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Post by troj on Dec 4, 2018 20:44:53 GMT
Genuine Stokie here interested in the views of others on here. Especially given tonights showing so far. What do you think folks?
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Post by karl on Dec 4, 2018 20:46:32 GMT
It's produced Tom Edward's but other than that no one to speak of
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Post by troj on Dec 4, 2018 20:47:59 GMT
So what's going wrong - we've got brilliant facilities etc. Or is it just the Academy model doesn't work?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 20:52:34 GMT
We’ve got players who are 20/21 who haven’t played a first team game in their career. They’re just stagnating, look at Shelton what’s the point?
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Post by mrred on Dec 4, 2018 20:54:09 GMT
Ehh. The under 18s have some decent players I guess.
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 4, 2018 20:54:20 GMT
I think they improve when they play alongside seasoned professionals, I'm not sure an u21 side Vs experience is doing a lot of good
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Post by troj on Dec 4, 2018 20:54:21 GMT
On paper its a great concept but it just doesn't work. Looks to be a complete waste of money.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 4, 2018 20:55:36 GMT
Lots of shiny new signs and double glasing only Goes So far, If they went about it properly they would have invested in top coaching talent from around Europe.
Money wasted YET AGAIN
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 4, 2018 20:55:43 GMT
What's all the fuss about?
Doesn't work we'll spend 35 million on Imbula and Winner instead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 20:57:57 GMT
They should be loaned out to lower league teams.....vale,crewe,macc,shrews, all the localish clubs at no cost to those clubs to get real world experience....then if they haven't made the grade by 20 move them on
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Post by mrred on Dec 4, 2018 20:58:14 GMT
Problem for us is that we’ve rarely been in a position where we can throw academy players into competitive games for the last few years. But I’m not sure why we can’t get more out on loan. As said above, the amount of under 21s that haven’t got anywhere near the first team is staggering. This will most probably be the biggest match some of them play in, some of them won’t make it.
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Post by troj on Dec 4, 2018 20:59:05 GMT
They should be loaned out to lower league teams.....vale,crewe,macc,shrews, all the localish clubs at no cost to those clubs to get real world experience....then if they haven't made the grade by 20 move them on spot on mate |
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Post by baystokie on Dec 4, 2018 20:59:28 GMT
So what's going wrong - we've got brilliant facilities etc. Or is it just the Academy model doesn't work? Stoke will rarely get the 'pick of the crop' of British youngsters as we'll be well down the 'attraction index' when talented boys are looking around for an academy. Chelsea are held up as an example of a very good set-up for youngsters and their teams seem to do very well. They can do this when they have 'hoovered' up so much of the better young talent that they can afford to have 20+ out on loan, getting their education in the hard leagues school. Not knowing much of other clubs' academy squads, I have no idea what is considered to be a good success rate for them. It could be anything from 1 in 5 for Chelsea, Man City and the like up to 1 in 15 or more for clubs like ours. |
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Post by troj on Dec 4, 2018 21:01:14 GMT
Essentially it looks like a complete waste of time. Plough the money into grassroots
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 4, 2018 21:02:02 GMT
They should be loaned out to lower league teams.....vale,crewe,macc,shrews, all the localish clubs at no cost to those clubs to get real world experience....then if they haven't made the grade by 20 move them on Ryan Sweeney went to Bristol Rovers , now he has dropped a division to Mansfield. He is 21 years of age . At what age is he ready for our side ? Shenton couldn't get a regular game at Wrexham. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 4, 2018 21:09:26 GMT
Just look at how our first team is ran? How is our pr doing? The media guys? Player recruitment? Scouting system? Our "partnerships" with other clubs abroad? How are they getting along? (Funny that a lot of our partnered clubs are now much "bigger" than us (better quality of player, better league etc)...
It hurts when the truth is laid bare. It really does.
Small time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2018 21:10:07 GMT
They should be loaned out to lower league teams.....vale,crewe,macc,shrews, all the localish clubs at no cost to those clubs to get real world experience....then if they haven't made the grade by 20 move them on Ryan Sweeney went to Bristol Rovers , now he has dropped a division to Mansfield. He is 21 years of age . At what age is he ready for our side ? Shenton couldn't get a regular game at Wrexham. Which shows they're unlikely to make the grade at the level we're at |
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Post by henry on Dec 4, 2018 21:10:32 GMT
Anyone know how much money these youngsters are on ?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 4, 2018 21:16:16 GMT
No - it is a total dogs dinner
Given the money Coates has pumped in it is currently a total failure
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 4, 2018 21:23:14 GMT
Typical fucking Stoke....how can we piss our 4000 fans off tonight, i know lets not play the two senior pro’s who we’ve played in every other mickey mouse game since we’ve been in it, you dont give a fuck about the fans do you?
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Post by adamsson on Dec 4, 2018 21:26:26 GMT
On tonight's evidence no.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 4, 2018 21:27:41 GMT
Peter Coates has ploughed a fortune into the academy, possibly with the goal of providing a dynasty of local, home-grown first-teamers for the next twenty years.
Instead, he's been rewarded with a load of expensively procured youngsters from across the globe, not many of whom appear to be all that good. In that sense, it's very much like the first team.
At least we seem to be strangely effective at producing local-born right backs.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 4, 2018 21:32:11 GMT
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Post by wagstand on Dec 4, 2018 21:32:51 GMT
I’m afraid it’s men against boys.Some of these Stoke lads are wasting their time playing academy football. If it was my kid I’d be busting a gut to get them out playing “men’s “ football.
Embarrassing competition disrespectful to lower league clubs. Good luck to the vale it’s their competition not ours .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 4, 2018 21:32:59 GMT
How many clubs produce more than a couple of players every few seasons, I think a few people expectations are a little high.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 4, 2018 21:34:33 GMT
Typical fucking Stoke....how can we piss our 4000 fans off tonight, i know lets not play the two senior pro’s who we’ve played in every other mickey mouse game since we’ve been in it, you dont give a fuck about the fans do you? I'd rather a youngster get a go over some ageing soon to retire pro. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 4, 2018 21:35:01 GMT
How many clubs produce more than a couple of players every few seasons, I think a few people expectations are a little high. In ten years, not two, name one apart from a potential Edwards? |
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Post by troj on Dec 4, 2018 21:37:13 GMT
How many clubs produce more than a couple of players every few seasons, I think a few people expectations are a little high. And we've produced how many in the last 20 years? To be fair it seems to be the same for most so why do clubs even bother. |
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Post by wagstand on Dec 4, 2018 21:37:22 GMT
Shotto , Wilko
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 4, 2018 21:39:44 GMT
How many clubs produce more than a couple of players every few seasons, I think a few people expectations are a little high. In ten years, not two, name one apart from a potential Edwards? Well when Pulis was around it was pointless, was Shotton one of ours? How many have other Champ/Prem teams managed in the same time frame? You can't really ask that question then take out one of the options  , we can't score goals, apart from all the goals we've score when have we actually scored a goal. |
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, we can't score goals, apart from all the goals we've score when have we actually scored a goal.
