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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 9, 2018 15:26:08 GMT
I can so understand how you feel. We had 10 points after 10 games and now we find we have got a further 20 points after the next 11 games. Life’s a bitch isn’t it. I guess you are being sarcastic.Lets follow your logic-30 points after 21 games; 60 points after42 games, 68 points after 46 games , a position between 10th and 16th- as you said, Life’s a Bitch. Nip on to Google and research the term "trends".
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Post by thehoof on Dec 9, 2018 15:54:11 GMT
That’s okay. Go onto soccer stats and follow the trends for your timeline- we will finish 8th outside the play offs, behind such stellar teams as Preston. Of course Stoke might continue their unbeaten run for another 11 games and then your trend will be worth something.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 9, 2018 17:04:11 GMT
A certain Mr.Durban once said,"If you want entertainment,go to the Circus". We now have a Clown in charge,but where is the entertainment?
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Post by scfcrmagic on Dec 11, 2018 1:24:17 GMT
I’d rather take the points myself .....I think Rowett is putting the team back together and that takes time ...let’s face it we were haemorrhaging goals at a rate of knots. Personally speakingI ’d rather carry on climbing up the league steadily and not peak too soon...Rowett doesn’t need us on his back..he knows what the problems are..we need to show him our support . Goarrrrrrn Stoke !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 2:14:40 GMT
Boring graft style of football and on the journey home it seems as though the manager is showing Bojan the door. A team desperate for flair (especially at home)and we are letting a gem go , am seriously considering not renewing. Depressing. You need to give it a miss for a couple of seasons mate. Footie isn’t what it used to be, and many of us are clinging to the wreckage. I can't tell if you're joking or not. This actually seriously resonates, I am not joking!
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Post by Pedropotter on Dec 11, 2018 6:27:55 GMT
You need to give it a miss for a couple of seasons mate. Footie isn’t what it used to be, and many of us are clinging to the wreckage. I can't tell if you're joking or not. This actually seriously resonates, I am not joking! No joke mate. I’m in the same boat.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 11, 2018 9:31:55 GMT
If we get promoted nobody will remember the performance v Ipswich. The 3 points are all that matters right now You're right. It was a shit game..shit weather..shit atmosphere but the power of positive thinking says..means to an end. He is grinding out better results but its obvious why Derby fans are enjoying the football they see now a lot more , his job is to take us back up and he has been backed to do that financially . The challenge is to deliver in the games against teams near the top like this Saturday , if we start managing that then the dull games we win will be forgotten . I can see the need for results but not much about Rowett that I can like
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Post by knyperstokie on Dec 11, 2018 9:40:17 GMT
Boring graft style of football and on the journey home it seems as though the manager is showing Bojan the door. A team desperate for flair (especially at home)and we are letting a gem go , am seriously considering not renewing. Depressing.
Reminds me of the early days of Tony Pulis. At least we got results.
There is only so much that you can do with a certain class of player. If the club were paying £50 million a player I'd expect more
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2018 10:18:24 GMT
Boring graft style of football and on the journey home it seems as though the manager is showing Bojan the door. A team desperate for flair (especially at home)and we are letting a gem go , am seriously considering not renewing. Depressing. Reminds me of the early days of Tony Pulis. At least we got results.
There is only so much that you can do with a certain class of player. If the club were paying £50 million a player I'd expect more
We've outspent most of the league and kept most of our best players. Let's not pretend we have no choice but to play this way.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 11, 2018 10:24:10 GMT
A few weeks ago when we either drawing or losing people were saying they would do anything for an ugly win. Against Ipswich that's what we got. After our poor start I would accept a few more.
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Post by boothenesque on Dec 11, 2018 10:34:17 GMT
I’d rather take the points myself .....I think Rowett is putting the team back together and that takes time ...let’s face it we were haemorrhaging goals at a rate of knots. Personally speakingI ’d rather carry on climbing up the league steadily and not peak too soon...Rowett doesn’t need us on his back..he knows what the problems are..we need to show him our support . Goarrrrrrn Stoke ! Rather than storming the league 10 points clear at the top and unstoppable? Was uninspired by the appointment, hardly radical and taking us forward but wanted to give him a chance. He doesn't need us on his back, 100% with you there, it's counter-productive and compounds the problem. He's not exactly bold though doesn't inspire confidence though. Sure we have maybe stopped the bleeding but I don't believe he's going to get us back. I want to but as each week and each press conference and interview goes by I just can't get onboard with this guy. I think we'll flirt with the play-off as one last glowing ember before we fizzle out and it marks the start of another long period to reflect on what we did to ourselves and how we blew it.
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Post by StoKeith on Dec 11, 2018 10:55:45 GMT
I think Rowett wanted to play attacking football from the start of the season, but after conceding 18 goals in the first 10 matches, he obviously realised that he needed to fix the defence. We conceded 7 goals over the next 10 matches mostly by playing unadventurous, defensive football. Despite this, we’ve only dipped a bit in terms of scoring. We scored 14 in our first 10 matches and 11 in the next 10 matches.
First 10: F14 A18 Next 10: F11 A7
Let’s see what the next 10 matches bring. We started with a 2-0 win, so that looks good on paper, despite the poor performance. I hope Rowett can get the balance right and maintain the stingier defence while scoring a few more.
Breaking it down a bit more:
First 5: F6 A9 Next 5: F8 A9 Next 5: F5 A2 Next 5: F6 A5
I’m hopeful at least.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 11, 2018 15:35:22 GMT
If we get promoted nobody will remember the performance v Ipswich. The 3 points are all that matters right now I still have nightmares about the Boxing Day game against Preston over 10 years ago. We didn’t lose but it felt like a part of me and football died, it didn’t of course, and we went on to greater things but it was a massively depressing experience.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2018 15:40:31 GMT
I think Rowett wanted to play attacking football from the start of the season, but after conceding 18 goals in the first 10 matches, he obviously realised that he needed to fix the defence. We conceded 7 goals over the next 10 matches mostly by playing unadventurous, defensive football. Despite this, we’ve only dipped a bit in terms of scoring. We scored 14 in our first 10 matches and 11 in the next 10 matches. First 10: F14 A18 Next 10: F11 A7 Let’s see what the next 10 matches bring. We started with a 2-0 win, so that looks good on paper, despite the poor performance. I hope Rowett can get the balance right and maintain the stingier defence while scoring a few more. Breaking it down a bit more: First 5: F6 A9 Next 5: F8 A9 Next 5: F5 A2 Next 5: F6 A5 I’m hopeful at least. He's rarely played attacking football throughout his managerial career to date. He's had £40m to spend and has found room for precisely one creative player, while the most creative one on the books can't get in the matchday squad. He could play attacking football now at home against teams who come to defend but he plays three midfield scrappers miles behind a lone striker...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 15:50:53 GMT
I think Rowett wanted to play attacking football from the start of the season, but after conceding 18 goals in the first 10 matches, he obviously realised that he needed to fix the defence. We conceded 7 goals over the next 10 matches mostly by playing unadventurous, defensive football. Despite this, we’ve only dipped a bit in terms of scoring. We scored 14 in our first 10 matches and 11 in the next 10 matches. First 10: F14 A18 Next 10: F11 A7 Let’s see what the next 10 matches bring. We started with a 2-0 win, so that looks good on paper, despite the poor performance. I hope Rowett can get the balance right and maintain the stingier defence while scoring a few more. Breaking it down a bit more: First 5: F6 A9 Next 5: F8 A9 Next 5: F5 A2 Next 5: F6 A5 I’m hopeful at least. He's rarely played attacking football throughout his managerial career to date. He's had £40m to spend and has found room for precisely one creative player, while the most creative one on the books can't get in the matchday squad. He could play attacking football now at home against teams who come to defend but he plays three midfield scrappers miles behind a lone striker... Only promoted Wolves and Fulham, plus Villa and bizarrely lowly Hull scored more goals than Derby last season, you can still score at a healthy rate without being gung ho. Whether he can find that same balance between attach and defence here is the big question....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2018 15:55:33 GMT
He's rarely played attacking football throughout his managerial career to date. He's had £40m to spend and has found room for precisely one creative player, while the most creative one on the books can't get in the matchday squad. He could play attacking football now at home against teams who come to defend but he plays three midfield scrappers miles behind a lone striker... Only promoted Wolves and Fulham, plus Villa and bizarrely lowly Hull scored more goals than Derby last season, you can still score at a healthy rate without being gung ho. Whether he can find that same balance between attach and defence here is the big question.... Does he even want to? Derby definitely scored plenty of goals but there were plenty of fans less than thrilled with his approach even before he jumped ship.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:03:49 GMT
Only promoted Wolves and Fulham, plus Villa and bizarrely lowly Hull scored more goals than Derby last season, you can still score at a healthy rate without being gung ho. Whether he can find that same balance between attach and defence here is the big question.... Does he even want to? Derby definitely scored plenty of goals but there were plenty of fans less than thrilled with his approach even before he jumped ship. I take some of what Derby fans says with a large pinch of salt as they went from gloating that he stayed initially to saying his football was dire. In answer to your question I think time will tell in January, my gut feeling is that he doesn’t trust the defence and he will look to bolster as he didn’t get his initial targets , this will hopefully lead to a less conservative outlook. I could of course be totally wrong but until then if we can keep picking up points we will be sitting relatively pretty.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 11, 2018 16:11:07 GMT
Does he even want to? Derby definitely scored plenty of goals but there were plenty of fans less than thrilled with his approach even before he jumped ship. I take some of what Derby fans says with a large pinch of salt as they went from gloating that he stayed initially to saying his football was dire. In answer to your question I think time will tell in January, my gut feeling is that he doesn’t trust the defence and he will look to bolster as he didn’t get his initial targets , this will hopefully lead to a less conservative outlook. I could of course be totally wrong but until then if we can keep picking up points we will be sitting relatively pretty..... I think he lost a fair few Derby fans when they tanked from 2nd to sixth and then went full Gudjon at Walsall in the play offs. Of course, he did get them to 2nd in the first place. Personally I don't think managers ever really change their spots. Pulis used to give us his three year plan and jam tomorrow stuff, but they generally have a philosophy and stick to it.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 11, 2018 16:17:03 GMT
I think Rowett wanted to play attacking football from the start of the season, but after conceding 18 goals in the first 10 matches, he obviously realised that he needed to fix the defence. We conceded 7 goals over the next 10 matches mostly by playing unadventurous, defensive football. Despite this, we’ve only dipped a bit in terms of scoring. We scored 14 in our first 10 matches and 11 in the next 10 matches. First 10: F14 A18 Next 10: F11 A7 Let’s see what the next 10 matches bring. We started with a 2-0 win, so that looks good on paper, despite the poor performance. I hope Rowett can get the balance right and maintain the stingier defence while scoring a few more. Breaking it down a bit more: First 5: F6 A9 Next 5: F8 A9 Next 5: F5 A2 Next 5: F6 A5 I’m hopeful at least. I enjoyed reading your post, but think you are making the theory without the facts. I don't think we conceded a lot of goals in the opening matches because we were attacking, in fact we often didn't start really attacking until we were 2 or 3 goals down! I don't think there is any statistical significance in the goals scored from 5 matches to 5 matches, which I'll return to below. There is significant difference in the goals conceded, but I would attribute this to poor play by our defenders. The reduction in goals conceded is, I believe, due an improvement in their performances and the changes in team members. Williams was very poor in the early matches and was eventually dropped, he has played better since he returned. Martina was very poor and eventually dropped, Edwards came in and improved the defending, but then had a stinker and got dropped. Butland was shaky to start with and then started to play extremely well, saving the points (and GA) a number of times. The upturn in points achieved coincides with Woods coming into the team, who has played much better than Fletcher. Regarding attacking, goals scored is a crude method to assess it. I suggest shots on target is a better measure of a teams attacking intent and threat; better than total shots as shots from distance into the back of the stand mean nothing IMO. The shots on target have been as follows: First 5: 18 Next 5: 21 Next 5: 19 Next 5: 15 This 5 includes Boro (1), and Forest (2), two very defensive teams who usually give few good chances to shoot to the opposition. There is nothing there to suggest we attacked more early in the season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:18:29 GMT
I take some of what Derby fans says with a large pinch of salt as they went from gloating that he stayed initially to saying his football was dire. In answer to your question I think time will tell in January, my gut feeling is that he doesn’t trust the defence and he will look to bolster as he didn’t get his initial targets , this will hopefully lead to a less conservative outlook. I could of course be totally wrong but until then if we can keep picking up points we will be sitting relatively pretty..... I think he lost a fair few Derby fans when they tanked from 2nd to sixth and then went full Gudjon at Walsall in the play offs. Of course, he did get them to 2nd in the first place. Personally I don't think managers ever really change their spots. Pulis used to give us his three year plan and jam tomorrow stuff, but they generally have a philosophy and stick to it. You'd hope if he found himself in a similar position with us that the pressure to achieve promotion would deter her him from bottling it tactically.
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Post by StoKeith on Dec 11, 2018 17:06:28 GMT
I think Rowett wanted to play attacking football from the start of the season, but after conceding 18 goals in the first 10 matches, he obviously realised that he needed to fix the defence. We conceded 7 goals over the next 10 matches mostly by playing unadventurous, defensive football. Despite this, we’ve only dipped a bit in terms of scoring. We scored 14 in our first 10 matches and 11 in the next 10 matches. First 10: F14 A18 Next 10: F11 A7 Let’s see what the next 10 matches bring. We started with a 2-0 win, so that looks good on paper, despite the poor performance. I hope Rowett can get the balance right and maintain the stingier defence while scoring a few more. Breaking it down a bit more: First 5: F6 A9 Next 5: F8 A9 Next 5: F5 A2 Next 5: F6 A5 I’m hopeful at least. I enjoyed reading your post, but think you are making the theory without the facts. I don't think we conceded a lot of goals in the opening matches because we were attacking, in fact we often didn't start really attacking until we were 2 or 3 goals down! I don't think there is any statistical significance in the goals scored from 5 matches to 5 matches, which I'll return to below. There is significant difference in the goals conceded, but I would attribute this to poor play by our defenders. The reduction in goals conceded is, I believe, due an improvement in their performances and the changes in team members. Williams was very poor in the early matches and was eventually dropped, he has played better since he returned. Martina was very poor and eventually dropped, Edwards came in and improved the defending, but then had a stinker and got dropped. Butland was shaky to start with and then started to play extremely well, saving the points (and GA) a number of times. The upturn in points achieved coincides with Woods coming into the team, who has played much better than Fletcher. Regarding attacking, goals scored is a crude method to assess it. I suggest shots on target is a better measure of a teams attacking intent and threat; better than total shots as shots from distance into the back of the stand mean nothing IMO. The shots on target have been as follows: First 5: 18 Next 5: 21 Next 5: 19 Next 5: 15 This 5 includes Boro (1), and Forest (2), two very defensive teams who usually give few good chances to shoot to the opposition. There is nothing there to suggest we attacked more early in the season. Fair enough. At least the defence noticeably tightened up. I really hope Rowett begins to trust the back line a bit more in the future and does figure out a way of balancing solid defence with slightly more adventurous forward play, but as others have said it doesn't seem to be his style.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 12:48:57 GMT
Boring graft style of football and on the journey home it seems as though the manager is showing Bojan the door. A team desperate for flair (especially at home)and we are letting a gem go , am seriously considering not renewing. Depressing.
Reminds me of the early days of Tony Pulis. At least we got results.
There is only so much that you can do with a certain class of player. If the club were paying £50 million a player I'd expect more
We spent £5K on Bojan and yet you will get more from him than the "certain class" of players you have in mind, who are in the team right now. But only if he plays. Which is like overstating the obvious, and yet there are people, and not just one or two, who complain about his performance when he isn't.
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