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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2018 20:34:06 GMT
Pep Guardiola selected him over 100 times, was he wrong? Maybe we should ask Man C if they want to buy him then Guardiola rated him very highly, Rowett doesn't rate him. Who do you think is the better judge of a footballer?
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 6, 2018 20:35:32 GMT
We don’t need Bojan when we have the Irish Messi
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 20:44:26 GMT
Maybe we should ask Man C if they want to buy him then Guardiola rated him very highly, Rowett doesn't rate him. Who do you think is the better judge of a footballer? You
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2018 20:49:33 GMT
Guardiola rated him very highly, Rowett doesn't rate him. Who do you think is the better judge of a footballer? You That goes without saying.
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Post by thicknthin on Dec 6, 2018 21:07:06 GMT
You don't think Rowett would have him in the team if he thought he could make a difference ? Of course he would The same goes for his loan managers and Hughes and even Ajax before. They can't all be wrong Why not? None of them have been successful without him. That might not tell you anything, but there's always a chance that it would. As for Rowett you inadvertently hit it right on the nail. Rowett doesn't even consider the possibility that Bojan could make a difference. Why? Because he hates the fact that Bojan, in pre season at least, was more popular than all the Rowett signings put together. I think you might be right, but It won't help him though unless his team start to perform better. The worse his football and the less Bojan plays the bigger his shadow gets. Fans want to be entertained.
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Post by generationex on Dec 6, 2018 21:08:01 GMT
You don't think Rowett would have him in the team if he thought he could make a difference ? Of course he would The same goes for his loan managers and Hughes and even Ajax before. They can't all be wrong Pep Guardiola selected him over 100 times, was he wrong? That rather implies that something went wrong though doesn’t it? Let’s be frank - if he was half the player he was he would never have played for stoke city. He was a great player, still a good player, but the idea that we should build a team around him is a dangerous concept. Probably more so now we’re back in the second division.
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Post by zigazaga on Dec 6, 2018 21:09:40 GMT
Broken player. Sick of hearing about him. Cancel his contract and lets crack on and look to the future.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 21:16:17 GMT
Pep Guardiola selected him over 100 times, was he wrong? That rather implies that something went wrong though doesn’t it? Let’s be frank - if he was half the player he was he would never have played for stoke city. He was a great player, still a good player, but the idea that we should build a team around him is a dangerous concept. Probably more so now we’re back in the second division. He's the best player we have by a mile. whether he's at 100% or not.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2018 21:18:32 GMT
Pep Guardiola selected him over 100 times, was he wrong? That rather implies that something went wrong though doesn’t it? Let’s be frank - if he was half the player he was he would never have played for stoke city. He was a great player, still a good player, but the idea that we should build a team around him is a dangerous concept. Probably more so now we’re back in the second division. I quite agree with you, I just find it frustrating that we have such a talent on our hands and he's not even making the bench.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 6, 2018 21:50:18 GMT
Broken player. Sick of hearing about him. Cancel his contract and lets crack on and look to the future. 😂 What future??? Riots and arrests? Being linked with Louis moult? The inevitable debt? If rather give bojan a go, oh and play as is we want to actually win the entire game
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 6, 2018 22:08:38 GMT
At 28, you really do wonder where he goes from here. I’d have him in the squad and starting games but it’s obvious Rowett doesn’t fancy him and the return of Clucas has seen him drop out of the squad completely.
I’m not one for sentiment when it comes to millionaire footballers normally but Bojan does seem to have had his fair share of setbacks and disappointments, yet still seems like a great lad.
It will be a sad day when he leaves. That glorious period will be gone and forgotten about. He was the one who kicked it all off.
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Post by stokie1 on Dec 7, 2018 2:03:09 GMT
At 28, you really do wonder where he goes from here. I’d have him in the squad and starting games but it’s obvious Rowett doesn’t fancy him and the return of Clucas has seen him drop out of the squad completely. I’m not one for sentiment when it comes to millionaire footballers normally but Bojan does seem to have had his fair share of setbacks and disappointments, yet still seems like a great lad. It will be a sad day when he leaves. That glorious period will be gone and forgotten about. He was the one who kicked it all off. The glorious period was when we got promoted to the premier league, incredibly managed to stay up and then got to the Fa Cup final. Bojan was actually the start of the demise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 9:48:20 GMT
At 28, you really do wonder where he goes from here. I’d have him in the squad and starting games but it’s obvious Rowett doesn’t fancy him and the return of Clucas has seen him drop out of the squad completely. I’m not one for sentiment when it comes to millionaire footballers normally but Bojan does seem to have had his fair share of setbacks and disappointments, yet still seems like a great lad. It will be a sad day when he leaves. That glorious period will be gone and forgotten about. He was the one who kicked it all off. The glorious period was when we got promoted to the premier league, incredibly managed to stay up and then got to the Fa Cup final. Bojan was actually the start of the demise. So beating Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, and Everton was the start of our demise, and merely winning promotion and staying up was our glory? You know John Ritchie was right when he said that Stoke fans don't deserve a top team.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 7, 2018 10:17:12 GMT
At 28, you really do wonder where he goes from here. I’d have him in the squad and starting games but it’s obvious Rowett doesn’t fancy him and the return of Clucas has seen him drop out of the squad completely. I’m not one for sentiment when it comes to millionaire footballers normally but Bojan does seem to have had his fair share of setbacks and disappointments, yet still seems like a great lad. It will be a sad day when he leaves. That glorious period will be gone and forgotten about. He was the one who kicked it all off. The glorious period was when we got promoted to the premier league, incredibly managed to stay up and then got to the Fa Cup final. Bojan was actually the start of the demise. What a load of bollocks.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 7, 2018 11:10:11 GMT
It's a good thing Bojan doesn't read the Oatcake or the Sentinel, because if he did he would realise that a vast section of the fan base don't respect him at all and have never forgiven him for getting injured, for not being the player he was, for going out on loan, and for not turning on the magic in games when he wasn't even playing. He cannot however be unaware that his manager has no respect whatsoever for what he might bring to the team, and that the manager would rather play somebody with limited or no skill at all than run the risk that Bojan might win games for us, and since that is the state of the art, I find it difficult to believe that he is happy being here. Congratulations without doubt, the most ludicrous post ever, and there Has been plenty. That post is hardly the most ludicrous post ever to be seen on here Btw grammatically you should have written 'have been' and not 'Has been'
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 7, 2018 11:10:56 GMT
I think a lot of comments about Bojan don't make any sense any more to be honest. I also rated Bojan highly at one stage, and in his spell before that famous Rotherham game he was really immense for us, my opinion of course. Unfortunately he has hardly ever after coming back showed that he is remotely the same player. Of course he can show a moment of magic now and then, but there certainly are reasons why he struggled both in Germany and Spain to establish himself on those mediocre teams. If he had been their possible star player he would have got games. I think it's the same for us actually, when given the chance he hasn't taken it. I know he scored against Rotherham, but still he hasn't stood out in any way. I must say for me we have reached a point where I think both Stoke City and Bojan would be better off by parting company. Because of this I think the only sensible thing in January would be to offload him if a reasonable bid comes in. Certainly a player that was worth the gamble and at one point looked the real deal, but unfortunately it has tailed off.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 7, 2018 11:16:48 GMT
Either successive managers are missing a huge trick with Bojan or his emotional problems as reported earlier are affecting him more than we know. Rowett is a frustrating manager that's for sure, his game management leaves much to be desired as far as I'm concerned and it leaves many of us wondering if he's just anti-creativity in his philosophy. Tbh that sort of thinking seems to prevail at Stoke so it must be coming from the top.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 11:19:42 GMT
I think a lot of comments about Bojan don't make any sense any more to be honest. I also rated Bojan highly at one stage, and in his spell before that famous Rotherham game he was really immense for us, my opinion of course. Unfortunately he has hardly ever after coming back showed that he is remotely the same player. Of course he can show a moment of magic now and then, but there certainly are reasons why he struggled both in Germany and Spain to establish himself on those mediocre teams. If he had been their possible star player he would have got games. I think it's the same for us actually, when given the chance he hasn't taken it. I know he scored against Rotherham, but still he hasn't stood out in any way. I must say for me we have reached a point where I think both Stoke City and Bojan would be better off by parting company. Because of this I think the only sensible thing in January would be to offload him if a reasonable bid comes in. Certainly a player that was worth the gamble and at one point looked the real deal, but unfortunately it has tailed off. It's worth remembering that some of Bojan's finest games for Stoke happend after he was injured and was out for a long spell. The injury has just become a convenient excuse for those that don't rate him.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 7, 2018 11:40:48 GMT
I think a lot of comments about Bojan don't make any sense any more to be honest. I also rated Bojan highly at one stage, and in his spell before that famous Rotherham game he was really immense for us, my opinion of course. Unfortunately he has hardly ever after coming back showed that he is remotely the same player. Of course he can show a moment of magic now and then, but there certainly are reasons why he struggled both in Germany and Spain to establish himself on those mediocre teams. If he had been their possible star player he would have got games. I think it's the same for us actually, when given the chance he hasn't taken it. I know he scored against Rotherham, but still he hasn't stood out in any way. I must say for me we have reached a point where I think both Stoke City and Bojan would be better off by parting company. Because of this I think the only sensible thing in January would be to offload him if a reasonable bid comes in. Certainly a player that was worth the gamble and at one point looked the real deal, but unfortunately it has tailed off. It's worth remembering that some of Bojan's finest games for Stoke happend after he was injured and was out for a long spell. The injury has just become a convenient excuse for those that don't rate him. Ok, if you want it to look as an excuse that's OK for me, but still I think what I say is a correct description of the situation.
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Post by misii30 on Dec 7, 2018 11:45:41 GMT
I think a lot of comments about Bojan don't make any sense any more to be honest. I also rated Bojan highly at one stage, and in his spell before that famous Rotherham game he was really immense for us, my opinion of course. Unfortunately he has hardly ever after coming back showed that he is remotely the same player. Of course he can show a moment of magic now and then, but there certainly are reasons why he struggled both in Germany and Spain to establish himself on those mediocre teams. If he had been their possible star player he would have got games. I think it's the same for us actually, when given the chance he hasn't taken it. I know he scored against Rotherham, but still he hasn't stood out in any way. I must say for me we have reached a point where I think both Stoke City and Bojan would be better off by parting company. Because of this I think the only sensible thing in January would be to offload him if a reasonable bid comes in. Certainly a player that was worth the gamble and at one point looked the real deal, but unfortunately it has tailed off. People like to talk about his loans a lot without actually having any idea what was happening at the time. At Mainz he played well towards the end of the season (I watched all their matches after the loan deal), after getting in to the team. It has been a pattern throughout Bojans whole career that he needs some time to get going after a move or managerial change. He needs to feel appreciated to perform. The Alavés case has 0 to do with Bojan's ability or application. The board decided a few months after signing him that all the "Big Stars" of the team have to be offloaded - especially the ones on loan. He wasn't the only one to be handled like that, but their manager is on the record saying that the reason he's not playing Bojan is because of a direct order from above. Maybe Bojan isn't the world beater he looked like being in his first season here but what's damn sure is that he's good enough for us at this particular moment in time. Also with that comment about him "not standing out" from the others we can see the fact that he tends to be judged by a higher standard than other players in the squad. He has to be the best player on the pitch every time, even though he might only get 10 minutes worth of game time per match. Otherwise he hasn't been good enough.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 7, 2018 11:49:00 GMT
I think a lot of comments about Bojan don't make any sense any more to be honest. I also rated Bojan highly at one stage, and in his spell before that famous Rotherham game he was really immense for us, my opinion of course. Unfortunately he has hardly ever after coming back showed that he is remotely the same player. Of course he can show a moment of magic now and then, but there certainly are reasons why he struggled both in Germany and Spain to establish himself on those mediocre teams. If he had been their possible star player he would have got games. I think it's the same for us actually, when given the chance he hasn't taken it. I know he scored against Rotherham, but still he hasn't stood out in any way. I must say for me we have reached a point where I think both Stoke City and Bojan would be better off by parting company. Because of this I think the only sensible thing in January would be to offload him if a reasonable bid comes in. Certainly a player that was worth the gamble and at one point looked the real deal, but unfortunately it has tailed off. People like to talk about his loans a lot without actually having any idea what was happening at the time. At Mainz he played well towards the end of the season (I watched all their matches after the loan deal), after getting in to the team. It has been a pattern throughout Bojans whole career that he needs some time to get going after a move or managerial change. He needs to feel appreciated to perform. The Alavés case has 0 to do with Bojan's ability or application. The board decided a few months after signing him that all the "Big Stars" of the team have to be offloaded - especially the ones on loan. He wasn't the only one to be handled like that, but their manager is on the record saying that the reason he's not playing Bojan is because of a direct order from above. Maybe Bojan isn't the world beater he looked like being in his first season here but what's damn sure is that he's good enough for us at this particular moment in time. You might be damn sure, but a lot of others, included me, isn't damn sure, at least that's for sure!
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Post by juiceandbits on Dec 7, 2018 14:25:00 GMT
At 28, you really do wonder where he goes from here. I’d have him in the squad and starting games but it’s obvious Rowett doesn’t fancy him and the return of Clucas has seen him drop out of the squad completely. I’m not one for sentiment when it comes to millionaire footballers normally but Bojan does seem to have had his fair share of setbacks and disappointments, yet still seems like a great lad. It will be a sad day when he leaves. That glorious period will be gone and forgotten about. He was the one who kicked it all off. I’ve never seen such excitement over a signing honestly. It was incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 16:39:22 GMT
People like to talk about his loans a lot without actually having any idea what was happening at the time. At Mainz he played well towards the end of the season (I watched all their matches after the loan deal), after getting in to the team. It has been a pattern throughout Bojans whole career that he needs some time to get going after a move or managerial change. He needs to feel appreciated to perform. The Alavés case has 0 to do with Bojan's ability or application. The board decided a few months after signing him that all the "Big Stars" of the team have to be offloaded - especially the ones on loan. He wasn't the only one to be handled like that, but their manager is on the record saying that the reason he's not playing Bojan is because of a direct order from above. Maybe Bojan isn't the world beater he looked like being in his first season here but what's damn sure is that he's good enough for us at this particular moment in time. You might be damn sure, but a lot of others, included me, isn't damn sure, at least that's for sure! Well if you're basing your opinions on hearsay and guesswork, and not on fact like misii does, how can you be sure?
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 7, 2018 19:41:11 GMT
You might be damn sure, but a lot of others, included me, isn't damn sure, at least that's for sure! Well if you're basing your opinions on hearsay and guesswork, and not on fact like misii does, how can you be sure? To be perfectly honest I think I've seen more than enough of Bojan to have an opinion. I must say I think a lot of his present admirers seem to be stuck in some print from the past, but right now I agree with Rowett as I really can't see he has the ability to make a big impression on any game in this league. Not enough pace, not strong enough, not enough work rate, not enough physical presense and finally he doesn't know how to tackle. On his best he was a creative spark and certainly had goals in him, but unfortunately he isn't the same player any more. I really wish he was, but I'm sad to say he isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 9:15:50 GMT
Well if you're basing your opinions on hearsay and guesswork, and not on fact like misii does, how can you be sure? To be perfectly honest I think I've seen more than enough of Bojan to have an opinion. I must say I think a lot of his present admirers seem to be stuck in some print from the past, but right now I agree with Rowett as I really can't see he has the ability to make a big impression on any game in this league. Not enough pace, not strong enough, not enough work rate, not enough physical presense and finally he doesn't know how to tackle. On his best he was a creative spark and certainly had goals in him, but unfortunately he isn't the same player any more. I really wish he was, but I'm sad to say he isn't. 1)You were talking about his loan spells with Alaves and Mainz. How many games did you watch that had Bojan in the team? 2)You say he's isn't the same player any more. How many full games has Bojan played this season to justify your claim to be agreeable with Rowett?
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 8, 2018 9:40:56 GMT
To be perfectly honest I think I've seen more than enough of Bojan to have an opinion. I must say I think a lot of his present admirers seem to be stuck in some print from the past, but right now I agree with Rowett as I really can't see he has the ability to make a big impression on any game in this league. Not enough pace, not strong enough, not enough work rate, not enough physical presense and finally he doesn't know how to tackle. On his best he was a creative spark and certainly had goals in him, but unfortunately he isn't the same player any more. I really wish he was, but I'm sad to say he isn't. 1)You were talking about his loan spells with Alaves and Mainz. How many games did you watch that had Bojan in the team? 2)You say he's isn't the same player any more. How many full games has Bojan played this season to justify your claim to be agreeable with Rowett? I guess you understand that if a loan player shows his value to a team he will play? If you have others who can do the same job or better they will be picked instead of him. In Alavez he was forced out because his contribution wasn't what they'd hoped for. If he had been unplayable he would have played. How many games has he had a big impact on when given the chance except for the Rotherham game? I was a fan of him, but has lost my faith.
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Post by stokierich on Dec 8, 2018 9:57:54 GMT
It's criminal how he's not been given a good run of games this season with how poor we've been, it's not like were doing well. It's been awful and we really have nothing to lose by giving him a good run in the side.
Now the one guy in our team who has the potential to a star in this league can't even make the bench and that to me tells you everything you need to know about Rowett.
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Post by stokierich on Dec 8, 2018 10:20:00 GMT
1)You were talking about his loan spells with Alaves and Mainz. How many games did you watch that had Bojan in the team? 2)You say he's isn't the same player any more. How many full games has Bojan played this season to justify your claim to be agreeable with Rowett? I guess you understand that if a loan player shows his value to a team he will play? If you have others who can do the same job or better they will be picked instead of him. In Alavez he was forced out because his contribution wasn't what they'd hoped for. If he had been unplayable he would have played. How many games has he had a big impact on when given the chance except for the Rotherham game? I was a fan of him, but has lost my faith. But really what have we got to lose by giving him good run in the side as a No.10? It's been shocking first half of the season. Personnel I really don't care what he has or hasn't done out on loan but what i know he was capable of and still might be with the right backing from the manager. If we had been doing well you could justify him not getting a run but it's been awful. Give him run of 10 games and see where we are, If it works great if not then we probably be in the same position anyway.
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 8, 2018 10:22:06 GMT
Play him Rowett you fucking coward
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 8, 2018 10:59:00 GMT
I guess you understand that if a loan player shows his value to a team he will play? If you have others who can do the same job or better they will be picked instead of him. In Alavez he was forced out because his contribution wasn't what they'd hoped for. If he had been unplayable he would have played. How many games has he had a big impact on when given the chance except for the Rotherham game? I was a fan of him, but has lost my faith. But really what have we got to lose by giving him good run in the side as a No.10? It's been shocking first half of the season. Personnel I really don't care what he has or hasn't done out on loan but what i know he was capable of and still might be with the right backing from the manager. If we had been doing well you could justify him not getting a run but it's been awful. Give him run of 10 games and see where we are, If it works great if not then we probably be in the same position anyway. Rowett and his staff can see him in training every day, and I guess he would play him if he believed he could make a difference. This is probably not the situation so he keeps him on the subs bench at best. Again, if he had stood out in training he would have been given the chance, I'm certain of that. I was where you are now at the start of the season and really hoped a new manager and a new league could bring the best out of him. I have realised though that this probably isn't going to happen. Bojan will probably never be the answer for Stoke City again, I really would wish I'm wrong, but I'm not any longer a believer.
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