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Post by lifelong on Dec 14, 2018 10:13:31 GMT
Truth is nobody can afford to be a nice guy and survive as a manager
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 14, 2018 11:08:46 GMT
Their style of football is very similar with both reluctant to play anything creative. From what people say Pulis outside of football seems a decent fella, Rowett on the other hand seems an arrogant Twat.
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Post by pyrus on Dec 14, 2018 12:35:38 GMT
I am going to the away match at Villa tomorrow. I will keep an eye out to see if we play with four centrebacks, two caged midfielders, a default set-up of ten men behind the ball, surrendering 70% of possession to the opposition with between 0 and two off-target shots on goal. If we play like that, I would concede that it is as bad as Pulis. But is it worse? I cannot really conceive of anything that could be worse than the version of Pulisball we played in the last couple of his seasons. It was the most depressing of all my 50 years of going to matches and that includes our meltdown season when we dropped into the third tier.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2018 12:48:50 GMT
Nothing will be worse than the patronising, fraudulent cretin that was Pulis.
Even Lambert wasn’t that bad and he was about as capable as Frank Spencer.
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Post by Absolution on Dec 14, 2018 12:50:45 GMT
I am going to the away match at Villa tomorrow. I will keep an eye out to see if we play with four centrebacks, two caged midfielders, a default set-up of ten men behind the ball, surrendering 70% of possession to the opposition with between 0 and two off-target shots on goal. If we play like that, I would concede that it is as bad as Pulis. But is it worse? I cannot really conceive of anything that could be worse than the version of Pulisball we played in the last couple of his seasons. It was the most depressing of all my 50 years of going to matches and that includes our meltdown season when we dropped into the third tier. Were you there for the binary season?
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2018 12:55:24 GMT
"Comparisons are odious"
Pulis had a remit to get us into the Premier League and keep us there. Whoever is in charge of a club like Stoke is faced with the prospect that you need to spend many matches with your backs to the wall trying to avoid a drubbing. When Pulis lost Ethers, there was no way of getting forward apart from long balls. Pulis was not prepared to let N'Zonzi have free reign.
Rowett's remit is to get us back to the Prem. That is impossible without winning a substantial amount of the matches, we know that, and it is very frustrating to see a talented squad not being used to its full potential to achieve it.
We can but hope that we continue to keep in touch with the play-offs places by winning at home and drawing away, and, by some miracle, Rowett chooses to chance his arm and start attacking more towards the last third of the season.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 14, 2018 13:58:28 GMT
I'm not saying I thought he was/is horrible or cold, just he was/is a notably hard man. I wouldn't fancy being on the wrong side of him, put it that way. Trying to remember the quote, I'll get it wrong probably but there was a brilliant Hugh McIlvanney doc about the 3 great managers born only a few miles from each other, Busby, Shankly and Stein and I'm pretty sure this was Souness talking about Stein, who he said had 'that little bit of pure bastard every great manager must have'. Or words to that effect. I love Hugh McIlvanney's writing !!
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Post by ChiefWiggum on Dec 14, 2018 18:13:14 GMT
What's all the fuss about?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2018 18:21:54 GMT
The vast majority of supporters would have Pulis back in an instant. This message board is not representative of mainstream supporters who gave him a decent enough reception a few weeks ago. Nice fishing, Bob Nudd 😂
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2018 18:23:07 GMT
Likeable ? the man was a arrogant wanker who thought we should settle for second best because we are little old stoke and we should be honoured to lose to Liverpool etc (don't forget he said Bristol City where a bigger and better club when he turned us down first time around) people have short memories . I don't have a short memory what so ever. Those who know TP, know he's a great man. I bet his lawyer loves him.
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Post by march4 on Dec 14, 2018 22:29:20 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. In which parallel universe was Pulis likeable? Every single one known to decent human beings.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 14, 2018 23:37:11 GMT
I mean, seriously? Pulis' dross wasn't as bad as this was it? 2 shots on target, against that Ipswich defence, with the first one coming after 47 minutes. Pulis split the support down the middle whereas everyone seems to unanimously agree that Rowett is woeful. Get a life. There’s still loads to play for
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Post by kustokie on Dec 15, 2018 0:05:42 GMT
Their style of football is very similar with both reluctant to play anything creative. From what people say Pulis outside of football seems a decent fella, Rowett on the other hand seems an arrogant Twat. What you smoking? Pulis is a greedy toe-rag that will do anything for money. Have you read the judge’s opinion in the law suit brought against him by Crystal Palace for violating the terms of his contract and lying to the owners?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 15, 2018 9:38:53 GMT
In which parallel universe was Pulis likeable? Every single one known to decent human beings. 😂
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 15, 2018 10:45:43 GMT
Some people seem to forget that TP saved us from relegation, got us promoted and established us as a PL team as well. I agree TP's football at times could be really boring, especially away to the top teams, but it could also be very entertaining at times. Especially at home where we had some fantastic games under his reign, and we also had some really exciting player during his time. What was evident with TP's football was that we needed wingers able to create chances and with a high work rate as well. The same could be said about Rowett's team. Unfortunately we just have one real winger up for the task at the moment, but we will see if Clucas or Etebo can fill this role sufficently. What is certain is that McClean won't be the answer even though he isn't such a bad choice either. He is jus a bit too primitive and predictable to be the player we need, but nothing is wrong about his commitment though. Despite not playing champagne football I think we're steadily moving in the right direction, and I won't be surprised at all to see us among the top six teams at the end of the season. I don't know what people expect, but a lot of people on this board were moaning as hell after Stoke beating Ipswich 2-0! To me the result will always be more important than how we get the points, but of course it's good to see your team play well too. Anyway I think people have too big expectations when they moan after a 2-0 win, I really do!
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Post by RAF on Dec 15, 2018 13:10:02 GMT
Truth is nobody can afford to be a nice guy and survive as a manager Bobby Robson did. H
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 15, 2018 14:52:28 GMT
Truth is nobody can afford to be a nice guy and survive as a manager Bobby Robson did. H Who killed Bambi at Newcastle then ?
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Post by RAF on Dec 15, 2018 15:52:24 GMT
Who killed Bambi at Newcastle then ? Ask Ed Tudorpole! H
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Post by pyrus on Dec 15, 2018 19:30:26 GMT
I am going to the away match at Villa tomorrow. I will keep an eye out to see if we play with four centrebacks, two caged midfielders, a default set-up of ten men behind the ball, surrendering 70% of possession to the opposition with between 0 and two off-target shots on goal. If we play like that, I would concede that it is as bad as Pulis. But is it worse? I cannot really conceive of anything that could be worse than the version of Pulisball we played in the last couple of his seasons. It was the most depressing of all my 50 years of going to matches and that includes our meltdown season when we dropped into the third tier. The feedback from Villa Park is that we played rather well. If anything was a worry it was that we tended to get into a bit of a mess trying to play our way out of defense. If nothing else it demonstrates that we aren’t just hoofing it as per Pulisball. So based on the evidence of that match, this thread needs shit-binning.
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Post by chumley on Dec 16, 2018 15:29:35 GMT
Yesterday we played well and will get to the playoffs if we carry on like that. Only thing i didnt like was Berahino up front, he got clear and just doesn't know what to do, he blasted one very wide and looks for any option but to have a go as he used to at west brom. Everyone else apart from cucina, who got well forward, but had he tried jumpimg they would not have scored their second. played well midfield was dominated by woods and Allen, Mclean was good and Ince was immense. We had enough chances to have been 3 up by time we scored and even the villa fans by me commented on our play which makes a change as they are very deluded. Definitely 2 points dropped...again.
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 20, 2018 13:12:11 GMT
Who killed Bambi at Newcastle then ? Ask Ed Tudorpole! H I'm asking YOU ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2018 16:16:12 GMT
I am going to the away match at Villa tomorrow. I will keep an eye out to see if we play with four centrebacks, two caged midfielders, a default set-up of ten men behind the ball, surrendering 70% of possession to the opposition with between 0 and two off-target shots on goal. If we play like that, I would concede that it is as bad as Pulis. But is it worse? I cannot really conceive of anything that could be worse than the version of Pulisball we played in the last couple of his seasons. It was the most depressing of all my 50 years of going to matches and that includes our meltdown season when we dropped into the third tier. The feedback from Villa Park is that we played rather well. If anything was a worry it was that we tended to get into a bit of a mess trying to play our way out of defense. If nothing else it demonstrates that we aren’t just hoofing it as per Pulisball. So based on the evidence of that match, this thread needs shit-binning. I think the truth is it’s not as bad as toss Pulis and couldn’t hold a candle to premium Pulis! Be interesting to see if and how that changes.
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Post by RAF on Dec 20, 2018 18:11:34 GMT
Ed knows the story better than me. H
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 18:42:31 GMT
The feedback from Villa Park is that we played rather well. If anything was a worry it was that we tended to get into a bit of a mess trying to play our way out of defense. If nothing else it demonstrates that we aren’t just hoofing it as per Pulisball. So based on the evidence of that match, this thread needs shit-binning. I think the truth is it’s not as bad as toss Pulis and couldn’t hold a candle to premium Pulis! Be interesting to see if and how that changes. Yeah but premium Pulis had Ricardo Fuller up front. He made Pulis' football watchable.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 20, 2018 19:20:26 GMT
I think the truth is it’s not as bad as toss Pulis and couldn’t hold a candle to premium Pulis! Be interesting to see if and how that changes. Yeah but premium Pulis had Ricardo Fuller up front. He made Pulis' football watchable. We still played some decent stuff at times with Beattie up front and even Kenwyne at times but I take your point. How sad that after around £100M spent on strikers we still haven't ever replaced the half million quid Jamaican.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 20, 2018 19:29:40 GMT
With Ethers and Pennant on the wings we really looked exciting in many games in my opinion, especially at home.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Dec 20, 2018 19:32:54 GMT
With Ethers and Pennant on the wings we really looked exciting in many games in my opinion, especially at home. Don't forget Salif Diao. An absolute joy to watch in the middle of the park. Majestic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 20:14:55 GMT
Yeah but premium Pulis had Ricardo Fuller up front. He made Pulis' football watchable. We still played some decent stuff at times with Beattie up front and even Kenwyne at times but I take your point. How sad that after around £100M spent on strikers we still haven't ever replaced the half million quid Jamaican. Yeah you're right we did. If only Kenwynne could have been arsed. Fuller would take some replacing to be fair, he's one of those once in a generation players that clubs like us get, but to think of some of the garbage we've had up front since then considering the money we have had at our disposal is bordering on insane. Looks like Hughes missed the biggest trick by not playing Arnie up front, can you imagine having them again and playing Arnie up front with Shaq in the hole behind him?
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Post by AlanHansen on Dec 22, 2018 22:38:42 GMT
Miles fucking worse. Abject shite.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 22, 2018 23:04:41 GMT
At home yes whereas away with more space we look a lot better.
The big difference is Pulis played to a plan namely making us very physically strong so we would bully teams and a real threat from set pieces.
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