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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2018 9:01:32 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2018 20:07:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 20:10:58 GMT
To be fair he will dominate that rangers midfield. Thinking about it I could and I’m shit  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 25, 2018 20:17:11 GMT
I still think he has a creative spark that we need. I would offload Fletcher and upgrade Sørensen to the matchday squad. In my opinion Charlie would have been a better sub for us than Bojan in most games, especially when Crouch is on the pitch as well.  |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 8:40:25 GMT
On the Jim White show this morning as a host🤔
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Post by metalhead on Dec 6, 2018 10:17:15 GMT
Rowett has said Charlie works really hard in training. How? How can a player be as physically out of shape and also work hard in training? Working hard is turning up an hour earlier and leaving later, running so hard you're utterly throwing up by the end. I don't detect any of that from Adam.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2018 11:10:50 GMT
I still think he has a creative spark that we need. I would offload Fletcher and upgrade Sørensen to the matchday squad. In my opinion Charlie would have been a better sub for us than Bojan in most games, especially when Crouch is on the pitch as well. Gary Rowett despises creativity. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 12:52:19 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 6, 2018 12:57:51 GMT
Rowett has said Charlie works really hard in training. How? How can a player be as physically out of shape and also work hard in training? Working hard is turning up an hour earlier and leaving later, running so hard you're utterly throwing up by the end. I don't detect any of that from Adam. Adam looks fitter/trimmer now than at any time since he's been here. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 6, 2018 13:02:01 GMT
Like that well known continental import Wayne Rooney in your team's most crucial game of the season. Once again, Charlie Adam never fails to me laugh. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 6, 2018 13:08:27 GMT
Rowett has said Charlie works really hard in training. How? How can a player be as physically out of shape and also work hard in training? Working hard is turning up an hour earlier and leaving later, running so hard you're utterly throwing up by the end. I don't detect any of that from Adam. Adam looks fitter/trimmer now than at any time since he's been here. That may be true, but the fact you had to say it merely backs up my point. Since he's been here, it has taken him 5 years (?) to achieve peak fitness and he still seems a shadow of the player he was at Blackpool, when he was noticeably thinner. What does he do every day? You know when you're at work, and I'm at work, and everyone else is at work, and the players are at training....? What is Charlie Adam doing. Eating burgers? Kebabs? It isn't that hard to shed fat and build muscle. Whatever Charlie's excuse, I doubt it's acceptable. Don't get me wrong, I understand he's a bit of a lad and all that, but nah, not for me, his attitude off the pitch has left a lot to be desired. 100% commitment when on it, but that doesn't help when you're a yard off the rest. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 6, 2018 13:11:12 GMT
Why is he still here?
Why?!
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Post by lordb on Dec 6, 2018 13:13:34 GMT
Adam looks fitter/trimmer now than at any time since he's been here. That may be true, but the fact you had to say it merely backs up my point. Since he's been here, it has taken him 5 years (?) to achieve peak fitness and he still seems a shadow of the player he was at Blackpool, when he was noticeably thinner. What does he do every day? You know when you're at work, and I'm at work, and everyone else is at work, and the players are at training....? What is Charlie Adam doing. Eating burgers? Kebabs? It isn't that hard to shed fat and build muscle. Whatever Charlie's excuse, I doubt it's acceptable. Don't get me wrong, I understand he's a bit of a lad and all that, but nah, not for me, his attitude off the pitch has left a lot to be desired. 100% commitment when on it, but that doesn't help when you're a yard off the rest. His fitness hasn't been an issue at all in my opinion at any point except the last year or so of Hughes's tenure when EVERYONE'S fitness wasn't good enough. His red card habit has been a negative for sure, other than that Adam has been a bloody good player for Stoke. His legs are slowing now (that's age not fitness). How is he 'a bit of a lad',that suggests he's in pubs and nightclubs like Hudson or Liam Lawrence. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 13:21:28 GMT
Rowett has said Charlie works really hard in training. How? How can a player be as physically out of shape and also work hard in training? Working hard is turning up an hour earlier and leaving later, running so hard you're utterly throwing up by the end. I don't detect any of that from Adam. Because you can work hard, train hard and still be out of shape if the rest of the lifestyle negates it. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 15:29:43 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 6, 2018 15:34:37 GMT
Been a great player for Stoke City
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Post by metalhead on Dec 6, 2018 15:50:31 GMT
That may be true, but the fact you had to say it merely backs up my point. Since he's been here, it has taken him 5 years (?) to achieve peak fitness and he still seems a shadow of the player he was at Blackpool, when he was noticeably thinner. What does he do every day? You know when you're at work, and I'm at work, and everyone else is at work, and the players are at training....? What is Charlie Adam doing. Eating burgers? Kebabs? It isn't that hard to shed fat and build muscle. Whatever Charlie's excuse, I doubt it's acceptable. Don't get me wrong, I understand he's a bit of a lad and all that, but nah, not for me, his attitude off the pitch has left a lot to be desired. 100% commitment when on it, but that doesn't help when you're a yard off the rest. His fitness hasn't been an issue at all in my opinion at any point except the last year or so of Hughes's tenure when EVERYONE'S fitness wasn't good enough. His red card habit has been a negative for sure, other than that Adam has been a bloody good player for Stoke. His legs are slowing now (that's age not fitness). How is he 'a bit of a lad',that suggests he's in pubs and nightclubs like Hudson or Liam Lawrence. I feel like you've been watching a different Stoke City to me. A few years ago, Southampton away, Adam started and was absolutely knackered 20 minutes into the game. He was the first sub, taken off just after half time to relieved supporters in the stand. Southampton were on a bit of a roll so I'm not going to blame the defeat on him, but I remember him looking absolutely knackered part way through the first half. That is fairly unacceptable for a Premier League footballer. His red card habit only really hurt us in our relegation season. Although that also screams that he was incapable of controlling himself when we needed him most. His legs are slowing due to age and granted, that is an acceptable reason to atrophy as a player, but I would argue his lifestyle has been contributing to this since he was about 28. He's only 32 now. Gareth McAuley outpaced him about 12 months ago, at 38..... There were lots of rumours about his boozing before he signed for Stoke. It's hardly a secret.... oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/3779213  There are fucking loads of stories of Adam getting pissed up when he was younger.... perhaps some fabricated, but I suspect a fair few have a hint of truth. Nobody expected him to be an angel, but if you're going to be the Gazza-esque pisshead, you still have to keep yourself in shape and perform on the pitch. Rowett has said Charlie works really hard in training. How? How can a player be as physically out of shape and also work hard in training? Working hard is turning up an hour earlier and leaving later, running so hard you're utterly throwing up by the end. I don't detect any of that from Adam. Because you can work hard, train hard and still be out of shape if the rest of the lifestyle negates it. Possibly. Less calories in, more calories burned + exercise = fat burn. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 6, 2018 15:58:50 GMT
Outside of missing that penalty when has his supposed PISSHEAD antics and fatness hurt Stoke City?
no one gives Affelay grief for being Red Carded
Same as Jerome
People forget what he actually contributed
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Post by metalhead on Dec 6, 2018 16:41:52 GMT
Outside of missing that penalty when has his supposed PISSHEAD antics and fatness hurt Stoke City?no one gives Affelay grief for being Red Carded Same as Jerome People forget what he actually contributed It's not about when did they 'hurt' Stoke City.... it's about just how good Charlie Adam could have been for our club had he shown the level of dedication that other professionals do. How much better could Charlie Adam have been for us? Who knows? We'll never know.... You take care of your body, your body will take care of you. It's a mentality thing and some players are clearly just out for the 'banter'. Jermaine Pennant is another 'lad' footballer who was still getting pissed up in Ayia Napa at 29 and drunkenly abandoning cars on Hanley Tesco car park. Another player that should have been taking better care of himself. Two years later, he was playing in some noddy Singaporean League, getting paid pocket money.... He was non-league at 33, getting paid semi-pro money. Like I said, it's a mentality thing. I'm surprised Charlie Adam has actually survived in the upper echelons of football, as long as he has tbh. You look at players like Phil Neville, who maintained their fitness and conditioning well into their late 30's by knocking the ultra boozing and holidays to Ibiza on the head, and settling down in a bit. You wonder if Adam ever got the memo.... Charlie, you've had your fun, calm the fuck down and get yourself fit again. Clearly he didn't feel it was necessary.  Phil Neville at 36, in his final season for Everton. Premier League footballer right until the day he packed it in.... his own choice as well, not because Billericay Town think you're a dog shit pisshead who aren't worth paying £50 appearance fees too..... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 14:28:01 GMT
Outside of missing that penalty when has his supposed PISSHEAD antics and fatness hurt Stoke City?no one gives Affelay grief for being Red Carded Same as Jerome People forget what he actually contributed It's not about when did they 'hurt' Stoke City.... it's about just how good Charlie Adam could have been for our club had he shown the level of dedication that other professionals do. How much better could Charlie Adam have been for us? Who knows? We'll never know.... You take care of your body, your body will take care of you. It's a mentality thing and some players are clearly just out for the 'banter'. Jermaine Pennant is another 'lad' footballer who was still getting pissed up in Ayia Napa at 29 and drunkenly abandoning cars on Hanley Tesco car park. Another player that should have been taking better care of himself. Two years later, he was playing in some noddy Singaporean League, getting paid pocket money.... He was non-league at 33, getting paid semi-pro money. Like I said, it's a mentality thing. I'm surprised Charlie Adam has actually survived in the upper echelons of football, as long as he has tbh. You look at players like Phil Neville, who maintained their fitness and conditioning well into their late 30's by knocking the ultra boozing and holidays to Ibiza on the head, and settling down in a bit. You wonder if Adam ever got the memo.... Charlie, you've had your fun, calm the fuck down and get yourself fit again. Clearly he didn't feel it was necessary. Phil Neville at 36, in his final season for Everton. Premier League footballer right until the day he packed it in.... his own choice as well, not because Billericay Town think you're a dog shit pisshead who aren't worth paying £50 appearance fees too..... Agree with all of this. Some people on here insist that it's ok for him to be the way he is and you'll soon be accused of not being a sport scientist. But it's really really obvious he doesn't put the work in by comparison to his start at liverpool. i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/30/article-2122677-0D6BEC9B00000578-30_306x423.jpg |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 7, 2018 16:04:08 GMT
It's not about when did they 'hurt' Stoke City.... it's about just how good Charlie Adam could have been for our club had he shown the level of dedication that other professionals do. How much better could Charlie Adam have been for us? Who knows? We'll never know.... You take care of your body, your body will take care of you. It's a mentality thing and some players are clearly just out for the 'banter'. Jermaine Pennant is another 'lad' footballer who was still getting pissed up in Ayia Napa at 29 and drunkenly abandoning cars on Hanley Tesco car park. Another player that should have been taking better care of himself. Two years later, he was playing in some noddy Singaporean League, getting paid pocket money.... He was non-league at 33, getting paid semi-pro money. Like I said, it's a mentality thing. I'm surprised Charlie Adam has actually survived in the upper echelons of football, as long as he has tbh. You look at players like Phil Neville, who maintained their fitness and conditioning well into their late 30's by knocking the ultra boozing and holidays to Ibiza on the head, and settling down in a bit. You wonder if Adam ever got the memo.... Charlie, you've had your fun, calm the fuck down and get yourself fit again. Clearly he didn't feel it was necessary. Phil Neville at 36, in his final season for Everton. Premier League footballer right until the day he packed it in.... his own choice as well, not because Billericay Town think you're a dog shit pisshead who aren't worth paying £50 appearance fees too..... Agree with all of this. Some people on here insist that it's ok for him to be the way he is and you'll soon be accused of not being a sport scientist. But it's really really obvious he doesn't put the work in by comparison to his start at liverpool. i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/30/article-2122677-0D6BEC9B00000578-30_306x423.jpgI'm not a sports scientist at all, but you don't have to be a sports scientist to realise just how out of shape Charlie Adam is. His rapid decline as a footballer has been massively accelerated by his unwillingness to get in any shape. Last season, he overtook (or undertook, whichever way you look at it) Peter Crouch as the slowest footballer in the Premier League. So Peter Crouch, a 37 year old bean pole has somehow become quicker than Charlie Adam? No, the answer is Charlie Adam has neglected himself so much that his body is now atrophying much quicker than Crouch's, who evidently takes better care of himself. It's not about telling grown men they can't go out on the piss occasionally. I don't believe Stoke are in the habit of doing that, seeing as we've had players like Ric who were notorious in their 'partying', however it's all about making sure it doesn't impact on your performances. With Ric, it was clear it didn't, but it was also clear he took care of himself generally speaking. Adam looks like the kind of player who simply takes no care of what he eats or drinks, whereas other footballers perhaps give themselves a day off once a week while maintaining their healthy lifestyle the rest of the time. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 7, 2018 16:26:44 GMT
Outside of missing that penalty when has his supposed PISSHEAD antics and fatness hurt Stoke City? no one gives Affelay grief for being Red Carded Same as Jerome People forget what he actually contributed Adam got red carded in a crucial game against Everton. Doing a tackle that we all knew could see him sent off. The other day he was talking about 'leaving one in' on players to show them you're in a game with them, and it's that sort of thing that saw him lunge into Rooney. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 7, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
Against Bristol City, Adam barely managed half an hour before being replaced again (he come on for Fletcher).
Like as a professional footballer that is a joke. He may not be young anymore but he's not 33 until monday, he's hardly into Ryan Giggs territory yet.
His fitness is a joke. It arguably cost him the chance to get to that rebound in that missed penalty vs Brighton, it contributed to him getting sent off (it's his main tactic, lunging in at players to leave a mark on them), and it means instead of keeping the ball he just takes pot shots, because one once went in from the halfway line.
Thanks for the good memories, but it's time to go. Long overdue.
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Post by coldstreamer on Dec 7, 2018 17:18:26 GMT
i'm not doing my job, but i'm still getting paid for it. ..... and he's whining. fuck me! wish i could say i'm paid lot's of money, then have to go shoppin with the the pain in the arse i call my other half. (if i have to look at another fuckin Christmas tree!) ..sorry charlie time for you to go, macc need a midfielder. you'd be welcome there.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 7, 2018 19:46:29 GMT
Against Bristol City, Adam barely managed half an hour before being replaced again (he come on for Fletcher). Like as a professional footballer that is a joke. He may not be young anymore but he's not 33 until monday, he's hardly into Ryan Giggs territory yet. His fitness is a joke. It arguably cost him the chance to get to that rebound in that missed penalty vs Brighton, it contributed to him getting sent off (it's his main tactic, lunging in at players to leave a mark on them), and it means instead of keeping the ball he just takes pot shots, because one once went in from the halfway line. Thanks for the good memories, but it's time to go. Long overdue. You conclude he was taken off against Bristol City because he couldn't manage half an hour? Like the rest of your post. Utter piss. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 20:01:59 GMT
The photos of him from his time at Rangers, Blackpool and Liverpool compared to his time here are like chalk and cheese.
I think if he was honest with himself he'd admit he's been nowhere near as sharp and fit as he could have been. I think that's quite clear.
It's a crying shame for me. He's been nowhere near the worst for us and has actually had a positive influence on a lot of games he's played for us. He's certainly offered more than the likes of Imbula, who cost nearly 4 times the amount.
Like has been said above though, I just wonder "What if" had he kept himself in peak condition?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 7, 2018 20:04:15 GMT
Against Bristol City, Adam barely managed half an hour before being replaced again (he come on for Fletcher). Like as a professional footballer that is a joke. He may not be young anymore but he's not 33 until monday, he's hardly into Ryan Giggs territory yet. His fitness is a joke. It arguably cost him the chance to get to that rebound in that missed penalty vs Brighton, it contributed to him getting sent off (it's his main tactic, lunging in at players to leave a mark on them), and it means instead of keeping the ball he just takes pot shots, because one once went in from the halfway line. Thanks for the good memories, but it's time to go. Long overdue. You conclude he was taken off against Bristol City because he couldn't manage half an hour? Like the rest of your post. Utter piss. Well yeah, he was taken off again despite coming on as a substitute. Pretty embarrassing. If that's now acceptable we should just play a fan. At least they don't go mouthing off on the radio. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 7, 2018 20:15:34 GMT
You conclude he was taken off against Bristol City because he couldn't manage half an hour? Like the rest of your post. Utter piss. Well yeah, he was taken off again despite coming on as a substitute. Pretty embarrassing. If that's now acceptable we should just play a fan. At least they don't go mouthing off on the radio. So you're maintaining he was taken off for fitness issues? Were you there? |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 7, 2018 20:28:43 GMT
Well yeah, he was taken off again despite coming on as a substitute. Pretty embarrassing. If that's now acceptable we should just play a fan. At least they don't go mouthing off on the radio. So you're maintaining he was taken off for fitness issues? Were you there? Well I never said for sure he was. Although there is a pattern of him generally being and looking unfit. Photos of him in pre-season made him look on the verge of having a heart attack. I mean I was sort of hoping that after last season's shambles people would stop defending him, yes he ha some good moments here but they were ages ago. He's an embarrassment now |
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Post by ursems2boots on Dec 7, 2018 20:36:45 GMT
I’ll be sad to see Charlie go... one of the few players who can pick a pass and play the ball forward...he’s still a better option than Fletch
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