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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 4, 2019 14:30:57 GMT
I was led to believe that we approached Moyes before we employed Rowett and he turned us down. If that was indeed the case then what has changed (other than us now being worse than was perceived back in the summer) to make Moyes change his mind? Probably holding on for a Premier League job, no one has blinked aside from Fulham who evidently had Ranieri lined up before Jokanovic's sacking. It's now January and still no club is blinking. Can see Stoke as his project to rebuild on. If he can get us promoted and build a steady base if we get back up then it's a job well done I say. Looking at the possible Prem sackings, we've got to be in with a shot this time. www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1059655/David-Moyes-exclusive-interview-West-Ham-Manchester-UnitedMoyes "mad keen" on return to management
I was surprised he didn't bite in the summer as he's never going to be a sexy pick to sell to anyone but the unfashionable fanbases. Palace (not going to get rid of Roy any time soon. If they did, would definitely not be on the list) Newcastle (no chance of him getting it) Burnley (Dyche going nowhere. If there was a change, you could see it, but no hint of anything at all imminent there and they'd probably keep him if they went down) Cardiff (Warnock going nowhere - but possibly if there was a change) Soton (no chance) Fulham (no chance) Hudders (Wagner going nowhere, would probably even keep him if relegated. If they changed, his appointment showed they're quite imaginative) Surely we're about as good as it'll get for him any time soon?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 4, 2019 14:32:22 GMT
Moyes. The board's no.1 choice.
I despair. Why exactly? Dour. Uninspiring. Dinosaurial. Past sell by.
Any more?
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Post by callas12 on Jan 4, 2019 14:34:30 GMT
Dour. Uninspiring. Dinosaurial. Past sell by.
Any more?
Moyes has been mooted by the board & is likely there No1 target but isn't necessarily ticking all the right boxes for them. Financial issues being the main stumbling block.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jan 4, 2019 14:36:32 GMT
As an aside to all the speculation, I’ve never felt as comfortable at a Stoke game as I did during that playoff final. Brentford may as well have not turned up. After the madness at Ninian, we were invincible!
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Post by jontimmis on Jan 4, 2019 14:36:39 GMT
Dour. Uninspiring. Dinosaurial. Past sell by.
Any more?
Moyes has been mooted by the board & is likely there No1 target but isn't necessarily ticking all the right boxes for them. Financial issues being the main stumbling block. How do you know this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 14:39:27 GMT
IMHO Moyes would be a good choice as Director of Football, being “directly” responsible to the family. If they wish to retain the services of Cartwright make him report directly to his local job centre. Fixed it for you.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 4, 2019 14:40:44 GMT
Why Tony Scholes has any input whatsoever in footballing decisions is at the heart of the matter. The only input at all should be to agree a contract and salary. He has no footballing credentials in any capacity. I wouldn't let him sort out the contract details either. The Coates family are probably the ones (if it's true) trying to get him. Can you imagine, right Tony, David is on board, we have had a good chat about where we want to be, what we can offer, Can you sort the contract out. Right David, 2 million a year, ok Sorry Tony, I want 2.5 million. Ooh, but we can't offer that. It's 2 million I'm afraid OK Tony thanks but no thanks, best of luck Sorry Peter, David won't be joining us, he wanted an extra 500k. Not to worry, can we go get Ian Holloway. Insert any player a manager has wanted in the last few years rather than Moyes and you're bob on.
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 4, 2019 14:41:37 GMT
If Bojan ups his game , but it’s been years since he’s been any good , the one thing Rowett has got right
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Post by cbwhu on Jan 4, 2019 14:42:09 GMT
What system did he play at West Ham? 442? Played 3 at the back most of the time, didn't he? A 3-4-2-1 with Arnie up top when he had the chance. yes was't just Arnie he moved around either, played Cresswell as a CB at times which worked better than I thought
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 14:43:07 GMT
Alan Pardew is available. #CarefullWhatYouWishFor
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 4, 2019 14:43:17 GMT
Probably holding on for a Premier League job, no one has blinked aside from Fulham who evidently had Ranieri lined up before Jokanovic's sacking. It's now January and still no club is blinking. Can see Stoke as his project to rebuild on. If he can get us promoted and build a steady base if we get back up then it's a job well done I say. Looking at the possible Prem sackings, we've got to be in with a shot this time. www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1059655/David-Moyes-exclusive-interview-West-Ham-Manchester-UnitedMoyes "mad keen" on return to management
I was surprised he didn't bite in the summer as he's never going to be a sexy pick to sell to anyone but the unfashionable fanbases. Palace (not going to get rid of Roy any time soon. If they did, would definitely not be on the list) Newcastle (no chance of him getting it) Burnley (Dyche going nowhere. If there was a change, you could see it, but no hint of anything at all imminent there and they'd probably keep him if they went down) Cardiff (Warnock going nowhere - but possibly if there was a change) Soton (no chance) Fulham (no chance) Hudders (Wagner going nowhere, would probably even keep him if relegated. If they changed, his appointment showed they're quite imaginative) Surely we're about as good as it'll get for him any time soon? I can't see anything happening to any of them. Burnley, Cardiff, Hudders I think would all keep their manager if they went down. Southampton just had Hassenhutl, Fulham Ranieri, Castle won't get rid of Fat Raff, same for Palace. Someone on Twitter thought he might interest Everton if Silva goes, but I cannot see that happening at all. Again, as you say, Moyes isn't the 'sexy pick', and Everton have clearly tried to move to a sexier brand of football with Silvas appointment.
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 4, 2019 14:47:17 GMT
Looking at the possible Prem sackings, we've got to be in with a shot this time. www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1059655/David-Moyes-exclusive-interview-West-Ham-Manchester-UnitedMoyes "mad keen" on return to management
I was surprised he didn't bite in the summer as he's never going to be a sexy pick to sell to anyone but the unfashionable fanbases. Palace (not going to get rid of Roy any time soon. If they did, would definitely not be on the list) Newcastle (no chance of him getting it) Burnley (Dyche going nowhere. If there was a change, you could see it, but no hint of anything at all imminent there and they'd probably keep him if they went down) Cardiff (Warnock going nowhere - but possibly if there was a change) Soton (no chance) Fulham (no chance) Hudders (Wagner going nowhere, would probably even keep him if relegated. If they changed, his appointment showed they're quite imaginative) Surely we're about as good as it'll get for him any time soon? I can't see anything happening to any of them. Burnley, Cardiff, Hudders I think would all keep their manager if they went down. Southampton just had Hassenhutl, Fulham Ranieri, Castle won't get rid of Fat Raff, same for Palace. Someone on Twitter thought he might interest Everton if Silva goes, but I cannot see that happening at all. Again, as you say, Moyes isn't the 'sexy pick', and Everton have clearly tried to move to a sexier brand of football with Silvas appointment. I think Wagner's contract is up in the summer. He would be my choice an nows the time to check him out, but Coates seemingly will only appoint a British manager. It's an odd stance has he ever explained why?
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Post by marrer on Jan 4, 2019 14:50:30 GMT
Wouldn’t be my choice of the three. That poll reflects that as well. But still better than Rowett. Anything is better than Hughes. Oops, sorry Lambert doh, no I mean Rowett Sorry I really am losing the plot here... Moyes. Moyes Out Now...anything's better than Moyes.... We need a poll...and a riot... What do we want? Something Else! When do we want it? Now...ideally before it's actually happened! Why do we want it? Because we deserve better. Even if we don't have a clue as to what would actually be better. And we won't like it anyway.... Like it. But more importantly what the bloody hell does your name mean?
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Post by callas12 on Jan 4, 2019 14:50:42 GMT
Moyes has been mooted by the board & is likely there No1 target but isn't necessarily ticking all the right boxes for them. Financial issues being the main stumbling block. How do you know this? It's what I've heard from someone I trust. I'd PM'd a few trusted regular posters on here when initially heard about the interest in Moyes before the press started printing the link to him. & it was about the same time as Cilla had first mentioned him on here to so I'm guessing he may have heard whisperings at that time too. What I'm not sure of is if the financial issues are with regards to his own wages etc or demands for transfer spends etc. Possibly be both.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 4, 2019 14:52:30 GMT
Dour. Uninspiring. Dinosaurial. Past sell by.
Any more?
Moyes has been mooted by the board & is likely there No1 target but isn't necessarily ticking all the right boxes for them. Financial issues being the main stumbling block. Yes, I stopped before also adding 'greedy', 'arrogant' and 'full of his own self importance'.
To me, he would just be a boring sticking plaster over the many structural issues involved.
Aside from not being my cuppa in footballing terms, he will just stagnate us for ano however long he lasts before everyone realises he's really not all that.
We need to grasp the nettle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 14:53:59 GMT
I just want the Board to get on with it now. I would have preferred Sam initially but having since looked at Moyes' CV it's not at all bad on the whole.
Get Rowett and his cronies out and get Moyes in ASAP to hopefully give us a possible chance of the play-offs. If he doesn't do it this year then he's had a good few months to properly assess the squad before the summer window and then we can have a right good go at promotion next season.
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Post by Northy on Jan 4, 2019 14:58:24 GMT
Also we never learn you know a call kw to Sam like O’Neil is met with I don’t do second choices can you repeat it in English please Benji ?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 4, 2019 15:04:06 GMT
If we are so keen now, why didn’t we go and get him in the summer? If we did and he refused, what has changed? If anything it’s a worse proposition.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 4, 2019 15:08:40 GMT
Also we never learn you know a call kw to Sam like O’Neil is met with I don’t do second choices can you repeat it in English please Benji ? Think he means if we don't get moyes or he fucks us around that if we try get allardyce after he'll tell us to do one, like o'neill did! 🤞🤞
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 15:08:52 GMT
If we are so keen now, why didn’t we go and get him in the summer? If we did and he refused, what has changed? If anything it’s a worse proposition. Do managers think like that? In the summer he was probably waiting for a Premier League job that will probably never come now. Put yourself in his shoes. He did a great job at West Ham and you wouldn't rush to drop out of the Premier League would you? If the choice is now drop down or stay at home, you'd probably now play the odds and drop. As for the job, he'd probably look at a club desperate to get promotion, is currently at it's possible lowest ebb right now and that the only way is up, with a decent backing. If I was Moyes, I'd rip Coates's arms right out of it's sockets and dance a jig down the M6. They make mistakes and have made critical errors over the last few years but they are still fabulous owners to work for. They back their managers to the hilt.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 4, 2019 15:10:36 GMT
If we are so keen now, why didn’t we go and get him in the summer? If we did and he refused, what has changed? If anything it’s a worse proposition. You would (correctly) imagine that his stock has fallen even lower than ours.
He was a port in the storm for WHU, not some messiah as he seemed to think, single-handedly reinventing the beautiful game in East London.
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Post by Northy on Jan 4, 2019 15:10:46 GMT
If we are so keen now, why didn’t we go and get him in the summer? If we did and he refused, what has changed? If anything it’s a worse proposition. I think it was only 5 days after wet sham released moyes and us announcing Rowett, negotiations would have been well down the line by then.
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Post by Northy on Jan 4, 2019 15:13:18 GMT
I thought he did a really good job at West Ham last season and was unlucky not to be kept on. he also spotted what 20k Stokies had been saying for years and played Arnie as a striker not a winger. Maybe not revolutionary but certainly evolutionary. only got a 28% win rate with them though, we will need something a lot better to keep us up
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 4, 2019 15:18:37 GMT
Anything is better than Hughes. Oops, sorry Lambert doh, no I mean Rowett Sorry I really am losing the plot here... Moyes. Moyes Out Now...anything's better than Moyes.... We need a poll...and a riot... What do we want? Something Else! When do we want it? Now...ideally before it's actually happened! Why do we want it? Because we deserve better. Even if we don't have a clue as to what would actually be better. And we won't like it anyway.... Like it. But more importantly what the bloody hell does your name mean? Think you will find Marrer is a Cumbrian name for a mate/pal.
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Post by badger on Jan 4, 2019 15:19:21 GMT
If we are so keen now, why didn’t we go and get him in the summer? If we did and he refused, what has changed? If anything it’s a worse proposition. My view is he’s a project / building manager, he’s doesn’t come across as a parachute in for Dec onwards to save a team like Palace & West Brom did with Pulis or Sunderland did with Allardyce. But to your point doesn’t explain why he maybe wasn’t interested in the summer. If we got Everton Moyes then I think we go places, Coates is a similar Chairman / Owner to what Kenwright was. Always came across as decent, made money available, family feel etc. If we got Sociedad or Sunderland Moyes then maybe the shine comes off a touch.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jan 4, 2019 15:23:18 GMT
Scholes and Moyes are best mates from the time at Preston, also neighbours I believe. They were at Preston together for two years nearly twenty years ago. And I'd put good money on you - like me - having absolutely no idea where either of them live. He’s very good friends with Tony Scholes, that I know.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 4, 2019 15:27:59 GMT
I can't see anything happening to any of them. Burnley, Cardiff, Hudders I think would all keep their manager if they went down. Southampton just had Hassenhutl, Fulham Ranieri, Castle won't get rid of Fat Raff, same for Palace. Someone on Twitter thought he might interest Everton if Silva goes, but I cannot see that happening at all. Again, as you say, Moyes isn't the 'sexy pick', and Everton have clearly tried to move to a sexier brand of football with Silvas appointment. I think Wagner's contract is up in the summer. He would be my choice an nows the time to check him out, but Coates seemingly will only appoint a British manager. It's an odd stance has he ever explained why? Wagner signed a new 3 year deal in the summer. www.htafc.com/news/2018/may/wagner-buhler--hughes-agree-extended-contracts/
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Post by nott1 on Jan 4, 2019 15:29:44 GMT
That is literally all you give a fuck about, he will play the team he thinks will get the best results. Good that's why he will play him then!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 4, 2019 15:32:58 GMT
If Bojan ups his game , but it’s been years since he’s been any good , the one thing Rowett has got right He's got nowt right which is why he's getting the sack!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 4, 2019 15:37:51 GMT
It's what I've heard from someone I trust. I'd PM'd a few trusted regular posters on here when initially heard about the interest in Moyes before the press started printing the link to him. & it was about the same time as Cilla had first mentioned him on here to so I'm guessing he may have heard whisperings at that time too. What I'm not sure of is if the financial issues are with regards to his own wages etc or demands for transfer spends etc. Possibly be both. Wow a new ITK just like DV. You are the new go to man!
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