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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Dec 9, 2018 9:40:49 GMT
I absolutely agree that people pay their hard earned money and should be able to voice their opinion if they feel like it.
But grow a back bone eh? The faux-outrage and audible gasps when a player bites back is cringe worthy. If you've got the bollocks to shout shit from your seat then expect it back when they prove you wrong.
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Post by Godo on Dec 9, 2018 10:13:26 GMT
Didn't spot that but disappointed if it happened. However, although there have been games where his first touch and passing haven't been good enough, you can never criticise Allen for not applying himself and giving 100% effort.
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Post by Godo on Dec 9, 2018 10:18:03 GMT
I absolutely agree that people pay their hard earned money and should be able to voice their opinion if they feel like it. But grow a back bone eh? The faux-outrage and audible gasps when a player bites back is cringe worthy. If you've got the bollocks to shout shit from your seat then expect it back when they prove you wrong. I actually thought it was hilarious when Pieters got all hoighty toighty and at least when he got annoyed it injected a bit of drive into to his game that led to the 2nd goal. The free kick he played backwards was at a good angle to put towards the back of their box but......we haven't a target man to receive it!!
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Post by southcoaststokie on Dec 9, 2018 11:14:50 GMT
Did he really? I saw Eric do it to the Boothen when he put that cross in for our second, but if Joe also did it then it does not bode well for the craic between the fans and the players. I think the players need to draw their horns in a bit and realise that most of the negativity is directed at Rowett's negative style of nogger and not at individual players. Or maybe they like the manager so much that they will take his side against the fans? That's a recipe for disaster if they do. OS. Sorry to disagree, I think it is the sad face of football today, that there seems so much animosity between the fan's and the players, maybe as fans we spent too long in the premier league, maybe we should look at ourselves and start to realise that a supporter, supports the team , I would much rather the players be at one with the manager than the fan's, and maybe they feel the negativity being shown ,is being directed to the group as a whole, manager included, at least they seem to be as one, we used to think it was Stoke against the rest, looking at almost every thread on here, it seems to be the Club against the fan's, we won for Christ's sake, we got 3 points, we are on a fun of not loosing, we are climbing the table, but some people are never happy, maybe the players can't understand this, can't understand why they are getting so little support, football is a game, and in a game, it is all about winning, as one manager one famously said, if you want entertainment, then go to the circus, I would be happy to see my team win.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2018 11:33:53 GMT
Did he really? I saw Eric do it to the Boothen when he put that cross in for our second, but if Joe also did it then it does not bode well for the craic between the fans and the players. I think the players need to draw their horns in a bit and realise that most of the negativity is directed at Rowett's negative style of nogger and not at individual players. Or maybe they like the manager so much that they will take his side against the fans? That's a recipe for disaster if they do. OS. Are you surprised, the support is shit, yes a lot think we're underachieving and thats fair enough but on match day maybe actual encouragement would help. Its seemingly not just us though, it seems the fashion to boo your team off if they aren't 2 or 3 up by half time. Until the goal we'd had zero shots on goal against the worst team in the division and we've been in decline on and off the pitch for two and a half years. What do people expect?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2018 11:36:47 GMT
He took the goal well Heβs just as frustrated as the fans and the management- just like the players, a positive attitude will help everyone even when things arenβt going our way Yes they are professionals and we are the paying public If itβs so depressing for some fans they may be better off taking a break We were relegated for a reason, not quite good enough, morale and confidence are fragile, weβve lost some very good players. Weβve lost and are losing some fans The footballs not pretty but we are getting some points The likes of Joe Allen and Erik Pieters are very important for our club right now, they need our support I'm sure their wages will take the edge off a bit of booing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 9, 2018 11:38:07 GMT
I watched it on Ipswichβs iFollow with their local Radio Suffolk commentary and they picked up on the negativity from the crowd quite early on as their chance of getting something. There are people at the ground that moan at any backwards passing, it seems to be a uniquely Stoke thing, and it gets louder and louder the more it happens. So when weβre facing 11 men (that weβre expected to beat 10-0) all behind the ball in their own half, tight, compact, well-organised and weβre not constantly passing forwards itβs a turgid atmosphere that matches the game. Woods played a backwards pass in the first half, the Stoke fans sounded like a Wimbledon tennis crowd when Murray misses an easy shot after a 73 hit rally, the Ipswich commentary were bemused and Ipswich had a big lift. Alternatively, sitting on a single goal lead against the worst team in the league is utter dreck and the fans had every right to demand a bit more...
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Post by enuntio on Dec 9, 2018 12:26:48 GMT
Maybe with another 4 games to play in the next 3 weeks perhaps they were taking it easy, then again...
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 9, 2018 12:31:04 GMT
I watched it on Ipswichβs iFollow with their local Radio Suffolk commentary and they picked up on the negativity from the crowd quite early on as their chance of getting something. There are people at the ground that moan at any backwards passing, it seems to be a uniquely Stoke thing, and it gets louder and louder the more it happens. So when weβre facing 11 men (that weβre expected to beat 10-0) all behind the ball in their own half, tight, compact, well-organised and weβre not constantly passing forwards itβs a turgid atmosphere that matches the game. Woods played a backwards pass in the first half, the Stoke fans sounded like a Wimbledon tennis crowd when Murray misses an easy shot after a 73 hit rally, the Ipswich commentary were bemused and Ipswich had a big lift. Alternatively, sitting on a single goal league against the worst team in the league is utter dreck and the fans had every right to demand a bit more... Yes especially so since weβve lost a fair few points trying and failing to defend a one goal lead.
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Post by robboleek on Dec 9, 2018 12:48:46 GMT
Did he really? I saw Eric do it to the Boothen when he put that cross in for our second, but if Joe also did it then it does not bode well for the craic between the fans and the players. I think the players need to draw their horns in a bit and realise that most of the negativity is directed at Rowett's negative style of nogger and not at individual players. Or maybe they like the manager so much that they will take his side against the fans? That's a recipe for disaster if they do. OS. Sorry to disagree, I think it is the sad face of football today, that there seems so much animosity between the fan's and the players, maybe as fans we spent too long in the premier league, maybe we should look at ourselves and start to realise that a supporter, supports the team , I would much rather the players be at one with the manager than the fan's, and maybe they feel the negativity being shown ,is being directed to the group as a whole, manager included, at least they seem to be as one, we used to think it was Stoke against the rest, looking at almost every thread on here, it seems to be the Club against the fan's, we won for Christ's sake, we got 3 points, we are on a fun of not loosing, we are climbing the table, but some people are never happy, maybe the players can't understand this, can't understand why they are getting so little support, football is a game, and in a game, it is all about winning, as one manager one famously said, if you want entertainment, then go to the circus, I would be happy to see my team win. This all day long !!! We seem to have forgotten we support Stoke City........it isnβt the football that sucks the life out of me these days it is the bile, negativity and horrible undertone to each home match which does. .....
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Post by orfyboothen on Dec 9, 2018 12:56:44 GMT
I like Allen (and Erik for that matter) but I'm honestly not sure what the players expect? We pay good money to watch them and be entertained, they are employed and get paid well to provide that entertainment. It's like any environment, if you don't keep the customers happy, they complain. I can't think of any other time I would put up with being 'shushed' or shouted at for politely voicing my dissatisfaction at a substandard service I'm paying for. Can you imagine if you complained at Sainsbury's and the chap on the till shushed you? I know football is very different as it's so passionate but these are professional, grown men and plenty of non-footballers put up with a lot worse in their chosen careers. I almost feel like the club are taking the piss out of the fans lately. If SCFC were TV program we'd have been cancelled by now. I never see myself as a customer with expectations. I see myself as a supporter with hope. Football fandom to me is not and never will be a business transaction. A footabller trying to entertain in the heat of battle against opposition trying to stop him can hardly be compared to a bloke in Currys bringing you a TV - no one is trying to stop him getting to his target. Likewise, a film or theatre production involves cast following a script with no opposition in place. Value for money is a bonus at the match. I love that sport... on the field of play at least... is not a business model with terms and conditions. Fuck custom. Do we keep receipts for the season tickets we buy,? My job is to support... that's the choice I made.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 9, 2018 13:23:22 GMT
I like Allen (and Erik for that matter) but I'm honestly not sure what the players expect? We pay good money to watch them and be entertained, they are employed and get paid well to provide that entertainment. It's like any environment, if you don't keep the customers happy, they complain. I can't think of any other time I would put up with being 'shushed' or shouted at for politely voicing my dissatisfaction at a substandard service I'm paying for. Can you imagine if you complained at Sainsbury's and the chap on the till shushed you? I know football is very different as it's so passionate but these are professional, grown men and plenty of non-footballers put up with a lot worse in their chosen careers. I almost feel like the club are taking the piss out of the fans lately. If SCFC were TV program we'd have been cancelled by now. I never see myself as a customer with expectations. I see myself as a supporter with hope. Football fandom to me is not and never will be a business transaction. A footabller trying to entertain in the heat of battle against opposition trying to stop him can hardly be compared to a bloke in Currys bringing you a TV - no one is trying to stop him getting to his target. Likewise, a film or theatre production involves cast following a script with no opposition in place. Value for money is a bonus at the match. I love that sport... on the field of play at least... is not a business model with terms and conditions. Fuck custom. Do we keep receipts for the season tickets we buy,? My job is to support... that's the choice I made. Amen to that And in fairness to Allen - it was not his fault we went down, nor is it his fault that others in the team do not perform as consistently as he does.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2018 13:43:17 GMT
I never see myself as a customer with expectations. I see myself as a supporter with hope. Football fandom to me is not and never will be a business transaction. A footabller trying to entertain in the heat of battle against opposition trying to stop him can hardly be compared to a bloke in Currys bringing you a TV - no one is trying to stop him getting to his target. Likewise, a film or theatre production involves cast following a script with no opposition in place. Value for money is a bonus at the match. I love that sport... on the field of play at least... is not a business model with terms and conditions. Fuck custom. Do we keep receipts for the season tickets we buy,? My job is to support... that's the choice I made. Amen to that And in fairness to Allen - it was not his fault we went down, nor is it his fault that others in the team do not perform as consistently as he does. For a good portion of last season and this he was consistently awful. Heβs improved a lot but it certainly was (partly) his fault we went down, as he is the first to admit.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2018 16:25:19 GMT
Sorry to disagree, I think it is the sad face of football today, that there seems so much animosity between the fan's and the players, maybe as fans we spent too long in the premier league, maybe we should look at ourselves and start to realise that a supporter, supports the team , I would much rather the players be at one with the manager than the fan's, and maybe they feel the negativity being shown ,is being directed to the group as a whole, manager included, at least they seem to be as one, we used to think it was Stoke against the rest, looking at almost every thread on here, it seems to be the Club against the fan's, we won for Christ's sake, we got 3 points, we are on a fun of not loosing, we are climbing the table, but some people are never happy, maybe the players can't understand this, can't understand why they are getting so little support, football is a game, and in a game, it is all about winning, as one manager one famously said, if you want entertainment, then go to the circus, I would be happy to see my team win. This all day long !!! We seem to have forgotten we support Stoke City........it isnβt the football that sucks the life out of me these days it is the bile, negativity and horrible undertone to each home match which does. ..... Name me one club that had endured the last two and a half years that we have where the atmosphere would be any better? If anything, Stoke fans have been patient beyond the call of duty. The club have pissed away 10 years of hard work through sheer arrogance, and still the people responsible are still in situ despite hollow promises of change.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 9, 2018 16:27:54 GMT
This all day long !!! We seem to have forgotten we support Stoke City........it isnβt the football that sucks the life out of me these days it is the bile, negativity and horrible undertone to each home match which does. ..... Name me one club that had endured the last two and a half years that we have where the atmosphere would be any better? If anything, Stoke fans have been patient beyond the call of duty. I think you are right. We have been conditioned to accept mediocrity. It comes from the top.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 9, 2018 16:30:59 GMT
Did he really? I saw Eric do it to the Boothen when he put that cross in for our second, but if Joe also did it then it does not bode well for the craic between the fans and the players. I think the players need to draw their horns in a bit and realise that most of the negativity is directed at Rowett's negative style of nogger and not at individual players. Or maybe they like the manager so much that they will take his side against the fans? That's a recipe for disaster if they do. OS. Are you surprised, the support is shit, yes a lot think we're underachieving and thats fair enough but on match day maybe actual encouragement would help. Its seemingly not just us though, it seems the fashion to boo your team off if they aren't 2 or 3 up by half time. I don't think Stoke fans boo that much just because of the score , we expect maybe naively the players to take pride in the shirt and give everything in games . Yesterday bar the two excellent goals was a million miles from that and to be honest I'm more than happy for any of our players who don't want to give everything to go and be replaced by players who do . We have had over two years of dross now and players who don't seem to care enough . It might me down to the tactics in which case the manager should go if he thinks that what he serving up is acceptable for people to go up there and pay money to watch.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 9, 2018 16:34:19 GMT
Maybe with another 4 games to play in the next 3 weeks perhaps they were taking it easy, then again... Apart from the odd game it would appear that they have been taking it easy for two years now,is it.unrealistic to expect them to work in games for their 30,40,50 grand a week and provide some excitement for the supporters ?
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 9, 2018 16:34:27 GMT
So now all he does is run about and shush people? Great.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 9, 2018 16:46:24 GMT
I just hope he spent half that focus on holding possession. His touch and skill has condiderably dropped off from last season. At least he still chases play like a madman, but he wouldn't have too if he didn't give it away so much. His free range 'everywhere' position is half the problem of our buildup being slow Ince, Bera and Afobe never know where the fuck he's going to be.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 9, 2018 16:48:28 GMT
I just hope he spent half that focus on holding possession. His touch and skill has condiderably dropped off from last season. At least he still chases play like a madman, but he wouldn't have too if he didn't give it away so much. His free range 'everywhere' position is half the problem of our buildup being slow Ince, Bera and Afobe never know where the fuck he's going to be. "Free Range"! π
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 9, 2018 16:53:09 GMT
I just hope he spent half that focus on holding possession. His touch and skill has condiderably dropped off from last season. At least he still chases play like a madman, but he wouldn't have too if he didn't give it away so much. His free range 'everywhere' position is half the problem of our buildup being slow Ince, Bera and Afobe never know where the fuck he's going to be. "Free Range"! π π€ You like that. I love when Ince has the ball on the edge of the 18 yard box a few times a match he stops the ball like Ronaldo looks up and then his is hands go down at a v like the lady Guadalupe looking for him or Clucas going, "come the fuck on!" π I point it out each match like I'm from the future hahaha I scared an Arsenal fan this week with it.
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Post by robboleek on Dec 9, 2018 17:11:59 GMT
This all day long !!! We seem to have forgotten we support Stoke City........it isnβt the football that sucks the life out of me these days it is the bile, negativity and horrible undertone to each home match which does. ..... Name me one club that had endured the last two and a half years that we have where the atmosphere would be any better? If anything, Stoke fans have been patient beyond the call of duty. The club have pissed away 10 years of hard work through sheer arrogance, and still the people responsible are still in situ despite hollow promises of change. Donβt disagree with any of that I am just finding the endless negativity pretty fucking exhausting...... yes to the stage where I donβt really want to go anymore. Shame but there you go. I missed Derby for this reason and went to Ipswich, life is a cunt as should have been other way around ππ
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 9, 2018 17:22:11 GMT
They're an unlikable bunch of players managed by an unlikable man. They don't seem to be willing to take any responsibility for the position we're in or the frustrations supporters have and clearly think it's fans being unreasonable that we're not dancing in the streets after a tedious victory against as an abysmal a second tier side as you're ever likely to see.
A lot of them have been bumped back up to Premier League wages and new signings are on top whack Championship wages and above so whilst I recognise the argument that fans can be precious about these sort of things, this particular bunch of arm waving, lip hushing goons can go and fuck themselves, the entitled bunch of bastards.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:23:28 GMT
But surely the team are beyond any criticism. Some of them have played in the Premier League you know!
The players will expect worship, not criticism. Ungrateful bastards are the fans.
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Post by waddosnavy on Dec 9, 2018 17:40:49 GMT
Last time we played Ipswich when they were bottom of the table - 21 March 1964, we managed to put 9 (yes nine) past them. Could have been more, but at 8 only Bebbington on the left wing was the only one of the 5 forward line who had not scored and the team conspired to set him up for the 9th. For the record Dobing (7) 1 goal, Violett (8) 2, Ritchie (9) 2, McIlroy (10) 3, Bebbington (11) 1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:17:47 GMT
π€ You like that. I love when Ince has the ball on the edge of the 18 yard box a few times a match he stops the ball like Ronaldo looks up and then his is hands go down at a v like the lady Guadalupe looking for him or Clucas going, "come the fuck on!" π I point it out each match like I'm from the future hahaha I scared an Arsenal fan this week with it. It's 'free rein'
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Post by brumstokie on Dec 9, 2018 18:22:17 GMT
rowett is sucking the life out of the club with his boring football and what seems to be personal vendettas against certain players.gaps in the croud get bigger 24000 there yesterday noway 24000 paid to get in yesterday ( including season ticket holders that didn't attend). I estimate there were about 19000 in the ground.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 9, 2018 18:34:25 GMT
They're an unlikable bunch of players managed by an unlikable man. They don't seem to be willing to take any responsibility for the position we're in or the frustrations supporters have and clearly think it's fans being unreasonable that we're not dancing in the streets after a tedious victory against as an abysmal a second tier side as you're ever likely to see. A lot of them have been bumped back up to Premier League wages and new signings are on top whack Championship wages and above so whilst I recognise the argument that fans can be precious about these sort of things, this particular bunch of arm waving, lip hushing goons can go and fuck themselves, the entitled bunch of bastards. Are you a yellow vest in Paris? Get the guillotine out and start knitting. I don't disagree by the way, but that's how the revolution started in 1789.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 9, 2018 18:43:26 GMT
They're an unlikable bunch of players managed by an unlikable man. They don't seem to be willing to take any responsibility for the position we're in or the frustrations supporters have and clearly think it's fans being unreasonable that we're not dancing in the streets after a tedious victory against as an abysmal a second tier side as you're ever likely to see. A lot of them have been bumped back up to Premier League wages and new signings are on top whack Championship wages and above so whilst I recognise the argument that fans can be precious about these sort of things, this particular bunch of arm waving, lip hushing goons can go and fuck themselves, the entitled bunch of bastards. Are you a yellow vest in Paris?Β Get the guillotine out and start knitting.Β I don't disagree by the way, but that's how the revolution started in 1789. We could use some of them yellow vest bastards to overthrow the executive management team of idiots and Rowett's regime along with his 7 henchmen before we get to the bunker scene y'all know is comin'
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 9, 2018 18:52:34 GMT
Are you surprised, the support is shit, yes a lot think we're underachieving and thats fair enough but on match day maybe actual encouragement would help. Its seemingly not just us though, it seems the fashion to boo your team off if they aren't 2 or 3 up by half time. I don't think Stoke fans boo that much just because of the score , we expect maybe naively the players to take pride in the shirt and give everything in games . Yesterday bar the two excellent goals was a million miles from that and to be honest I'm more than happy for any of our players who don't want to give everything to go and be replaced by players who do . We have had over two years of dross now and players who don't seem to care enough . It might me down to the tactics in which case the manager should go if he thinks that what he serving up is acceptable for people to go up there and pay money to watch. I'm more on about giving encouragement and support, every player has off days the last thing they need is the fans to moan and get on their backs, re tactics, I doubt whatever Rowett wanted of them prevented them from being able to find a man in a stoke top with simple passes, bar a couple of brief moments our midfielders were shocking throughout.
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