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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 2, 2018 16:37:38 GMT
GR wouldn’t know a creative player , he likes his workhorses and not the game changers I wouldn't call Ince a workhorse Maybe a bit of a show pony then
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 2, 2018 16:40:41 GMT
I reckon he was just being saved for the Vale game on Tuesday.
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Post by rosco on Dec 2, 2018 16:58:07 GMT
Best footballer in the league.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 2, 2018 17:09:54 GMT
I reckon he was just being saved for the Vale game on Tuesday. I can see a Rochdale #2 coming 😕
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 2, 2018 17:21:24 GMT
Best footballer in the league. ..maybe was, but not any longer I'm afraid.
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Post by mrred on Dec 2, 2018 17:52:47 GMT
He wasn't even in the country for the 2 years the club spent eating itself alive. I'm not Bojan's biggest fan but that's complete bollocks. After the Wolves game FA Cup shitfest, he then went on to strongly unimpressed for 2 years at 2 very mediocre teams. Since he has returned not done much (except Rotherham wonder goal)and no takers. Very good player....years ago. We took a punt and never really worked. Though he was very unfortunate to get injured at Rochdale. Diouf tried hard, but couldn’t score at a swingers party. I don't disagree, he's failed to find form during his 2 years away and he was no worse than anyone else at Wolves that day- that was one of the worst collective team efforts I've ever seen. But to put blame on him for or demise is crazy, he was out the door whilst it all unfolded. I did also what Bojan could bring to us in the Championship but during his brief cameos he's shown more creativity than we'd seen all season up to that point and I'm not sure why he's been completely shelved.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 2, 2018 22:09:14 GMT
After the Wolves game FA Cup shitfest, he then went on to strongly unimpressed for 2 years at 2 very mediocre teams. Since he has returned not done much (except Rotherham wonder goal)and no takers. Very good player....years ago. We took a punt and never really worked. Though he was very unfortunate to get injured at Rochdale. Diouf tried hard, but couldn’t score at a swingers party. I don't disagree, he's failed to find form during his 2 years away and he was no worse than anyone else at Wolves that day- that was one of the worst collective team efforts I've ever seen. But to put blame on him for or demise is crazy, he was out the door whilst it all unfolded. I did also what Bojan could bring to us in the Championship but during his brief cameos he's shown more creativity than we'd seen all season up to that point and I'm not sure why he's been completely shelved. Hi Mr. Red, I don’t blame him. I simply say he was part of our demise for the simple fact he wasn’t here fighting for the cause because, sadly, he wasn’t good enough. Imo after his very lucrative contract expires at Stoke he will not make any impact any where else either. Time will be the judge.
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Post by dastokie on Dec 8, 2018 18:41:08 GMT
Adios amigo
When a manager after the match says he felt we had little to offer from the bench today along with having McClean with an infected toe and Indi pulling up in training yesterday then unfortunatley it really looks like he does not like Bojan.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2018 18:42:22 GMT
Adios amigo When a manager after the match says he felt we had little to offer from the bench today along with having McClean with an infected toe and Indi pulling up in training yesterday then unfortunatley it really looks like he does not like Bojan. He doesn't like to play a number 10, its no surprise he isn't playing a player that's a number 10
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2018 18:47:24 GMT
Adios amigo When a manager after the match says he felt we had little to offer from the bench today along with having McClean with an infected toe and Indi pulling up in training yesterday then unfortunatley it really looks like he does not like Bojan. He doesn't like to play a number 10, its no surprise he isn't playing a player that's a number 10 Having one at least on the bench at home might be an idea though...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2018 18:48:15 GMT
He doesn't like to play a number 10, its no surprise he isn't playing a player that's a number 10 Having one at least on the bench at home might be an idea though... Gary doesn't like footballers. It's that simple
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2018 18:52:20 GMT
Having one at least on the bench at home might be an idea though... Gary doesn't like footballers. It's that simple Ince not a footballer?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2018 18:53:19 GMT
He doesn't like to play a number 10, its no surprise he isn't playing a player that's a number 10 Having one at least on the bench at home might be an idea though... Not if he doesn't want to use one, there's no point, its a wasted sub, I'd prefer 4-2-3-1 tbh but if the manager doesn't want it then why complain.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2018 18:58:36 GMT
Having one at least on the bench at home might be an idea though... Not if he doesn't want to use one, there's no point, its a wasted sub, I'd prefer 4-2-3-1 tbh but if the manager doesn't want it then why complain. Maybe he could have a bash at ‘flexibility’? Have options for different systems when (heresy incoming) 4-3-3 isn’t working?
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Post by JimmyisGod on Dec 8, 2018 19:10:08 GMT
I’m fed up of this love in with Bojan. One good game in five, he’s too lightweight for this division
And that’s coming from someone who saw Hudson and Greenhoff in their prime
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2018 19:11:07 GMT
I’m fed up of this love in with Bojan. One good game in five, he’s too lightweight for this division And that’s coming from someone who saw Hudson and Greenhoff in their prime He isn’t god, but he’s one of two genuine creative players in the squad and we’re struggling to break defensive teams down at home. Are you honestly suggesting he’s not worth a place in the squad?
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2018 19:14:32 GMT
I’m fed up of this love in with Bojan. One good game in five, he’s too lightweight for this division And that’s coming from someone who saw Hudson and Greenhoff in their prime He isn’t god, but he’s one of two genuine creative players in the squad and we’re struggling to break defensive teams down at home. Are you honestly suggesting he’s not worth a place in the squad? We'd get more out of Afobe with Bojan playing just behind him.
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Post by basingstokie on Dec 8, 2018 19:21:58 GMT
In my opinion he is the most naturally talented player in our squad and possibly the league. Unfortunately his manager doesn't want to play a formation which would use his talents to their bast effect.
It's either Rowett goes or Bojan should go for the sake of his career
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2018 22:04:35 GMT
Not if he doesn't want to use one, there's no point, its a wasted sub, I'd prefer 4-2-3-1 tbh but if the manager doesn't want it then why complain. Maybe he could have a bash at ‘flexibility’? Have options for different systems when (heresy incoming) 4-3-3 isn’t working? That's a fair enough argument and it would be nice but the current record doesn't show the need for change, and Im not convinced Bojan still has it in him to do it, it's a massive shame but that's just my opinion, maybe he'll sign someone in the summer that he does trust.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 22:15:42 GMT
After the Wolves game FA Cup shitfest, he then went on to strongly unimpressed for 2 years at 2 very mediocre teams. Since he has returned not done much (except Rotherham wonder goal)and no takers. Very good player....years ago. We took a punt and never really worked. Though he was very unfortunate to get injured at Rochdale. Diouf tried hard, but couldn’t score at a swingers party. I don't disagree, he's failed to find form during his 2 years away and he was no worse than anyone else at Wolves that day- that was one of the worst collective team efforts I've ever seen. But to put blame on him for or demise is crazy, he was out the door whilst it all unfolded. I did also what Bojan could bring to us in the Championship but during his brief cameos he's shown more creativity than we'd seen all season up to that point and I'm not sure why he's been completely shelved. He can find a forward pass where other can’t and looked like him and Ince could be magic together...Ince commented on how much he liked playing with him after one match...can’t remember which. Shame as to what might have been but I hope purely for his own sake he goes and finds somewhere he gets to play.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 8, 2018 22:19:56 GMT
In my opinion he is the most naturally talented player in our squad and possibly the league. Unfortunately his manager doesn't want to play a formation which would use his talents to their bast effect. It's either Rowett goes or Bojan should go for the sake of his career It's a toss up who goes first for me. Tbh, any manager coming in looking to play football if it is Rowetts head first wanting a 10 would piss himself with Bojan available in this league. Bojan would of walked through that shit Ipswich side if in behind Afobe at the 10. Except, we got Allen, Bera and Afobe in some bastardized 4-5-1 ineffective formation in reality versus poor Ipswich of all sides who matched our possession and had more shots at our goal. I Could cry looking into a glass of whiskey at the what "if" of Afobe, Bera and in behind them Bojan at home versus a Ipswich who hasn't won away in months. It could've been 6-0 easily if he came on early. This waste of a manager has no clue how to get a side going each week, we struggle needlessly and sometimes get caught.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 8, 2018 22:52:20 GMT
If you want to get rid of a player then play your best number 10 out on the wing for the last 10/15 minutes. That achieves two things: It placates the supporters who have been clamouring for him to get a game while at the same time it makes said player look bad. Bojan is our best number 10 but it doesn't help when your manager insists on playing a lone striker game after game, especially a lone striker who is useless at being a lone striker. Then when you've achieved that, put a half fit journeyman and Fletcher on the bench and drop the number 10 you want to get rid of. And to cap it all off, once you've played all your negative cards, come on the radio and tell the truth that, all along you never wanted said number 10 at the club from the off.
Rowett must think we all fell off a christmas tree. He forgets that we had years of Pulis who was better at sleight of hand and deception than he'll ever be. Seriously, does anyone with more than one brain cell think MacClain and Fletcher are better players than Bojan?
OS.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 8, 2018 23:15:29 GMT
Maybe he could have a bash at ‘flexibility’? Have options for different systems when (heresy incoming) 4-3-3 isn’t working? That's a fair enough argument and it would be nice but the current record doesn't show the need for change, and Im not convinced Bojan still has it in him to do it, it's a massive shame but that's just my opinion, maybe he'll sign someone in the summer that he does trust. It doesn’t have to be Bojan especially, but we need someone capable of creating something. Do you think he’ll sign someone who can do that?
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 8, 2018 23:15:33 GMT
If you want to get rid of a player then play your best number 10 out on the wing for the last 10/15 minutes. That achieves two things: It placates the supporters who have been clamouring for him to get a game while at the same time it makes said player look bad. Bojan is our best number 10 but it doesn't help when your manager insists on playing a lone striker game after game, especially a lone striker who is useless at being a lone striker. Then when you've achieved that, put a half fit journeyman and Fletcher on the bench and drop the number 10 you want to get rid of. And to cap it all off, once you've played all your negative cards, come on the radio and tell the truth that, all along you never wanted said number 10 at the club from the off. Rowett must think we all fell off a christmas tree. He forgets that we had years of Pulis who was better at sleight of hand and deception than he'll ever be. Seriously, does anyone with more than one brain cell think MacClain and Fletcher are better players than Bojan? OS. Not a huge McClain fan but he occasionally gives us a bit more grit which is sometimes needed. At this point though why Fletcher is even on the bench is a mystery. While possibly not every game Bojan should be there against some teams that setup more defensively.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2018 23:18:14 GMT
That's a fair enough argument and it would be nice but the current record doesn't show the need for change, and Im not convinced Bojan still has it in him to do it, it's a massive shame but that's just my opinion, maybe he'll sign someone in the summer that he does trust. It doesn’t have to be Bojan especially, but we need someone capable of creating something. Do you think he’ll sign someone who can do that? I hope so, he has signed creative players but given how the squad was it was clear we needed some decent defensive options in midfield too (no DM), I'm hoping his second window he'll focus on more forward options.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 8, 2018 23:20:18 GMT
That's a fair enough argument and it would be nice but the current record doesn't show the need for change, and Im not convinced Bojan still has it in him to do it, it's a massive shame but that's just my opinion, maybe he'll sign someone in the summer that he does trust. It doesn’t have to be Bojan especially, but we need someone capable of creating something. Do you think he’ll sign someone who can do that? Couldn't agree more we are desperately missing a playmaker. After taking Ince off there were no players on the pitch left who you could see coming up with something special. Just workhorses.
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 8, 2018 23:35:38 GMT
If you want to get rid of a player then play your best number 10 out on the wing for the last 10/15 minutes. That achieves two things: It placates the supporters who have been clamouring for him to get a game while at the same time it makes said player look bad. Bojan is our best number 10 but it doesn't help when your manager insists on playing a lone striker game after game, especially a lone striker who is useless at being a lone striker. Then when you've achieved that, put a half fit journeyman and Fletcher on the bench and drop the number 10 you want to get rid of. And to cap it all off, once you've played all your negative cards, come on the radio and tell the truth that, all along you never wanted said number 10 at the club from the off. Rowett must think we all fell off a christmas tree. He forgets that we had years of Pulis who was better at sleight of hand and deception than he'll ever be. Seriously, does anyone with more than one brain cell think MacClain and Fletcher are better players than Bojan? OS. Not a huge McClain fan but he occasionally gives us a bit more grit which is sometimes needed. At this point though why Fletcher is even on the bench is a mystery. While possibly not every game Bojan should be there against some teams that setup more defensively. Bojan is not about 'grit'. Bojan is about creativity, which he's very good at when played in the number 10 role with players around him who have skill and can read a game. You need some gritty players in a side but the number 10 doesn't have to be one of them. Over many decades I've seen some great players playing for Stoke in that number 10 role, and most of them were not gritty players. As for MacClain, using an equine analogy, he's purely a workhorse wearing blinkers. We plough the field and scatter... that sort of stuff. And continuing that analogy, Bojan is the type most foxhunters would want to be on to lead the hunt. Tally ho! OS.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 8, 2018 23:36:17 GMT
In explaining why Bojan wasn’t on the bench Rowett said they wanted to give younger players a chance (Campbell would have been on the bench at Reading, Sorensen was today) but which three did he bring on? McClean, Fletcher and Crouch! What a tosser!
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 8, 2018 23:49:26 GMT
I’m fed up of this love in with Bojan. One good game in five, he’s too lightweight for this division And that’s coming from someone who saw Hudson and Greenhoff in their prime I’m sick of hearing this bullshit about Bojan being too lightweight! Don’t you remember a player called George Eastham? He was very “lightweight”, he looked like he’d blow away in the wind, but he used his brain to find space and could pick a pass. You don’t need to be a fucking bodybuilder to be a footballer!!
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 8, 2018 23:57:25 GMT
Not a huge McClain fan but he occasionally gives us a bit more grit which is sometimes needed. At this point though why Fletcher is even on the bench is a mystery. While possibly not every game Bojan should be there against some teams that setup more defensively. Bojan is not about 'grit'. Bojan is about creativity, which he's very good at when played in the number 10 role with players around him who have skill and can read a game. You need some gritty players in a side but the number 10 doesn't have to be one of them. Over many decades I've seen some great players playing for Stoke in that number 10 role, and most of them were not gritty players. As for MacClain, using an equine analogy, he's purely a workhorse wearing blinkers. We plough the field and scatter... that sort of stuff. And continuing that analogy, Bojan is the type most foxhunters would want to be on to lead the hunt. Tally ho! OS. Fucking brilliant posts.
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