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Post by RAF on Dec 11, 2018 16:34:43 GMT
The same bloke who had unprecedented financial backing? That Pulis you mean? And if you are going to patronize someone get your facts about Europe correct. I'll let you google then apologise. H Pulis took us to the promised land with a record transfer fee paid of just over 1 million quid for Ryan and Leon Cort. Sure inflation has got hold of things since then but not 18 fold as it would have to. I don't need to Google pre-Pulis Europe campaigns, I was there last time around. We won the home leg of a UEFA tie against FC Kaiserslautern 3-1 but went on to lose the away leg 4-0 and so lost the match and exited the competition at the first hurdle. If you want to call that a win then go for it, it didn't feel much like one. Come on Gods you know I'm a pedantic prick, of course I'm referring to that, and don't forget our Anglo-Italian wins unless you don't count those as European matches either, joyless or not! H ;)
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Post by RAF on Dec 11, 2018 16:36:22 GMT
Pulis is history. Comparisons are irrelevant. Rowett has yet to truly stamp his identity on the team, but a pattern and style is slowly emerging, helped by a fully fit Ince and a free from injury Clucas. Yes, it can be a hard watch, but we are starting to control games and an unbeaten 8 game run is not to be sniffed at. We will see if it holds up to games versus Villa, Brum and Leeds over the next month, but we are no doubt visible in the rear view mirrors of the top 6 and I am sure they are starting to take notice. We have a transfer window coming up next month too, where the owners will most likely be prepared to back the manager if he feels there are players available at the right price that can add to the squad. After the mess Rowett found at the club in the summer, which probably even surprised him as to its magnitude, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for now, and not measuring him against a manager who left the club five years ago. When your conscience kicks in (and I'm not just talking about money) feel free to send me that £20 you owe me. Otherwise, I hope everything's hunky dory in your island paradise. I'm sensing tension! H
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Post by Gods on Dec 11, 2018 16:44:10 GMT
Pulis took us to the promised land with a record transfer fee paid of just over 1 million quid for Ryan and Leon Cort. Sure inflation has got hold of things since then but not 18 fold as it would have to. I don't need to Google pre-Pulis Europe campaigns, I was there last time around. We won the home leg of a UEFA tie against FC Kaiserslautern 3-1 but went on to lose the away leg 4-0 and so lost the match and exited the competition at the first hurdle. If you want to call that a win then go for it, it didn't feel much like one. Come on Gods you know I'm a pedantic prick, of course I'm referring to that, and don't forget our Anglo-Italian wins unless you don't count those as European matches either, joyless or not! H Fair do's RAF :-)
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 11, 2018 16:45:25 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable.
Rowett strikes me as a wanker.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 11, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. In which parallel universe was Pulis likeable?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 18:45:27 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. In which parallel universe was Pulis likeable? The universe where history gets re-written to suit an argument.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 11, 2018 18:49:43 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. Lol. Liked by who?
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Post by simple on Dec 11, 2018 19:33:51 GMT
You cannot compare the two different times different circumstances.Pullis saved us from relagation with shit signing like Taggert,Crossley and Akinbye. He then left and came back and got us into the Premiership and doubled the crowd. He then brought in shit players that got us to a cup final and into Europe.But us supporters wanted the next level we’ll thats where we are now.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 11, 2018 19:41:23 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. Likeable ? the man was a arrogant wanker who thought we should settle for second best because we are little old stoke and we should be honoured to lose to Liverpool etc (don't forget he said Bristol City where a bigger and better club when he turned us down first time around) people have short memories .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 20:57:43 GMT
Yes massively. The two years before the prem were relatively attack minded. Memory foggs a little in the previous spell, but with his comparative budget then and Rowett's now, I'm going to go also yes.
Is it worse than his senile last days? Not sure about that but it's equally as timid at very least.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 12, 2018 12:57:32 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. Likeable ? the man was a arrogant wanker who thought we should settle for second best because we are little old stoke and we should be honoured to lose to Liverpool etc (don't forget he said Bristol City where a bigger and better club when he turned us down first time around) people have short memories . I don't have a short memory what so ever. Those who know TP, know he's a great man.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 12, 2018 13:02:42 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. I dont think even Tone's wife would describe him as "likeable"
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 12, 2018 13:56:12 GMT
I mean, seriously? Pulis' dross wasn't as bad as this was it? 2 shots on target, against that Ipswich defence, with the first one coming after 47 minutes. Pulis split the support down the middle whereas everyone seems to unanimously agree that Rowett is woeful. No. And that's from a committed Pulista till very close to the end. There's usually at least 5 watchable minutes in a Rowett game. Under Tone we could go weeks and watching paint dry was better (I got to like paint . But do we need to learn to play this way again before attempting more? Shit yes yes and yes.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 12, 2018 14:03:06 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. Lol. Liked by who? Be fair, he was a bastard but he was OUR bastard
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 12, 2018 14:04:22 GMT
At least Pulis was likeable. Rowett strikes me as a wanker. Likeable ? the man was a arrogant wanker who thought we should settle for second best because we are little old stoke and we should be honoured to lose to Liverpool etc (don't forget he said Bristol City where a bigger and better club when he turned us down first time around) people have short memories . That's all the steak and chips, too much messes with your head
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Post by senojbor on Dec 12, 2018 14:22:00 GMT
The vast majority of supporters would have Pulis back in an instant. This message board is not representative of mainstream supporters who gave him a decent enough reception a few weeks ago.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 12, 2018 14:25:11 GMT
The vast majority of supporters would have Pulis back in an instant. This message board is not representative of mainstream supporters who gave him a decent enough reception a few weeks ago. Lol, OK mate.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 12, 2018 14:35:56 GMT
Likeable ? the man was a arrogant wanker who thought we should settle for second best because we are little old stoke and we should be honoured to lose to Liverpool etc (don't forget he said Bristol City where a bigger and better club when he turned us down first time around) people have short memories . I don't have a short memory what so ever. Those who know TP, know he's a great man. Thats because i think you are him because only he could come out with the great man shit
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 12, 2018 14:37:39 GMT
The vast majority of supporters would have Pulis back in an instant. This message board is not representative of mainstream supporters who gave him a decent enough reception a few weeks ago. I think your wrong ,the vast majority would not have him back and thank god the family dont want him back '
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 12, 2018 14:48:14 GMT
IMHO I see the clever title of the OP has succeeded in doing what it was meant to do, it’s started a Pulis thread once again!!
When will posters with differing opinions simply let go, it really isn’t helpful for supporter unity or sanity in some cases. Arguments are ongoing about a former employee who left the club over five years ago and who has been succeeded by three different managers.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 12, 2018 14:49:47 GMT
Likeable ? the man was a arrogant wanker who thought we should settle for second best because we are little old stoke and we should be honoured to lose to Liverpool etc (don't forget he said Bristol City where a bigger and better club when he turned us down first time around) people have short memories . I don't have a short memory what so ever. Those who know TP, know he's a great man. 1 million percent incorrect. Everyone hated him at WBA, I know that.
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Post by Absolution on Dec 12, 2018 15:15:32 GMT
IMHO I see the clever title of the OP has succeeded in doing what it was meant to do, it’s started a Pulis thread once again!! When will posters with differing opinions simply let go, it really isn’t helpful for supporter unity or sanity in some cases. Arguments are ongoing about a former employee who left the club over five years ago and who has been succeeded by three different managers. If it doesn't start out as a Pulis thread, it generally ends up as one. Might as well get straight to the point.
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 12, 2018 15:15:45 GMT
We need to find a Fuller type player. Someone to get the fans on the edge of our seats. Very unlikely to find another Ric, but I can keep dreaming. can't help feeling Gary reckons Saido has that in him. it's true he's turned into a competent Champ player but I'm honestly not seeing much more yet. Ric was the signing of a lifetime. Then add Rory and invent the Mama role, that really was special.
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Post by Gods on Dec 12, 2018 15:18:12 GMT
Be fair, he was a bastard but he was OUR bastard I don't agree Sal, I found Tone to be warm and personable, or as warm and personable as a hugely successful football manager can be.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 12, 2018 15:32:40 GMT
Pulis got results. And Pulis gets results wherever he goes. He is in a different league to Rowett.
I could put up with low quality, negative football if it meant automatic promotion and a return to Premiershit stability.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 12, 2018 15:39:23 GMT
Pulis got results. And Pulis gets results wherever he goes. He is in a different league to Rowett. I could put up with low quality, negative football if it meant automatic promotion and a return to Premiershit stability. How do you know you wont get that with Rowett ,we are part way there already
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 12, 2018 20:59:02 GMT
Be fair, he was a bastard but he was OUR bastard I don't agree Sal, I found Tone to be warm and personable, or as warm and personable as a hugely successful football manager can be. I'm not saying I thought he was/is horrible or cold, just he was/is a notably hard man. I wouldn't fancy being on the wrong side of him, put it that way. Trying to remember the quote, I'll get it wrong probably but there was a brilliant High McIlvanney doc about the 3 great managers born only a few miles from each other, Busby, Shankly and Stein and I'm pretty sure this was Souness talking about Stein, who he said had 'that little bit of pure bastard every great manager must have'. Or words to that effect.
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Post by Gods on Dec 12, 2018 21:05:40 GMT
I don't agree Sal, I found Tone to be warm and personable, or as warm and personable as a hugely successful football manager can be. I'm not saying I thought he was/is horrible or cold, just he was/is a notably hard man. I wouldn't fancy being on the wrong side of him, put it that way. Trying to remember the quote, I'll get it wrong probably but there was a brilliant High McIlvanney doc about the 3 great managers born only a few miles from each other, Busby, Shankly and Stein and I'm pretty sure this was Souness talking about Stein, who he said had 'that little bit of pure bastard every great manager must have'. Or words to that effect. I love Hugh McIlvanney's writing !!
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Post by tosh on Dec 12, 2018 22:06:46 GMT
Pulis got results. And Pulis gets results wherever he goes. He is in a different league to Rowett. I could put up with low quality, negative football if it meant automatic promotion and a return to Premiershit stability. How do you know you wont get that with Rowett ,we are part way there already Part way to automatic promotion? Really.? At the start of our better run of eight games unbeaten we were 5 points off the playoffs. At the end of it we are 6 points away, ie. we have lost rather than gained ground. Norwich and Leeds have averaged 2 points a game so far. While we took 14 points from 8 games they took 22 points and 21 points respectively. If they kept that up we would need 2.5 points per game for the next 25 games, thanks to our bad start. That means we could just about afford 2 losses and 3 draws to go with 20 wins over the next 25 games, to enable us to get up with the top two on 90 ish points. The two automatically promoted teams did achieve this number of points last year. We just don’t look anything like a team that could do that. On what we’ve seen so far sneaking into the play-offs seems our only hope, but I wouldn’t like to put too much money on it, unless Rowett drastically and successfully changes his methods and tactics, which at the moment doesn’t seem very likely. It has really been a very poor start by this manager to our recovery imo, taking account of money spent and wage roll in relation to our competitor clubs
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 13, 2018 21:53:16 GMT
You would moan if Guardiola was in charge. Thats you. SGS
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