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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 27, 2018 10:11:18 GMT
Of the current squad he is the fourth best I have seen at RB.
He makes Diouf look like Phili Lahm.
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Post by nik80 on Dec 27, 2018 10:15:12 GMT
Fullback’s not a fucking after thought position, it’s specialused and necessary. Pieters is okay, (just okay) but we’ve been crying out to strengthen here for years. Pulis used to fuck about with fullbacks too but he was 100x the defensive coach Rowett is proving to be. I know I keep banging the Edwards drum but this whole Martina saga highlights what an arsewipe Rowett is acting like for me. Martina’s his man, yes I get it, he wants to justify his tactical nouse by playing him, he’s going to live by the sword and die by the sword in this decision but for me, that’s a bold, arrogant and pigheaded attitude to have when managing a wealthy Stoke team. Edwards is young and bound to make mistakes but he’s got shown potential to be a fine footballer. Since coming here, Martina’s shown fuck all to suggest games will improve him. I’d fuck him off in a flash, truth be told, yet Rowett bombed Edwards out of the side for a slightly off performance vs QPR, personally I felt Bruno and McClean were at fault for the goals in that game but that’s another matter. Point is Rowett plays Martina week in, week out and he’s consistently bad, not our man and shows no sign of getting better. This situation and Bojan not making the bench alone put the manager in a questionable light, that’s not even taking performances into consideration. I know what will happen though, Rowett thinks we’re stupid, he’ll put Edwards in for a game or two, wait for him to make a mistake then reinstate his favoured player to make countless mistakes for weeks on end again. This Martina carry on epitomises what’s wrong with Rowett’s management for me. I’m sure he’ll be dropped for Bolton but Rowett will be looking for the first opportunity to get “his man” back in the side. The pair of them (Rowett and Martina) are no fucking good. I’ve watched stoke for over 45 years I’ve seen worse than Martina but with our wealth now he must rank in the top ten shit footballers ever to wear a stoke shirt It isn’t even the lad himself so much, it’s the arsewipe Rowett’s insistance on playing someone who should be third choice at best, if he has to be at the club at all.
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Post by marrer on Dec 27, 2018 10:17:29 GMT
But without bollocks, how good would the wank be?
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 27, 2018 10:20:25 GMT
How many poor games does Martina have to have before he's dropped? Bauer had two and he was never to be seen again.
Thing I hate most about Rowett is how he has his favourites and is too stubborn to ever change. If he'd been picking his team on merit there's no way Martina or McClean would have had half as many starts, yet we've squandered loads of points persisting with them so Rowett can try and prove a point.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 27, 2018 10:51:06 GMT
Martina out, Bauer in! McClean out, Etebo in! ..................Butland.................. Bauer...Shawcross........Indi.......Pieters ..................Woods................... .........Allen............Etebo........... Ince..............Diouf.............Clucas I know a lot of people would say that picking Diouf is madness, but is it? In my opinion he is a typical Championship striker, and can he really do much worse than Berahino and Afobe? At least Diouf will win a lot of headers, he will chase anything and he will score goals at this level. You could say he misses too many easy chances, but at least he gets into scoring positions. I think he certainly is worth a go for some games to show his value to the team. If it doesn't work out, well, the other options haven't either.
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Post by AlliG on Dec 27, 2018 12:51:28 GMT
Can’t head it, can’t cross it, not brave in the tackle, shocking throw ins (that little run up then coming to a full stop ffs!) and poor positional awareness if you can look past that, what’s not to like!! You also forgot to mention that his first touch usually controls the ball 3 or 4 feet into the air. Another thing I noticed against Millwall was the number of times we lost the ball when he was up the pitch and he just ambled back like Glen Johnson on Horlicks. There was one occasion in the 2nd half when Millwall broke away down their left, the attack broke down, the ball was moved across the edge of our penalty area to their right wing where we eventually cleared the ball. Meanwhile Martina had still only just about crossed the half way line.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 27, 2018 13:39:10 GMT
What can he actually do? For a full back he’s not brave, not quick, not good in the air, not good with the ball, not good at stopping crosses and not good at defending the back post. Based on that, I can only presume that Rowett plays him for his well weighted throw ins.
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Post by santy on Dec 27, 2018 13:46:17 GMT
In some ways I feel sorry for him, because it seems like he's been coached down a niche that on paper sounds like what you need but without any real effect to it.
He always makes the overlapping run, he frequently tries to present himself as a passing option, he always tries to retain possession of the ball and not waste it.
- The problem is his overlapping runs are entirely on rails, they're rarely about trying to break through the back line but rather only serve to move the one player who is covering that space a few yards to be nearer to him. He never seems to run inside on the "underlap" as its called, so its very one dimensional. - He almost always has to check back onto his left foot because there's no momentum in most instances to take the ball forward and beat a man. - He's become so focused on retaining the ball and just making a pass back to a team mate at all costs its largely irrelevant if that pass puts more pressure on the team - so long as he successfully passes it in some way is deemed useful/good.
He very much looks to me like he's ultimately a player who's been coached to play by metrics, and this is what he just does now rather than anything instinctive or fluid.
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Post by mrred on Dec 27, 2018 13:50:03 GMT
I can only assume that he's got some rather compromising Polaroids of Rowett from the 80's as to the reason he keeps getting picked. He's absolutely wank. Saints fans thought he was toss there. Everton were laughing their tits off that we signed him. Just what the fuck is he doing here when we've got a golden opportunity to make sure Tom Edwards develops?
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Post by tesco on Dec 27, 2018 14:35:20 GMT
This is what you get with a Caribbean fullback. He loves to play at home in a safe environment, away from home like today he shows up cold, not caring and just nightmarishly poor. Should be a rotation player, not a starter. You can say the opposite for Edwards. Shouldn't start at home, only away. The problem is we haven't that "starter" for Edwards to work with and learn from. We thought we did in Bauer who was great in the PL but he's disappeared like a mafia hit by Rowetts henchmen and this whole sideshow is coming back to bite us as a poor decision to completely ostracize him not even attempting to use him again. The amount of revisiting Pieters should let the most ardent Stoke fan realize players can turn it around but ostracizing them to not even being a part of the club leaves mental notes to others. Mind you between Martina and Edwards from what we know, one is on less money an academy player and has a future in the squad. The other could leave in a weeks time and I wouldn't give a rats ass. What the fuck?!
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Post by kustokie on Dec 27, 2018 16:04:12 GMT
But without bollocks, how good would the wank be? Bloody medical miracle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:14:15 GMT
This is what you get with a Caribbean fullback. He loves to play at home in a safe environment, away from home like today he shows up cold, not caring and just nightmarishly poor. Should be a rotation player, not a starter. You can say the opposite for Edwards. Shouldn't start at home, only away. The problem is we haven't that "starter" for Edwards to work with and learn from. We thought we did in Bauer who was great in the PL but he's disappeared like a mafia hit by Rowetts henchmen and this whole sideshow is coming back to bite us as a poor decision to completely ostracize him not even attempting to use him again. The amount of revisiting Pieters should let the most ardent Stoke fan realize players can turn it around but ostracizing them to not even being a part of the club leaves mental notes to others. Mind you between Martina and Edwards from what we know, one is on less money an academy player and has a future in the squad. The other could leave in a weeks time and I wouldn't give a rats ass. What the fuck?! I bet Texas thinks he's a shit swimmer as well......
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 27, 2018 16:28:04 GMT
Bloody Caribbean’s. Never been any good for Stoke.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 16:36:09 GMT
I bet Texas thinks he's a shit swimmer as well...... If it is anything like his "fuck it" Caribbean attitude defending here he is probably just as shit at that too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:41:09 GMT
I bet Texas thinks he's a shit swimmer as well...... If it is anything like his "fuck it" Caribbean attitude defending here he is probably just as shit at that too. I don't know what a "fuck it" Caribbean attitude is sorry....
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 16:45:29 GMT
If it is anything like his "fuck it" Caribbean attitude defending here he is probably just as shit at that too. I don't know what a "fuck it" Caribbean attitude is sorry.... Actually watch him each week not jump in an entire match and lacksadasically pass to the opponents and literally give up mid-match and you will.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:48:24 GMT
I don't know what a "fuck it" Caribbean attitude is sorry.... Actually watch him each week not jump in an entire match and lacksadasically pass to the opponents and literally give up mid-match and you will. And you're saying that all Caribbean people have this "fuck it" attitude? Or just the footballers? Cause it's kind of racist that.....
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 16:50:52 GMT
Actually watch him each week not jump in an entire match and lacksadasically pass to the opponents and literally give up mid-match and you will. And you're saying that all Caribbean people have this "fuck it" attitude? Or just the footballers? Cause it's kind of racist that..... You ever been to the Carribean? I live there half the year. They definitely have a fuck it attitude and our Martina can't wait to get the fuck out of the club. By the way, a region isn't a race you dumbass.
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Post by themistocles on Dec 27, 2018 16:53:54 GMT
Actually watch him each week not jump in an entire match and lacksadasically pass to the opponents and literally give up mid-match and you will. And you're saying that all Caribbean people have this "fuck it" attitude? Or just the footballers? Cause it's kind of racist that..... Thats like saying " British Sarcasm" is racist. Behave Ffs
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:55:12 GMT
And you're saying that all Caribbean people have this "fuck it" attitude? Or just the footballers? Cause it's kind of racist that..... You ever been to the Carribean? I live there half the year. They definitely have a fuck it attitude and our Martina can't wait to get the fuck out of the club. By the way, a region isn't a race you dumbass. Yeah a few times. Well, I've been to the Caribbean if that's what you mean "dumbass"
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 16:55:58 GMT
And you're saying that all Caribbean people have this "fuck it" attitude? Or just the footballers? Cause it's kind of racist that..... Thats like saying " British Sarcasm" is racist. Behave Ffs He's got to try some angle, bless his heart.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 16:56:34 GMT
You ever been to the Carribean? I live there half the year. They definitely have a fuck it attitude and our Martina can't wait to get the fuck out of the club. By the way, a region isn't a race you dumbass. Yeah a few times. Well, I've been to the Caribbean if that's what you mean "dumbass" Really? Ever been to Curacao?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:59:05 GMT
And you're saying that all Caribbean people have this "fuck it" attitude? Or just the footballers? Cause it's kind of racist that..... Thats like saying " British Sarcasm" is racist. Behave Ffs His initial statement was "that's what you get from a Caribbean full-back" Any ideas what he meant by that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:00:14 GMT
Yeah a few times. Well, I've been to the Caribbean if that's what you mean "dumbass" Really? Ever been to Curacao? Nope, never.....
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 17:02:40 GMT
Thats like saying " British Sarcasm" is racist. Behave Ffs His initial statement was "that's what you get from a Caribbean full-back" Any ideas what he meant by that? I meant, he's a lazy mercenary twat that made it out of Curacao earning huge fucking money here at Christmas who couldn't give a fucking shit on or off the pitch about the club and he can't fucking wait to get back to Willemstad in May. That is what I meant, it's quite obviously the truth.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 17:03:02 GMT
Really? Ever been to Curacao? Nope, never..... Than you've got no idea.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 27, 2018 17:06:44 GMT
His initial statement was "that's what you get from a Caribbean full-back" Any ideas what he meant by that? I meant, he's a lazy mercenary twat that made it out of Curacao earning huge fucking money here at Christmas who couldn't give a fucking shit on or off the pitch about the club and he can't fucking wait to get back to Willemstad in May. That is what I meant, it's quite obviously the truth. He was born and raised in Rotterdam. That's in Holland in the region of Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:07:17 GMT
I'm always wary of massive generalisations, being from Texas I thought you might be as well.......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:08:49 GMT
I meant, he's a lazy mercenary twat that made it out of Curacao earning huge fucking money here at Christmas who couldn't give a fucking shit on or off the pitch about the club and he can't fucking wait to get back to Willemstad in May. That is what I meant, it's quite obviously the truth. He was born and raised in Rotterdam. That's in Holland in the region of Europe. Damn you beat me to it, I was saving that one until he dug his hole a bit deeper. Probably stoned, bound to be if he's Dutch isn't that right Texas?
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 17:14:45 GMT
I meant, he's a lazy mercenary twat that made it out of Curacao earning huge fucking money here at Christmas who couldn't give a fucking shit on or off the pitch about the club and he can't fucking wait to get back to Willemstad in May. That is what I meant, it's quite obviously the truth. He was born and raised in Rotterdam. That's in Holland in the region of Europe. He has a house in Willemstad and vacations there in the summer and the lesser Antilles with his family. I know, I've met him several times it's a small island. I've met several Dutch players there and in Aruba including Erik and Wesley Sneidjer. Even when he was with Everton, he literally gave no fuck then either. There is a ang saying about the footballers who go to Europe to come back to the easy life. He's living the dream.
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