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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 1, 2018 18:56:13 GMT
Was anyone surprised? I wasn’t...is there tactically a manger that is worse than him in this league? Paul Lambert?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 1, 2018 19:04:03 GMT
Was anyone surprised? I wasn’t...is there tactically a manger that is worse than him in this league? Paul Lambert? No, Lambert is better.
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 1, 2018 19:07:06 GMT
Pass it to Shaqiri the rest of you are shit ? Hughes would of beaten Huddersfield in that first game, zero wins until a dead rubber that Swansea had to win about 15-0
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 1, 2018 19:13:03 GMT
Pass it to Shaqiri the rest of you are shit ? Hughes would of beaten Huddersfield in that first game, zero wins until a dead rubber that Swansea had to win about 15-0 He was cack, but has a better record than Rowett. He has won promotion in the past.
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 1, 2018 19:34:49 GMT
The pathetic thing is, I'm just a fan watching the game with my old man on a stream and we are both saying the same thing...bring on fresh legs up top to stretch them, don't go defensive (as if we can rely on our defence!). Don't allow Reading to finish the game strong by throwing balls forward...best form of defence is attack, especially us...our attacking has been one of the few positives this season !!
Sad that we can all see it but not the manager.
Not even going to begin on the dropping of Bera and Williams
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 1, 2018 19:39:12 GMT
The pathetic thing is, I'm just a fan watching the game with my old man on a stream and we are both saying the same thing...bring on fresh legs up top to stretch them, don't go defensive (as if we can rely on our defence!). Don't allow Reading to finish the game strong by throwing balls forward...best form of defence is attack, especially us...our attacking has been one of the few positives this season !! Sad that we can all see it but not the manager. Not even going to begin on the dropping of Bera and WilliamsThere's nothing to go into, it was probably the right thing to do.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 1, 2018 19:47:51 GMT
The pathetic thing is, I'm just a fan watching the game with my old man on a stream and we are both saying the same thing...bring on fresh legs up top to stretch them, don't go defensive (as if we can rely on our defence!). Don't allow Reading to finish the game strong by throwing balls forward...best form of defence is attack, especially us...our attacking has been one of the few positives this season !! Sad that we can all see it but not the manager. Not even going to begin on the dropping of Bera and WilliamsThere's nothing to go into, it was probably the right thing to do. I can possibly understand Williams though he seems to have benefited from playing, getting fitter and stronger. Why drop Berahino? He’s a young fit full time professional that hadn’t played every game?
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Post by kjpt140v on Dec 1, 2018 19:50:09 GMT
That's not just the match thrown away, any chance of promotion is extremely slight. We are now 17 points behind the play-off teams. Will we go a whole season without scoring 3 goals in this league? What school did you go to?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Dec 1, 2018 19:50:46 GMT
To play devil's advocate, Rowett is forced into the first sub due to an injury to Pieters.
He's also forced into the 2nd as Clucas isn't able to last the full 90 at this point of the season.
The third? I agree that McClean should have come off as he was having a shocker and losing the ball everytime he got near it (and was on a yellow). He shouldn't have dicked around with his back 4 to pull McClean and instead should have bought on Berahino to play there.
The push on Ince in the lead up to the goal (it was a foul, obviously, as was our push on them a split-second before) is the reason we concede. And it's not the whole it should have been a free-kick argument, but Ince is then out of position and slow to get back due to him probably having a moan at the 4th official off camera. The ball eventually falls to their wide lad on the left who Ince would have been closer to had the incident not happened.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 1, 2018 19:54:56 GMT
There's nothing to go into, it was probably the right thing to do. I can possibly understand Williams though he seems to have benefited from playing, getting fitter and stronger. Why drop Berahino? He’s a young fit full time professional that hadn’t played every game? 3 games in row, did a lot of running on Wednesday given we were a man down, it would be understandable if he wasn't fully fit and sharp for today.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 1, 2018 19:59:20 GMT
To play devil's advocate, Rowett is forced into the first sub due to an injury to Pieters. He's also forced into the 2nd as Clucas isn't able to last the full 90 at this point of the season. The third? I agree that McClean should have come off as he was having a shocker and losing the ball everytime he got near it (and was on a yellow). He shouldn't have dicked around with his back 4 to pull McClean and instead should have bought on Berahino to play there. The push on Ince in the lead up to the goal (it was a foul, obviously, as was our push on them a split-second before) is the reason we concede. And it's not the whole it should have been a free-kick argument, but Ince is then out of position and slow to get back due to him probably having a moan at the 4th official off camera. The ball eventually falls to their wide lad on the left who Ince would have been closer to had the incident not happened. Second and third were the other way round btw, the third sub needed to be positive to keep the ball up the other end of the pitch, just like Lampard did on Wednesday, Rowett played into their hands. There was more than enough time for Ince to get back from the time he was pushed and the ball ending up out wide, just as McClean was rightly criticised for the goals against QPR, Ince should be too, as well as the extra defender that didn't move over to try and help.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 1, 2018 20:01:26 GMT
I can possibly understand Williams though he seems to have benefited from playing, getting fitter and stronger. Why drop Berahino? He’s a young fit full time professional that hadn’t played every game? 3 games in row, did a lot of running on Wednesday given we were a man down, it would be understandable if he wasn't fully fit and sharp for today. Ah come on, 3 games in a row and did a lot of running! FFS, are they that soft!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 1, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
His all round play was what was needed, he would have held it up and got others involved, couldn't care less if he didn't score, the ball would have been up the other end, I'd rather that than Diouf looking like he could score then messing it up time and time again. Agree he is a better bet than Diouf but any team thinking they can build a promotion challenge with Bera as a vital part of their attack is whistling in the wind. I disagree, he's done well playing there, works hard, great first touch, holds the ball up well, if he can add goals to his game he could be one of the best in the league.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 1, 2018 20:03:49 GMT
3 games in row, did a lot of running on Wednesday given we were a man down, it would be understandable if he wasn't fully fit and sharp for today. Ah come on, 3 games in a row and did a lot of running! FFS, are they that soft! Ask the fitness team not me, they know more than anyone on this board what shape they were in, if thats the decision they made then so be it.
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 1, 2018 20:04:04 GMT
3 games in row, did a lot of running on Wednesday given we were a man down, it would be understandable if he wasn't fully fit and sharp for today. Ah come on, 3 games in a row and did a lot of running! FFS, are they that soft! Exactly, running around is a given. Particularly as he is a very lucky boy to of been given a second chance. Pampered pooches the lot of them. All footballers I mean not just ours
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Dec 1, 2018 20:06:47 GMT
To play devil's advocate, Rowett is forced into the first sub due to an injury to Pieters. He's also forced into the 2nd as Clucas isn't able to last the full 90 at this point of the season. The third? I agree that McClean should have come off as he was having a shocker and losing the ball everytime he got near it (and was on a yellow). He shouldn't have dicked around with his back 4 to pull McClean and instead should have bought on Berahino to play there. The push on Ince in the lead up to the goal (it was a foul, obviously, as was our push on them a split-second before) is the reason we concede. And it's not the whole it should have been a free-kick argument, but Ince is then out of position and slow to get back due to him probably having a moan at the 4th official off camera. The ball eventually falls to their wide lad on the left who Ince would have been closer to had the incident not happened. Second and third were the other way round btw, the third sub needed to be positive to keep the ball up the other end of the pitch, just like Lampard did on Wednesday, Rowett played into their hands. There was more than enough time for Ince to get back from the time he was pushed and the ball ending up out wide, just as McClean was rightly criticised for the goals against QPR, Ince should be too, as well as the extra defender that didn't move over to try and help. Yep, I think you've got it about right. My post is more of an explanation for Ince's poor play, but I agree, he should be criticised for his efforts to get back and help Martina, who also didn't cover himself in glory.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 1, 2018 20:07:31 GMT
Ah come on, 3 games in a row and did a lot of running! FFS, are they that soft! Ask the fitness team not me, they know more than anyone on this board what shape they were in, if thats the decision they made then so be it. If he’s not fit enough to play a couple of games in a row (barring an injury) that’s the managers fault as well and he shouldn’t be in the squad.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 1, 2018 20:10:19 GMT
Grr GR what have you done with Bojan you massive turd? That was the thing that pissed me off the most today, if there was ever a game he was made for to rip the opposition to bits it was today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 22:05:47 GMT
As much as we can point the finger at rowett surely the players have to take control in the game and be professional enough to see it through. Nigel Johnson said on the radio that Tom Edwards needed to wake up as he came on and nearly gifted two chances to them? Also with two mins left why aren’t we playing it simple and running into the corners? It’s amateruish by so called professionals
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Post by shipshape on Dec 2, 2018 0:10:31 GMT
I'm just so pissed off with this performance. Reading were fucking shit. Absolute toss. Yet we never beat em. Aggressive from the start would have seen us win this game comfortably. That's what teams aiming for promotion should do. Fuckin hell Stoke.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 2, 2018 0:32:18 GMT
As much as we can point the finger at rowett surely the players have to take control in the game and be professional enough to see it through. Nigel Johnson said on the radio that Tom Edwards needed to wake up as he came on and nearly gifted two chances to them? Also with two mins left why aren’t we playing it simple and running into the corners? It’s amateruish by so called professionals Bollocks. I teach English for a living, but if the head came up to me and said "You're teaching Maths today", I wouldn't have a clue what I was doing. You can't get someone to do a specialist job when they're not a specialist and then berate them when they do it wrong. A right-back cannot be blamed for being left out to dry at left-back.
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Post by FrankButcher on Dec 2, 2018 1:12:06 GMT
I'm just so pissed off with this performance. Reading were fucking shit. Absolute toss. Yet we never beat em. Aggressive from the start would have seen us win this game comfortably. That's what teams aiming for promotion should do. Fuckin hell Stoke. We were far too cautious all game! We sat off them far too often instead of being aggressive and pressing them readings central defenders had so much time on the ball to bring it out and play unchallenged it was unbelievable we just seemed a little passive and disinterested at times.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 3:40:29 GMT
As much as we can point the finger at rowett surely the players have to take control in the game and be professional enough to see it through. Nigel Johnson said on the radio that Tom Edwards needed to wake up as he came on and nearly gifted two chances to them? Also with two mins left why aren’t we playing it simple and running into the corners? It’s amateruish by so called professionals Bollocks. I teach English for a living, but if the head came up to me and said "You're teaching Maths today", I wouldn't have a clue what I was doing. You can't get someone to do a specialist job when they're not a specialist and then berate them when they do it wrong. A right-back cannot be blamed for being left out to dry at left-back. Does that allow you to under hit passes to team mates? Sorry Bruno I’m usually a right back, my bad! Also this isn’t a dig at just Edwards. This is a dig at the 11 on the pitch. Between them they have enough experience to know that you carry the ball with minutes left not just aimlessly twat a ball to the opposition and allow an attack
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Post by s7oke on Dec 2, 2018 4:09:53 GMT
Clear foul in the lead up to their equaliser, but it simply doesn't excuse the shit negative subs and tactics from Ince's goal onwards. Time and time again, we'll be in control of a game and Rowett will willingly throw the impetus away by trying to shut up shop, but time and time again it fails. They were shit and we should have gone for the jugular rather than just being content with that thin lead. There was literally no reason at all to have done that! We weren't under any pressure at all, I could understand it if we looked like we were losing control or being under the cosh, but they didn't have anything about them at all. Why? Just why did we throw it out of the window? Absolutely mind-boggling, what awful fucking game management, we were asking for that. Simply asking for it. What an absolute sucker-punchingly, gut-wrenchingly, knacker-kickingly wank end to an otherwise excellent performance. This one million percent
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Post by s7oke on Dec 2, 2018 4:13:05 GMT
It was total idiocy, the absolute maniac. Absolutely no reason to do literally any of the things he did from 70 minutes onwards. McClean needed to come off, Clucas was the best option for out wide so it was the right sub, it was the last one that fucked it, and the shit defending from players that know better but I guess we can ignore that. He could have put berahino down the left in place of McLean so no it wasn’t the correct sub Or Bojan oh but wait our dumb bastard of a manager prefers a slow lumbering fletcher who has done nothing other than score one goal and only slows down the game to bojan who actually wasn’t on the bench so I wonder who’s fault that was ???
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Post by s7oke on Dec 2, 2018 4:21:48 GMT
Diouf wide left. Hed have won headers, worked hard and put them under some pressure. That wins you the game not sitting back and hoping. They had two good chances which all down to the manager fucking it up. Diouf is dog shit, he wins us nothing, the one the manager fucked was the last one, I don't want to see Diouf play for us again tbh. So Diouff brings less to the game than Fletcher ??? What a crock of shit !
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Post by s7oke on Dec 2, 2018 4:29:04 GMT
Ah come on, 3 games in a row and did a lot of running! FFS, are they that soft! Ask the fitness team not me, they know more than anyone on this board what shape they were in, if thats the decision they made then so be it. Then why is he on the bench ??? And why was he not used ?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 2, 2018 8:56:55 GMT
4 because of his ridiculous subs. What is even more mind boggling is his post match comments.....
"At times, our game management is not as good as we'd like it to be. To concede goals late in each half, when we had opportunities not to concede those goals, was disappointing."
"We've had seven or eight really top opportunities but, after going 2-1 up, we should really see the game out.
"We should've been going away with all three points. It's almost criminal that we aren't."
His first comment is almost saying "I’m crap". Game management is down to you Gary boy, Those "opportunities not to concede those (late) goals" in particular their equaliser, was absolutely down to his to poor substitutions.
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Post by Gods on Dec 2, 2018 9:18:10 GMT
As much as we can point the finger at rowett surely the players have to take control in the game and be professional enough to see it through. Nigel Johnson said on the radio that Tom Edwards needed to wake up as he came on and nearly gifted two chances to them? Also with two mins left why aren’t we playing it simple and running into the corners? It’s amateruish by so called professionals Bollocks. I teach English for a living, but if the head came up to me and said "You're teaching Maths today", I wouldn't have a clue what I was doing. You can't get someone to do a specialist job when they're not a specialist and then berate them when they do it wrong. A right-back cannot be blamed for being left out to dry at left-back. It's all maths, he was just asked to do geometry instead of calculus !
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Post by milky on Dec 2, 2018 9:18:46 GMT
4 because of his ridiculous subs. What is even more mind boggling is his post match comments..... "At times, our game management is not as good as we'd like it to be. To concede goals late in each half, when we had opportunities not to concede those goals, was disappointing." "We've had seven or eight really top opportunities but, after going 2-1 up, we should really see the game out. "We should've been going away with all three points. It's almost criminal that we aren't." His first comment is almost saying "I’m crap". Game management is down to you Gary boy, Those "opportunities not to concede those (late) goals" in particular their equaliser, was absolutely down to his to poor substitutions. I tell you what Gaz, how about when we went 2-1 up and we had them where we wanted them that we try and finish it off and not " see the game out " and practically surrender any attempt to score again after 75 minutes ? Even better why dont you just fuck off so hopefully we can get a manager who doesn't think its a crime to score more than 2 a game against dire opposition? Christ I used to think Pulis was negative but at least he had the excuse of playing against quality opponents.At one point yesterday Reading were passing the ball to us at will.
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