders. You can surely see that there's a bit of a difference? If he came in and ended up with a win ratio similar to that of Rowett he'd get exactly the same treatment, our fans expect too much too soon. You're missing the point I made originally. At the start of the season, Coates said that he would regard finishing outside of the top six, this term, as nothing but a failure. He's not going to now set that same bar for Moyes THIS season.
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Post by Pirate on Jan 4, 2019 19:08:22 GMT
If he came in and ended up with a win ratio similar to that of Rowett he'd get exactly the same treatment, our fans expect too much too soon. You're missing the point I made originally. At the start of the season, Coates said that he would regard finishing outside of the top six, this term, as nothing but a failure. He's not going to now set that bar for Moyes THIS season. Correct, he basically gets a free pass for 20 games & imo he would struggle to not improve our results & performances anyway
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2019 19:18:05 GMT
If he came in and ended up with a win ratio similar to that of Rowett he'd get exactly the same treatment, our fans expect too much too soon. I'd give up on this one Paul Didn't see this until after I just posted above. On reflection, I think that's some good advice!
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Post by magwitch on Jan 4, 2019 19:21:37 GMT
This looks like a repetition of last season to me with the decision whether or not to replace the manager based on the result of one game. If the game is lost, a new manager is brought in which may take a couple of weeks. Then the new man has virtually no time left in the transfer window to bring in any players to strengthen the team. Yet lessons have been learnt we are told. Have they? Southampton had rather different ideas on how to deal with Mark Hughes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 4, 2019 20:29:50 GMT
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Post by amathus on Jan 4, 2019 20:35:02 GMT
Surely signals that we're talking to candidates
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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2019 20:38:13 GMT
Was under impression Wednesday fans, eventually,were unhappy because his football was too cautious? If we want attacking,pleasing to the eye football then Jokanovic is the man
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 4, 2019 20:39:37 GMT
Was under impression Wednesday fans, eventually,were unhappy because his football was too cautious? If we want attacking,pleasing to the eye football then Jokanovic is the man Yep - the Carvalhal mention is utterly bizarre. Almost too bizarre not to have a smidgen of truth about it? If we're prepared to go all exotic (by our standards), got to be Jokanovic, hasn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 20:40:01 GMT
Don’t believe that at all.
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Post by neddy on Jan 4, 2019 20:40:46 GMT
Was under impression Wednesday fans, eventually,were unhappy because his football was too cautious? If we want attacking,pleasing to the eye football then Jokanovic is the man Yep - the Carvalhal is utterly bizarre. Almost too bizarre not to have a smidgen of truth about it? If we're prepared to go all exotic (by our standards), got to be Jokanovic, hasn't it? Personally would stick with Moyes if he’ll come...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 20:42:15 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 4, 2019 20:44:17 GMT
Don’t believe that at all. Me neither. Has to be bollocks. But as Grapey says, it's so bizzarre, that it almost makes you think that there must be some truth to it. I still think it's just made up Sun garbage though.
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