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Post by cheshirepotter on Dec 30, 2018 9:25:55 GMT
Anyone who has watched us this season and still wants him in charge should never be allowed near a football stadium again. The only reason i can think of is that success and being favourites scares them, they miss being the underdog, the plucky Stoke reputation that we had, scrapping a win and seeing it as a huge success. I think thats a big problem. The expectation is too high perhaps? Tough league, a culture of failure and defeat habit to turn around? SGS Fully agree (re expectations being high). I’m not bringing up Pulis’ name for any other reason than to mention the fact is, only under him have we got ourselves up into the top flight in the last 30+ years. Granted Hughes kept us there for a while but he had started cutting the legs from our seat at the table long, long before he was sacked. Other than that we have been second and third flight contenders for a long time. This is not a quick job....
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 30, 2018 9:27:04 GMT
Doesn't admit his mistakes in public, neither does wenger. terrible managers Funny though that at this moment in time Wenger, mourhino & conte are all signing on. Wonder what odds you would have got on that
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 30, 2018 9:34:01 GMT
I think thats a big problem. The expectation is too high perhaps? Tough league, a culture of failure and defeat habit to turn around? SGS Fully agree (re expectations being high). I’m not bringing up Pulis’ name for any other reason than to mention the fact is, only under him have we got ourselves up into the top flight in the last 30+ years. Granted Hughes kept us there for a while but he had started cutting the legs from our seat at the table long, long before he was sacked. Other than that we have been second and third flight contenders for a long time. This is not a quick job.... I get the whole expectations thing and I never expected it to be easy, nor for us to go up. What I don’t understand is the intentions or aims of the manager. There is no discernible pattern to how we play nor the basic green shoots that you can say “I see what he’s trying to do”. At least you could hope for the future once he gets it right. The bloke is clueless and enough time and money has been wasted. We aren’t going up this year, but can anyone confidently say we will next season if he’s still in charge? That’s the question and one that can only be answered with an unequivical no. Get rid now before we lose fans too.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 30, 2018 9:34:06 GMT
I think thats a big problem. The expectation is too high perhaps? Tough league, a culture of failure and defeat habit to turn around? SGS Fully agree (re expectations being high). I’m not bringing up Pulis’ name for any other reason than to mention the fact is, only under him have we got ourselves up into the top flight in the last 30+ years. Granted Hughes kept us there for a while but he had started cutting the legs from our seat at the table long, long before he was sacked. Other than that we have been second and third flight contenders for a long time. This is not a quick job.... We’ve moved on from Wright’s pies and have morphed into the Prawn Sandwich brigade.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 30, 2018 9:50:16 GMT
In the unlikely event that Rowett did leave at the end of the season we need to implement a style of football & philosophy that we intend to stick with. We have lost our identity which was pulis' football and never replaced it.
We could do a lot worse than go down the ex player of Man Utd route, geography might entice a few of them. players that intend to implement that style and philosophy.
Man Utd played some of the best football I have ever seen under Alex Ferguson. You're also guaranteed to be first in line to get a few loans you wouldn't normally be in the running for.
Neville & scholes?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2018 9:53:10 GMT
In the unlikely event that Rowett did leave at the end of the season we need to implement a style of football & philosophy that we intend to stick with. We have lost our identity which was pulis' football and never replaced it. We could do a lot worse than go down the ex player of Man Utd route, players that intend to implement that style and philosophy. Man Utd played some of the best football I have ever seen under Alex Ferguson. Neville & scholes? Mark Hughes played under Fergie. So did Paul Ince. So did Ryan Giggs. Don’t think it’s necessarily automatically transmitted...
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 30, 2018 9:54:04 GMT
In the unlikely event that Rowett did leave at the end of the season we need to implement a style of football & philosophy that we intend to stick with. We have lost our identity which was pulis' football and never replaced it. We could do a lot worse than go down the ex player of Man Utd route, players that intend to implement that style and philosophy. Man Utd played some of the best football I have ever seen under Alex Ferguson. Neville & scholes? Mark Hughes played under Fergie. So did Paul Ince. So did Ryan Giggs. Don’t think it’s necessarily automatically transmitted... Very true
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 30, 2018 9:56:30 GMT
I’d like a Jose Andrade/ Ze de Angola dream team.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 30, 2018 10:07:18 GMT
In the unlikely event that Rowett did leave at the end of the season we need to implement a style of football & philosophy that we intend to stick with. We have lost our identity which was pulis' football and never replaced it. We could do a lot worse than go down the ex player of Man Utd route, players that intend to implement that style and philosophy. Man Utd played some of the best football I have ever seen under Alex Ferguson. Neville & scholes? Mark Hughes played under Fergie. So did Paul Ince. So did Ryan Giggs. Don’t think it’s necessarily automatically transmitted... Neville though I'd like to see given a shot in English football, he is tactically aware & knowledgeable. I think he dropped a bollock taking on his first job in a foreign country with a foreign language, new culture etc. It was like the juande ramos situ at spurs... it was just a bad move all around...
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Post by tony1234 on Dec 30, 2018 10:13:21 GMT
Doesnt matter who is manager with this lot. Our collection of players - good, bad and indifferent- doesn't have enough creativity and goal-scoring in it to be a serious challenger for promotion. The dye was cast around June-July time with decisions then. The reason we don't is because the club's reaction to conceding too many defeats under Hughes was to entrench with defensive formations and an ethos of damage limitation. This manifested itself in the mindset entering the transfer window. Good that we got Ince and Afobe, in the main, but was accompanied by steady players - ex PL "pros" (Williams, Cuco) and solid industrious sorts (Clucas, Woods, Maclean).
We lack a creative attacker, the players with pace and guile for a 3-4 pronged attack, a set piece taker, a change from the bench and - thus - strategies to regularly score goals.
In any game, any team will attack and be attacked. You can't stop teams attacking you - so the way to win more than you lose is to have the players in your armoury that make your attacks more effective than your opponents'. Short of Ince and Afobe (who have the ability to be top performers in this league, as proven, but the team tactics and systems are not set up to help), we aint got em. I'd look for a physical second striker personally.
If we really want a second half of the season different from the first - then its a case of seeing 2 attackers enter the club in Jan: the first is a wide attacker with pace and who can take set pieces and who can score goals; the second is another striker.
e.g. For the wide attacker, see Barnes / Wilson types: Perhaps - Callum Robinson (Preston), Watkins (Brentford), Calvert-Lewin (loan from Everton), Ibe or Fraser (loan from Bournemouth); Snodgrass (loan, WHU), Bowen (Hull), Markovic (Liv loan) - or leftfield, Forrest (Celtic), Diaz (MC, loan) For second striker: Vokes, Okazaki (loan), Che Evans, Nuhiu (Shef Wed), Ulloa (loan, Leicester), Niasse (Everton, loan), Vydra. Leftfield: Origi (loan)
Both of these - if they are integrated well - play offs. If not, my bet remains 9th-14th still.
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Post by peekay67 on Dec 30, 2018 10:18:10 GMT
Who would have thought Darren Moore at WBA would be a good progressive manager ?
We need someone young, vibrant who the fans can unite behind. They are out there. Find them.
Moore, Lampard hit the ground okay.
In house person would be like Christmas.
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Post by neilb987 on Dec 30, 2018 10:20:56 GMT
Wonder if there are any other managers from the same 'stable' that the Wolves manager came from?
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Post by Gods on Dec 30, 2018 10:32:08 GMT
Mark 'Sparky' Hughes back as caretaker to the end of the season?
He knows the club and the players so would hit the ground running.
If he takes us all the way to the play-off offer him a long term contract, if he doesn't have a proper look in the summer.
It would bring a 'swagger' back to the place and likely draw a line under the plethora of draws that have been killing us.
It would be a shot to nothing but perhaps the best play we have left?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2018 10:35:44 GMT
Mark Hughes played under Fergie. So did Paul Ince. So did Ryan Giggs. Don’t think it’s necessarily automatically transmitted... Neville though I'd like to see given a shot in English football, he is tactically aware & knowledgeable. I think he dropped a bollock taking on his first job in a foreign country with a foreign language, new culture etc. It was like the juande ramos situ at spurs... it was just a bad move all around... I agree it’s harsh to judge him on Valencia - that was a poisoned chalice and no gig for a rookie. I don’t think this job necessarily is either. Neville talks a good game but there’s a lot more to management than that. He may well make a good manager one day, I’d just be a bit nervous about it. A calculated risk on a progressive up and comer (or Jokanovic) would be my preference.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2018 10:36:58 GMT
Mark 'Sparky' Hughes back as caretaker to the end of the season? He knows the club and the players so would hit the ground running. If he takes us all the way to the play-off offer him a long term contract, if he doesn't have a proper look in the summer. It would bring a 'swagger' back to the place and likely draw a line under the plethora of draws that have been killing us. It would be a shot to nothing but perhaps the best play we have left? Go home Gods, you’re drunk.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2018 10:39:01 GMT
In the unlikely event that Rowett did leave at the end of the season we need to implement a style of football & philosophy that we intend to stick with. We have lost our identity which was pulis' football and never replaced it. We could do a lot worse than go down the ex player of Man Utd route, geography might entice a few of them. players that intend to implement that style and philosophy. Man Utd played some of the best football I have ever seen under Alex Ferguson. You're also guaranteed to be first in line to get a few loans you wouldn't normally be in the running for. Neville & scholes? Posh n Becks 😎
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Post by RAF on Dec 30, 2018 10:40:15 GMT
Realistically we all know he is going nowhere this season don't we in our heart of hearts? Doesn't matter if you vote with your feet because your money means fuck all anymore, you can't appeal to the Chairman/CEO as they don't give a fuck what you think. Hang on tight as this bloke will be with us for the foreseeable!
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2018 12:35:34 GMT
Realistically we all know he is going nowhere this season don't we in our heart of hearts? Doesn't matter if you vote with your feet because your money means fuck all anymore, you can't appeal to the Chairman/CEO as they don't give a fuck what you think. Hang on tight as this bloke will be with us for the foreseeable! H I use to like you RAF 😎
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Post by thevoid on Dec 30, 2018 13:12:44 GMT
You’re not slating Rowett Out posters left right and center tonight SGS, what’s happened you fallen into that camp too 😂 Never wanted hm out. Dont want him out. Name me a genuine, realistic and better alternative SGS I'm not surprised you like Clownett, he's a petulant fop just like yourself. And to answer your question, Jokanovic.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2018 13:16:14 GMT
Realistically we all know he is going nowhere this season don't we in our heart of hearts? Doesn't matter if you vote with your feet because your money means fuck all anymore, you can't appeal to the Chairman/CEO as they don't give a fuck what you think. Hang on tight as this bloke will be with us for the foreseeable! H He won’t survive to the end of the season if the crowd wants him out, unless results improve dramatically.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 30, 2018 13:16:50 GMT
Poor footballer now but I actually think Fletcher could make a good manager. Talks well and obviously Fergie saw a lot in him. Also Michael Carrick seems intelligent and was on the Man U shortlist.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 30, 2018 13:19:58 GMT
Poor footballer now but I actually think Fletcher could make a good manager. Talks well and obviously Fergie saw a lot in him. Also Michael Carrick seems intelligent and was on the Man U shortlist. You southern Manc gloryhunters all the same 😎
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Post by march4 on Dec 30, 2018 14:00:08 GMT
Would we find it easier to bring in a new manager if Cartwright and Scholes were sent packing with Rowett?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2018 14:01:17 GMT
Would we find it easier to bring in a new manager if Cartwright and Scholes were sent packing with Rowett? The people who make the appointments both have the surname ‘Coates’.
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 30, 2018 14:01:44 GMT
Ludicrous suggestion
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Post by march4 on Dec 30, 2018 14:04:43 GMT
Would we find it easier to bring in a new manager if Cartwright and Scholes were sent packing with Rowett? The people who make the appointments both have the surname ‘Coates’. Hasn’t Uncle Peter been taking more of a back seat recently? However like any doting father I expect he will always back his son in public.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 30, 2018 14:06:40 GMT
The people who make the appointments both have the surname ‘Coates’. Hasn’t Uncle Peter been taking more of a back seat recently? However like any doting father I expect he will always back his son in public. This might bring him roaring back to take the reins, but either way the next bloke is likely to be some form of tedious pragmatist.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 30, 2018 14:11:22 GMT
Would we find it easier to bring in a new manager if Cartwright and Scholes were sent packing with Rowett? Not sure how that would affect a decision that will be taken by the owners, but if anyone can explain what Cartwright actually does I'd be grateful.
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