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Post by mouseykanga2 on Dec 5, 2018 11:01:03 GMT
Not one of those players could get in a Sunday team..... Couldn't pick one out who was any good.
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Post by camstoke10 on Dec 5, 2018 11:06:24 GMT
The left back who came on second half looked great, new how to take a player on aswell
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Post by VolvicStokie on Dec 5, 2018 11:13:51 GMT
Under 21's, not back up players.
Several players played well if you cared to watch the actual match.
Haugaard was however, wank
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Post by mrred on Dec 5, 2018 11:18:44 GMT
Was the lack of pace that surprised me, was like watching the old guard under Hughes at times. There's a tidy winger that's absolutely rapid in the under 18's, forget the name. There was one or two tidy balls through to Campbell but they were few and far between. The gap between that level and first team football is absolutely massive though.
As Angela Smith said, that will be the biggest game some of them ever play in. There's no guarantee that any of them will get professional contracts.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 5, 2018 11:19:49 GMT
Under 21s really should be good enough to be back up players in the Championship.
If they are not you have to fear for their future and question the expense of the system.
As it stands hardly any are adequate for the task.
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Post by Davef on Dec 5, 2018 11:19:53 GMT
Honestly...
Nathan Collins is 17.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 5, 2018 11:27:32 GMT
Honestly... Nathan Collins is 17. Hes shit mate, not good enough, get rid  |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 5, 2018 11:28:05 GMT
They got past other senior sides to be in that position, and the majority are under the age of 20 backstopped by a Sunday League Keeper. A lot will not play professionally, some will however. But to write off all their careers based on one game against what was a pretty experienced senior side is pretty reactionary IMO.
It also goes to show just how special players like 18 year old Ryan Shawcross (who Man United never gave a senior start to and was written off much like here) are when they come along.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 5, 2018 12:00:17 GMT
Honestly... Nathan Collins is 17. Fair enough but I would imagine (and the stats may prove me entirely wrong) that the majority of good players (not just the superstars) are playing first team football by the time they are 18 or 19. It’s just a long drawn out death for the rest. |
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Post by jarhead on Dec 5, 2018 12:07:37 GMT
Haugarrd however is a fraud I’m convinced of it, did he win a Kellogg’s prize of pretending to be footballer for 4 years on about 5/10k a week! Fuckin disgusting we pay this tripe!
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 5, 2018 12:09:33 GMT
The only "back up" on show was Haugaard and we all know he's not good enough. In fact he's not even the back-up now we have Federici. He's a nowhere man, who shouldn't have been given a contract.
The rest are kids for fuck sake.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 5, 2018 12:09:41 GMT
Honestly... Nathan Collins is 17. Fair enough but I would imagine (and the stats may prove me entirely wrong) that the majority of good players (not just the superstars) are playing first team football by the time they are 18 or 19. It’s just a long drawn out death for the rest. Go through the top two leagues and count the teenagers who are starting regularly. We're talking single figures I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 12:12:44 GMT
They played well against Sunderland, Morecambe and Carlisle.
The OP may turn out to be correct but it's a bit harsh to criticise too much when they've shown they can compete in previous games. Vale played pretty much their strongest XI don't forget including seasoned campaigners such as Pope and Kay. They did also have 4 players who were 20/21 themselves including a couple of homegrown youngsters which probably highlights the benefits of playing regular competitive games instead of glorified kickabouts.....
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 5, 2018 12:14:41 GMT
I think our lads let the occasion get to them, none of them would have played in anything like that before.
It's fine, there is no crisis here - they'll learn. It'll be a good experience for them.
I don't know what a few of you expected? I always thought we'd be beaten - it was literally boys against men.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 5, 2018 12:16:18 GMT
Fair enough but I would imagine (and the stats may prove me entirely wrong) that the majority of good players (not just the superstars) are playing first team football by the time they are 18 or 19. It’s just a long drawn out death for the rest. Go through the top two leagues and count the teenagers who are starting regularly. We're talking single figures I think. I agree the numbers have gone down but you would at least expect them to be able to be significant players at lower league clubs when loaned out and even that doesn’t seem to happen with our crew. In some sports you can be a promising youngster up to your mid 20s (eg cricket) but I think in football you should be making a mark much earlier if the future is going to be rosy. If you are getting to the upper end of the under 23 range and still unable to look the business against div 2 sides it’s got to raise questions. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 12:19:54 GMT
Not one of those players could get in a Sunday team..... Couldn't pick one out who was any good. Clueless post, but wouldn’t expect anything else. |
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Post by sportsman on Dec 5, 2018 12:21:20 GMT
A couple of tricky wide players for us last night. Nice show of pace and trickery I thought
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 12:28:39 GMT
Honestly... Nathan Collins is 17. ...and only playing his second match after a long term injury. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 5, 2018 12:40:09 GMT
Tom Pope makes me laugh giving it the big one as if he was going up against Chiellini & Bonucci, when he was playing against kids.
Still, he’s used to battering women about so bullying a few kids will have felt like a normal day in the office.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 5, 2018 12:42:44 GMT
Collins was good.
The left back that came on looked decent.
For the rest it was men against boys as highlighted by the two corners that they had in quick succession where Tom pope was allowed to just linger at the back of the area all alone and without a care in the world.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 5, 2018 12:51:53 GMT
If we’re honest. Most of them will end up at teams like Vale. Our academy doesn’t have a great record of producing higher league talent
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 5, 2018 13:03:12 GMT
Verlinden went past their full back a few times with little difficulty and put decent balls in. The winger on the other side did the same. At times we looked ok but will little cutting edge. Oh how times change we were beaten by a physical side who relied on the long ball. I'd rather get relegated than watch that shit every week!  I guess it was good we did not play any overage players, from an experience point of view, but they did really need that. But that's not the point of these games. I don't think any U21 side has had particular success, in this competition, which is how it should be. |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 5, 2018 14:27:54 GMT
They got past other senior sides to be in that position, and the majority are under the age of 20 backstopped by a Sunday League Keeper. A lot will not play professionally, some will however. But to write off all their careers based on one game against what was a pretty experienced senior side is pretty reactionary IMO. It also goes to show just how special players like 18 year old Ryan Shawcross (who Man United never gave a senior start to and was written off much like here) are when they come along. You're right that he was special but nobody ever wrote Shawcross off. He progressed consistently as a youth at ManU, had a couple of successful loans and Fergie would have preferred to keep him but happened to have a bit of a surfeit of promising young centre-halves at the time. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 5, 2018 14:51:51 GMT
They played well against Sunderland, Morecambe and Carlisle. The OP may turn out to be correct but it's a bit harsh to criticise too much when they've shown they can compete in previous games. Vale played pretty much their strongest XI don't forget including seasoned campaigners such as Pope and Kay. They did also have 4 players who were 20/21 themselves including a couple of homegrown youngsters which probably highlights the benefits of playing regular competitive games instead of glorified kickabouts..... Nailed it here, competitive games. My unwashed mate informs me their right back is 20 and that Smith is 22. Both have played regular football. Vassell was in our academy and along with 3 others were playing non-league last season. The simple fact is they aren't very good and at best journeymen. However they are hardened to proper football. That is what pees me off, just when is Sweeney going to be good enough or indeed Tymon to a lesser extent. Forget Shenton he'll never play first team again. Not going to trawl the thread but someone else hit it bang on. The top 6 in Premier are nailed on bar the Leicester year. 7th 8th maybe Everton, Leicester. Everyone else is playing for 9th to 20th in a mini league. The money and pressure is too much to give kids a game. The same now applies in the Championship. If you are vying for promotion as we supposedly are then Rowett would get slaughtered if he played Campbell, Souttar and Shenton at Villa and got panned. It's sad to say and the harsh reality is that most clubs not just ours end up at the likes of Kidsgrove, Leek Town etc etc. Unless they get game time then they will not improve. Challenging for play-offs is not the time to throw youngsters to the wolves. So in essence when are they exactly going to get a game ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 15:03:19 GMT
Are some posters forgetting that the vale team has years of experience between them? Players like pope are decent low level players that have been around the block. They were just too clever, too seasoned and at this moment too good. The young lads showed glimpses of decent football. The major let down was the goalkeeper, absolutely appalling. But the others will gain valuable experience from that.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 5, 2018 16:47:06 GMT
Are some posters forgetting that the vale team has years of experience between them? Players like pope are decent low level players that have been around the block. They were just too clever, too seasoned and at this moment too good. The young lads showed glimpses of decent football. The major let down was the goalkeeper, absolutely appalling. But the others will gain valuable experience from that. Who is 26 anyway.  |
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Post by tomcmod on Dec 5, 2018 16:58:53 GMT
Verlinden looked good on the ball and as previously posted went past their full back with ease. I liked his defensive work rate too, I don't know he didn't get booked. It was like wilko had 1on1 with him before the match how he was going at them first half.
Campbell didn't really get much service and was feeding off scraps.
Also Niakate and Pemberton looked good/lively when they came on.
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Post by luke45 on Dec 5, 2018 17:43:10 GMT
Nathan Collins was very good, composed on the ball and confident trying to build attacks and definitely the pick of the defence. I thought Sorensen was good in midfield again as well, he's a player I could see making the step up and becoming a regular part of our first team squad in the next year or two, glad we've got his contract sorted for five more years.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 5, 2018 18:19:32 GMT
Haugarrd however is a fraud I’m convinced of it, did he win a Kellogg’s prize of pretending to be footballer for 4 years on about 5/10k a week! Fuckin disgusting we pay this tripe! Going off topic who was thaf guy who had a trial for Southampton when souness was in charge, they had a fake phone call off a fake George weah who recommended him to souness |
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Post by jarhead on Dec 5, 2018 19:14:21 GMT
James McClean I think.
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