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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 8, 2018 13:21:18 GMT
Mock outrage? Thank Christ people are outraged by this type of behaviour. Imagine what the world would look like if people didn't speak out against the behaviour of these absolute scumbags. If animals behaved in such a way they'd be put down. Well thank god we've got you and your fellow Dail Mail readers on here to express that outrage for us. You'll probably get a medal or something from Tideswell and his Stoke-hating cronies in the local media. I agree with Dave. I would never buy the Daily Mail, a newspaper I despise. I don’t know who Tideswell is. And I certainly don’t hate Stoke City.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 13:25:47 GMT
I'd be very interested to know the rationale of Port Vale in opening the Railway Paddock to home fans, right next to the away stand, when the Bycars End was closed and empty. I might be wrong on this one but surely that would have been easier to segregate, if a bit more difficult to Police a wider area?
I'm also interested in the logic of selling alcohol on the night?
I appreciate we live in a society whereby we should be able to trust adults to drink and behave (no really) but this was a special occasion wasn't it? Not played each other for 16 years, both sets of supporters have a very rogue element and a long history of trouble during the two fixtures.
Would it have really hurt to implement better segregation and restrict alcohol sales on the night?
I'm not naive to say that would have restricted the trouble to nothing but surely it would have calmed things down a bit to a more acceptable level whereby Police are not removing stewards from the situation, and are able to deal with it much better themselves?
From a very distant viewpoint, it seems a lot of lessons could and should be learned from this on both sides of the fence.
I'm hoping and trusting Port Vale will do their bit and not just resort to the stock position of playing the 'woe is me' card on this one.
To be fair though mate. Why should Vale have to close the Paddock. Yes I understand it's close to the away end but it's Vales most popular end and our designated home end. Would Stoke fans take kindly if an away club demanded Stoke shut the Boothen because they are scared a few morons might kick off. Surely fans should be able to enjoy a game of football, have banter without behaving like fucking animals. Ok, what about closing half of it and using the upper and lower tier on the other side of the halfway line with both segregation netting and stewarding? Was that not an option that could have helped at all, and still satisfied the needs of the home fans? I agree there should be no trouble at all at any game but both sets of fans have been involved in nonsense spanning many years. Coming at the problem from one angle and just pointing at Stoke fans won't solve a thing here. That I can be sure of.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 8, 2018 13:40:54 GMT
OMG. Checkatrade draw Sunderland v Newcastle U21 🙄
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Post by crazyhorse on Dec 8, 2018 13:48:08 GMT
Well thank god we've got you and your fellow Dail Mail readers on here to express that outrage for us. You'll probably get a medal or something from Tideswell and his Stoke-hating cronies in the local media. I agree with Dave. I would never buy the Daily Mail, a newspaper I despise. I don’t know who Tideswell is. And I certainly don’t hate Stoke City. So you agree with "Dail Mail Dave" that the perpetrators of those heinous crimes on Tuesday are not human beings but are in fact vermin? Interesting view, if biologically inaccurate... ..and you don't know that Martin "I'm Vale till I die" Tideswell is Editor-in-Chief of the Evening Sentivale? I'm surprised, especially as you and the other "outraged of Trentham" and "disgusted of Meir Park" types have been assisting him and his shit-rag newsaper in gleefully sticking the knife into Stoke City and it's fans over the last few days.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 8, 2018 14:27:29 GMT
I agree with Dave. I would never buy the Daily Mail, a newspaper I despise. I don’t know who Tideswell is. And I certainly don’t hate Stoke City. So you agree with "Dail Mail Dave" that the perpetrators of those heinous crimes on Tuesday are not human beings but are in fact vermin? Interesting view, if biologically inaccurate... ..and you don't know that Martin "I'm Vale till I die" Tideswell is Editor-in-Chief of the Evening Sentivale? I'm surprised, especially as you and the other "outraged of Trentham" and "disgusted of Meir Park" types have been assisting him and his shit-rag newsaper in gleefully sticking the knife into Stoke City and it's fans over the last few days. No of course I don’t if you take it literally. But I agree that the behaviour is unacceptable and in many respects animal-like. I live in Manchester so don’t normally read the Sentinel unless I have reason to look at it on line. I now know the name of the editor for which I thank you. I am very happy to be judged by my record in supporting Stoke fans. I never post or write anything using a pseudonym unlike “outraged of Trentham” or most on this Board.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 8, 2018 14:33:09 GMT
And I certainly haven’t been “sticking the knife into Stoke City fans” 🙄 Just calling out some unacceptable behaviour by a small number who are seriously damaging our collective reputation
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Post by stantheman on Dec 8, 2018 14:41:28 GMT
I'd be very interested to know the rationale of Port Vale in opening the Railway Paddock to home fans, right next to the away stand, when the Bycars End was closed and empty. I might be wrong on this one but surely that would have been easier to segregate, if a bit more difficult to Police a wider area? I'm also interested in the logic of selling alcohol on the night? I appreciate we live in a society whereby we should be able to trust adults to drink and behave (no really) but this was a special occasion wasn't it? Not played each other for 16 years, both sets of supporters have a very rogue element and a long history of trouble during the two fixtures. Would it have really hurt to implement better segregation and restrict alcohol sales on the night? I'm not naive to say that would have restricted the trouble to nothing but surely it would have calmed things down a bit to a more acceptable level whereby Police are not removing stewards from the situation, and are able to deal with it much better themselves? From a very distant viewpoint, it seems a lot of lessons could and should be learned from this on both sides of the fence. I'm hoping and trusting Port Vale will do their bit and not just resort to the stock position of playing the 'woe is me' card on this one.
To be fair though mate. Why should Vale have to close the Paddock. Yes I understand it's close to the away end but it's Vales most popular end and our designated home end. Would Stoke fans take kindly if an away club demanded Stoke shut the Boothen because they are scared a few morons might kick off. Surely fans should be able to enjoy a game of football, have banter without behaving like fucking animals. So less than 4,000 of your lot attended the match with 3 full stands to put them in, and yet so many were so keen to get so close to tbe away support. The Railway Satand should have been shut from the halfway line, and Policed correctly, as a bare minimum
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2018 17:02:52 GMT
OMG. Checkatrade draw Sunderland v Newcastle U21 🙄 Case workers on high alert...
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 8, 2018 17:06:51 GMT
OMG. Checkatrade draw Sunderland v Newcastle U21 🙄 Case workers on high alert... Horses on high alert.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Dec 8, 2018 17:57:01 GMT
I agree with Dave. I would never buy the Daily Mail, a newspaper I despise. I don’t know who Tideswell is. And I certainly don’t hate Stoke City. So you agree with "Dail Mail Dave" that the perpetrators of those heinous crimes on Tuesday are not human beings but are in fact vermin? Interesting view, if biologically inaccurate... ..and you don't know that Martin "I'm Vale till I die" Tideswell is Editor-in-Chief of the Evening Sentivale? I'm surprised, especially as you and the other "outraged of Trentham" and "disgusted of Meir Park" types have been assisting him and his shit-rag newsaper in gleefully sticking the knife into Stoke City and it's fans over the last few days. Sounds like you'd defend a murderer if they supported Stoke. And yes, people who enjoy causing harm to others and vandalising other people's property are vermin. What else would you call them? Naughty little boys? I also don't read the daily mail so it seems your judge-ometer is way off target. If I had to hazard a guess at your paper of choice, I'd probably plump for the daily express, they seem to support thugs too.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 8, 2018 19:13:04 GMT
Another Vale v Stoke thread shocker.
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Post by ange1 on Dec 8, 2018 20:52:57 GMT
The Supportes Council will always do the best it can for our fans. My personal view on payment for the damage done at Port Vale is that those who caused the damage should be made to pay when, (if) found and brought to justice. I think it is inevitable that clubs will look at our fixtures when we visit stadia and possibly review our allocation as well.
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Post by hooftastic on Dec 8, 2018 21:04:57 GMT
As with any other instance of criminal damage isn't it a police matter and nothing to do with SCFC? Surely that's the only (legal) stance we have to take.
The toilet trashers should be found and charged.
Some people seem to have forgotten a lot of the attitudes and sentiments sent our way in the 90s from that vile club, and that den of nonces down the A500. I'd happily watch them both burn.
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Post by Waggy on Dec 8, 2018 21:18:12 GMT
I understand why people are worried and i don't condone hooliganism of any kind. What does get my blood boiling a bit is the fact that other fans say about stoke - horrible club, horrible fans. This to me is the reputation of our club from the early premier league days and how we were portrayed as a thug club by the media and foreign managers who wanted an easy ride against a club that should be easily beaten. Malcolm, other fans eg Arsenal at White Hart Lane - trashed toilets, threw advertisment boards at stewards and police and threw coins at Spurs fans, liverpool fans and Manchester United fans fighting and throwing flares at each other in that european semi final, Port Vale fans causing trouble, vandalising at crewe and there are many more incidents. If Stoke City recieve reduced ticket allocations and other teams violence are treated as one offs then the supporters council should fight our corner all the way. I think there was a time when our record was considerably worse than average but that was a long time ago. You are right that these reputions take a long time to shake off. We had done that after many successive years of low arrests etc. The danger is that Tuesday has put us back in that spotlight big style. I can’t speak for the Supporters Council but the FSF and the Supporters Club will certainly fight our corner - not literally of course 😄 Malcolm, we are no worse than any other club but the media hating Stoke brigade we need to stop.
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Post by Waggy on Dec 8, 2018 21:19:12 GMT
Well thank god we've got you and your fellow Dail Mail readers on here to express that outrage for us. You'll probably get a medal or something from Tideswell and his Stoke-hating cronies in the local media. I agree with Dave. I would never buy the Daily Mail, a newspaper I despise. I don’t know who Tideswell is. And I certainly don’t hate Stoke City. Tideswell is a cretin
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 9, 2018 20:51:04 GMT
The Supportes Council will always do the best it can for our fans. My personal view on payment for the damage done at Port Vale is that those who caused the damage should be made to pay when, (if) found and brought to justice. I think it is inevitable that clubs will look at our fixtures when we visit stadia and possibly review our allocation as well. Whilst I think many would support the principle of that, in practice it is highly unlikely to be a viable way of paying for other than a very small proportion of the damage. Given the scale of the damage, e.g the number of seats ripped out, it is unlikely that all, or even a majority, of the perpetrators will be charged and found guilty, and, on past form, there is also a high probability that most of those who are will not have the means to pay for the damage in anything other than a long timescale.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 21:02:56 GMT
The Supportes Council will always do the best it can for our fans. My personal view on payment for the damage done at Port Vale is that those who caused the damage should be made to pay when, (if) found and brought to justice. I think it is inevitable that clubs will look at our fixtures when we visit stadia and possibly review our allocation as well. Whilst I think many would support the principle of that, in practice it is highly unlikely to be a viable way of paying for other than a very small proportion of the damage. Given the scale of the damage, e.g the number of seats ripped out, it is unlikely that all, or even a majority, of the perpetrators will be charged and found guilty, and, on past form, there is also a high probability that most of those who are will not have the means to pay for the damage in anything other than a long timescale. I’d love to see Smurthwaite’s £100k worth of damage broken down. I happen to think Stoke should pay for the damage as a goodwill gesture, but that’s taking the mickey......
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2018 21:45:11 GMT
So you agree with "Dail Mail Dave" that the perpetrators of those heinous crimes on Tuesday are not human beings but are in fact vermin? Interesting view, if biologically inaccurate... ..and you don't know that Martin "I'm Vale till I die" Tideswell is Editor-in-Chief of the Evening Sentivale? I'm surprised, especially as you and the other "outraged of Trentham" and "disgusted of Meir Park" types have been assisting him and his shit-rag newsaper in gleefully sticking the knife into Stoke City and it's fans over the last few days. Sounds like you'd defend a murderer if they supported Stoke. And yes, people who enjoy causing harm to others and vandalising other people's property are vermin. What else would you call them? Naughty little boys? I also don't read the daily mail so it seems your judge-ometer is way off target. If I had to hazard a guess at your paper of choice, I'd probably plump for the daily express, they seem to support thugs too. Have we got any examples to back up your last comment?
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Post by Dave the Rave on Dec 9, 2018 22:03:47 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Dec 10, 2018 11:36:15 GMT
Whilst I think many would support the principle of that, in practice it is highly unlikely to be a viable way of paying for other than a very small proportion of the damage. Given the scale of the damage, e.g the number of seats ripped out, it is unlikely that all, or even a majority, of the perpetrators will be charged and found guilty, and, on past form, there is also a high probability that most of those who are will not have the means to pay for the damage in anything other than a long timescale. I’d love to see Smurthwaite’s £100k worth of damage broken down. I happen to think Stoke should pay for the damage as a goodwill gesture, but that’s taking the mickey...... I think he got the words 'stand' and 'stadium' a bit mixed up when asked for a cost to bring it into the 21st century!
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Post by metalhead on Dec 10, 2018 16:18:21 GMT
Our FSF caseworker and the Vale Supporters Liaison Officer have spent much of the week dealing with the case of a 9 year old Stoke fan who was accidentally hit in the face by a police baton. I can’t say more because the family don’t want publicity. Is that “busy body” or “over reaction “ ? I don’t think so. Both clubs and the police have been excellent about it. The police have been getting away with accidentally hitting football fans with batons for years, biggest hooligans on this earth. It's the same accidental baton that hit my 64 year old dad when leaving the Cardiff game a few years ago. You have to be careful with these modern batons.... they have a mind of their own. Honestly Malcolm, we are abused and given so much stick and other fans simply get away with it. Naturally, when Stoke fans act like utter twats, it's a national story with people suggesting it was like the 80's. Behave, it really wasn't. It was bad, yes, but it wasn't the 80's.
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Post by santy on Dec 11, 2018 10:48:49 GMT
The Supportes Council will always do the best it can for our fans. My personal view on payment for the damage done at Port Vale is that those who caused the damage should be made to pay when, (if) found and brought to justice. I think it is inevitable that clubs will look at our fixtures when we visit stadia and possibly review our allocation as well. Whilst I think many would support the principle of that, in practice it is highly unlikely to be a viable way of paying for other than a very small proportion of the damage. Given the scale of the damage, e.g the number of seats ripped out, it is unlikely that all, or even a majority, of the perpetrators will be charged and found guilty, and, on past form, there is also a high probability that most of those who are will not have the means to pay for the damage in anything other than a long timescale. You may be better positioned to know the answer, but in the event of ground troubles are the club of the fans in question then liable to pay for damages? We've seen various bits and pieces down the years in the away end at Stoke, so if its standard business for the opposition to pay then it's probably not too rough because undoubtedly little bits of money have been swapping hands between clubs regularly for years. I would've assumed though that this is something more under the remit of a clubs insurance, and that the insurers will presumably be the ones taking any attempt at reclamation of money since to them even if it takes someone 20 years they're happy to sit back and keep the small amount coming in monthly.
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Post by ricardocomeback on Dec 11, 2018 11:37:32 GMT
Can't believe our Chairman hasnt made a phone call and instantly agreed to pay for the mindless damage. It also baffles me that he didnt come out before the game to say that any troublemakers would receive life bans, this would have solved a lot of the shocking events at the game. Peter Coates was at the game to witness this for himself and yet his silence on this appauling.
Show some class Peter and dig deep!!!
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Post by flea79 on Dec 11, 2018 11:39:43 GMT
Can't believe our Chairman hasnt made a phone call and instantly agreed to pay for the mindless damage. It also baffles me that he didnt come out before the game to say that any troublemakers would receive life bans, this would have solved a lot of the shocking events at the game. Peter Coates was at the game to witness this for himself and yet his silence on this appauling. Show some class Peter and dig deep!!!
sorry but fuck the vale and the money grabbing cuss that is the fat controller at vale, did we seek recompense when vale damaged our away end? he will have insurance
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Post by ricardocomeback on Dec 11, 2018 11:41:33 GMT
Last reply shows the mentality of so many on here!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 11, 2018 11:41:55 GMT
Nice to see we're letting this issue go...
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Post by ricardocomeback on Dec 11, 2018 11:42:50 GMT
PC needs to do the decent thing!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 11, 2018 11:44:55 GMT
PC needs to do the decent thing! How do you know he isn't going to pay for it?!
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 11, 2018 11:45:41 GMT
Give it a rest- Coates doesn't have to do anything for the Vale
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Post by ricardocomeback on Dec 11, 2018 11:46:50 GMT
If he intended to do that then why not make a statement to say so, it smacks of burying his head in the sand. Shocking PR from Stoke again!
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