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Post by dastokie on Dec 1, 2018 14:16:36 GMT
Adios Amigo.
With the team news today resting Williams and Berinho.
McClean on the left instead of Lucas.
No game changer on the bench.
Thought Wednesday could have been a turning point showing that McClean makes a good sub.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 1, 2018 19:58:34 GMT
Bojan in that team today against that opposition would have done well and possibly made a big difference.
However GR obviously does no rate him and so alas his future is unceartain, such a shame. Twenty minute cameos at the end of a tight game give Little opportunity to fully appreciate his potential. He needs to start regularly and build an understanding with Afobie/Beharino.
At whoes expense? McClean.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Dec 1, 2018 21:06:00 GMT
The Bojan situation sums up the clubs mentality at the moment. He’s a fantastic footballer who’s neglected in favour of British plodders.
For those who like to spout the ‘well he was shite at Alaves and Mainz’ rhetoric, look into the situations at both clubs soon after his arrival. The lack of appreciation for a talent like him is absolutely mind blowing.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 1, 2018 21:29:40 GMT
The Bojan situation sums up the clubs mentality at the moment. He’s a fantastic footballer who’s neglected in favour of British plodders. For those who like to spout the ‘well he was shite at Alaves and Mainz’ rhetoric, look into the situations at both clubs soon after his arrival. The lack of appreciation for a talent like him is absolutely mind blowing. What situations? Any game I saw him in he wasn’t pulling up any trees |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 21:30:35 GMT
I can't help questioning what would have happened had those chances that fell for Afobe in the first half, had fell to Bojan instead.
As well as his creativity, he's a belting finisher. Superb technique.
Are you sure you can't fit him into your team, Gary?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 1, 2018 21:33:02 GMT
I can't help questioning what would have happened had those chances that fell for Afobe in the first half, had fell to Bojan instead. As well as his creativity, he's a belting finisher. Superb technique. Are you sure you can't fit him into your team, Gary? He wouldn't have been in those positions |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 21:38:11 GMT
I can't help questioning what would have happened had those chances that fell for Afobe in the first half, had fell to Bojan instead. As well as his creativity, he's a belting finisher. Superb technique. Are you sure you can't fit him into your team, Gary? He wouldn't have been in those positions No, he's a central midfielder under this manager isn't he? |
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 1, 2018 21:40:30 GMT
I can understand that Rowett doesn't trust him even though I disagree with him.
What I can't understand for the life of me is why you wouldn't have him on the bench.
Arguably the most creative player at the club and without doubt the best finisher at the club and he isn't even on the bench.
It's just plain weird.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 1, 2018 21:44:31 GMT
He wouldn't have been in those positions No, he's a central midfielder under this manager isn't he? hes a no10 at best not a striker |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 21:52:50 GMT
No, he's a central midfielder under this manager isn't he? hes a no10 at best not a striker He is but he's actually more of a goalscorer than a creator. I looked into the stats a while back and was very surprised with what I found. He had more shots on goal per 90 minutes than chances created. |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 1, 2018 21:59:09 GMT
hes a no10 at best not a striker He is but he's actually more of a goalscorer than a creator. I looked into the stats a while back and was very surprised with what I found. He had more shots on goal per 90 minutes than chances created. Not surprised at that, he was superb, but to be honest ive not seen him have a really good match since his injury. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 2, 2018 1:39:40 GMT
Farewell Bojan hopefully, along with Diouf. Promise everything deliver nothing. Both part of our demise, did nothing to stop it.
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Post by chadam on Dec 2, 2018 4:34:45 GMT
Whilst not suggesting he's our 'saviour', it's undeniable that Bojan has been underused this season by Rowett.
Bojan is a confidence player, he needs a run of games to find his best form which he has not been afforded.
I can remember his first few games for Stoke, I have never seen a player glide across the pitch with the ball at his feet the way Bojan did, the lad has something special.
His talent is obvious, it's bringing the best out of him that is the issue. I think that building a team around him as a no 10 or we would be better off than we are at the moment.
Realistically, considering our wage budget and summer transfer expenditure, would any decent manager be doing worse than we are at the moment?
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Post by kustokie on Dec 2, 2018 4:57:38 GMT
No, he's a central midfielder under this manager isn't he? hes a no10 at best not a striker Hughes promised him that he would start as a striker - that’s his preferred position and why he came to Stoke in the first place. |
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Post by s7oke on Dec 2, 2018 8:06:50 GMT
Farewell Bojan hopefully, along with Diouf. Promise everything deliver nothing. Both part of our demise, did nothing to stop it. Stupid comment!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 8:32:35 GMT
Whilst not suggesting he's our 'saviour', it's undeniable that Bojan has been underused this season by Rowett. Bojan is a confidence player, he needs a run of games to find his best form which he has not been afforded. I can remember his first few games for Stoke, I have never seen a player glide across the pitch with the ball at his feet the way Bojan did, the lad has something special. His talent is obvious, it's bringing the best out of him that is the issue. I think that building a team around him as a no 10 or we would be better off than we are at the moment. Realistically, considering our wage budget and summer transfer expenditure, would any decent manager be doing worse than we are at the moment? Your memory is playing tricks then because he was hopeless in his first few games....so hopeless that Hughes dropped him....then he had a good period until his injury |
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Post by stokierich on Dec 2, 2018 8:44:24 GMT
Bojan Stoke career was effectively over when Rowett was appointed.
Never been given proper chance this season, which is criminal with how bad we've been under Rowett.
Will Hughes had the same type of treatment at Derby when Rowett told him he's "not his type of player". Good enough for the premiership though.
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Post by mrred on Dec 2, 2018 9:25:00 GMT
Farewell Bojan hopefully, along with Diouf. Promise everything deliver nothing. Both part of our demise, did nothing to stop it. He wasn't even in the country for the 2 years the club spent eating itself alive. I'm not Bojan's biggest fan but that's complete bollocks. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 2, 2018 9:26:09 GMT
GR wouldn’t know a creative player , he likes his workhorses and not the game changers
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 2, 2018 9:30:22 GMT
He should be on the bench at the very least because he offers us something different.
Yesterday we had Diouf, Crouch and Bera could one of them not have been sacrificed.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 2, 2018 10:23:51 GMT
hes a no10 at best not a striker Hughes promised him that he would start as a striker - that’s his preferred position and why he came to Stoke in the first place. Preferred doesn't mean best though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 10:35:54 GMT
GR wouldn’t know a creative player , he likes his workhorses and not the game changers I wouldn't call Ince a workhorse |
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 2, 2018 13:18:21 GMT
Farewell Bojan hopefully, along with Diouf. Promise everything deliver nothing. Both part of our demise, did nothing to stop it. He wasn't even in the country for the 2 years the club spent eating itself alive. I'm not Bojan's biggest fan but that's complete bollocks. After the Wolves game FA Cup shitfest, he then went on to strongly unimpressed for 2 years at 2 very mediocre teams. Since he has returned not done much (except Rotherham wonder goal)and no takers. Very good player....years ago. We took a punt and never really worked. Though he was very unfortunate to get injured at Rochdale. Diouf tried hard, but couldn’t score at a swingers party. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 2, 2018 14:31:22 GMT
He is but he's actually more of a goalscorer than a creator. I looked into the stats a while back and was very surprised with what I found. He had more shots on goal per 90 minutes than chances created. Not surprised at that, he was superb, but to be honest ive not seen him have a really good match since his injury. Christmas 2015 playing as a false 9 at the height of BMX, we were destroying Man City and Man United amongst others and Bojan was integral to that. Then Hughes dropped him for literally no reason and he's not been given a fair chance / proper run of games ever since. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 14:33:39 GMT
Not surprised at that, he was superb, but to be honest ive not seen him have a really good match since his injury. Christmas 2015 playing as a false 9 at the height of BMX, we were destroying Man City and Man United amongst others and Bojan was integral to that. Then Hughes dropped him for literally no reason and he's not been given a fair chance / proper run of games ever since. At 3 different teams ? Why would that be then if he's so good ? 4 different managers too |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 2, 2018 14:41:55 GMT
Christmas 2015 playing as a false 9 at the height of BMX, we were destroying Man City and Man United amongst others and Bojan was integral to that. Then Hughes dropped him for literally no reason and he's not been given a fair chance / proper run of games ever since. At 3 different teams ? Why would that be then if he's so good ? 4 different managers too He realistically needs probably 8-10 starts to find some form and develop some confidence but none of them have offered him that, they want players to come in and do a job straight away. I can understand that but I don't agree with it, for instance I would say a 50% Bojan is no worse than any other attacker at the club, but when he does find form he'll be stratospheric. I'd rather take the hit on accepting that he won't offer too much for a few games but the payoff at the end of it will be well worth it. Bojan gets judged way too harshly by the phenomenal standards that he's set for himself in his good spells. Because he's not dismantling teams by himself people say he's crap and lost it etc, but even at his worst, he's still equal to James MacClean at his best, for instance. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 14:57:56 GMT
At 3 different teams ? Why would that be then if he's so good ? 4 different managers too He realistically needs probably 8-10 starts to find some form and develop some confidence but none of them have offered him that, they want players to come in and do a job straight away. I can understand that but I don't agree with it, for instance I would say a 50% Bojan is no worse than any other attacker at the club, but when he does find form he'll be stratospheric. I'd rather take the hit on accepting that he won't offer too much for a few games but the payoff at the end of it will be well worth it. Bojan gets judged way too harshly by the phenomenal standards that he's set for himself in his good spells. Because he's not dismantling teams by himself people say he's crap and lost it etc, but even at his worst, he's still equal to James MacClean at his best, for instance. I think the opposite is true, he looked good for a while and a few supporters have built him up to be 'stratospheric' ...your word...yet the reality is he doesn't do enough to influence games which is why all these clubs and managers are discarding him. I do agree he's the best natural finisher we have. You'd think if he was as good as you say he'd find this division a walk in the park but he can't even make the match day squad so he can't be impresssing in training either can he |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 14:59:04 GMT
He is but he's actually more of a goalscorer than a creator. I looked into the stats a while back and was very surprised with what I found. He had more shots on goal per 90 minutes than chances created. Not surprised at that, he was superb, but to be honest ive not seen him have a really good match since his injury. You under a rock for 2015/16? |
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Post by misii30 on Dec 2, 2018 15:04:51 GMT
Christmas 2015 playing as a false 9 at the height of BMX, we were destroying Man City and Man United amongst others and Bojan was integral to that. Then Hughes dropped him for literally no reason and he's not been given a fair chance / proper run of games ever since. At 3 different teams ? Why would that be then if he's so good ? 4 different managers too People like you like to bring up those loans without really having any idea what was happening at the time. The best part is when someone says he hasn't played well after the injury when in fact he played an integral role the season after. At Mainz he played well towards the end of the season (I watched all their matches after the loan deal), after getting in to the team. It has been a pattern throughout Bojans whole career that he needs some time to get going after a move or managerial change. He needs to feel appreciated to perform. The Alavés case has 0 to do with Bojan's ability or application. The board decided a few months after signing him that all the "Big Stars" of the team have to be offloaded - especially the ones on loan. He wasn't the only one to be handled like that, but their manager is on the record saying that the reason he's not playing Bojan is because of a direct order from above. Maybe Bojan isn't the world beater he looked like being in his first season here but what's damn sure is that he's good enough for us at this particular moment in time. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 2, 2018 15:13:26 GMT
Sadly Bojan seems to have played his last for us and will be moving to pastures new when the window opens - my suspicion is that a deal is conditionally agreed and the club don't want an injury scuppering it........I'm a big fan of the little man but seems he's not going to be part of the GR master plan
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