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Apr 20, 2019 16:53:58 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 20, 2019 16:53:58 GMT
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Apr 20, 2019 16:58:18 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 20, 2019 16:58:18 GMT
Doesn't seem to be any sign of the gilets jaunes protests finishing any time soon. This is footage of today's protest in Paris, but there are more protests right across France - for the 23rd week. Macrons stormtroopers out again..... watching it live now absolutely disgusting Coming to a town in Europe near you very soon... It will be fine we won’t know there French as they will have a Eu badge on the sleeve
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Apr 20, 2019 18:16:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 18:16:22 GMT
The Gilets jaune may actually be a minority when it comes to the ballot box ( perhaps Dee could throw light on this).. but what is clear....the protests have had a significant impact across France, they do seem to have been peaceful, they have not been handled very well by o authorities, the Police have come out of it very badly, they are not going to simply go away. Big John, From what I have been told by my friends in Clermont-Ferrand, the majority of French voters wanted the gilets jaunes to end their protests a few weeks ago in readiness for Macron's "solution" following the "big debate". It seemed his popularity was on the increase as there was some hope he would address the issues that had been raised. From what I can gather it seems while the numbers of protesters taking to the streets on Saturdays over the last three months have decreased compared to almost 300,000 for the first protest on November 17th - opinion polls had repeatedly shown the public overwhelmingly backed the movement with 66% of the public in favour of the protests. In March however a new poll showed that 55% of French people wanted the protests to stop as they said that the protests had had the effect of making Macron listen to the people and to hopefully make some concessions. The number of people protesting on the streets each weekend has steadily declined since the turn of the year although a lot of that is thought to be due to the increasing levels of violence by the police and riot squads deployed. My friends have also said that some left and right wing extremist groups who were once in a minority were now much more present in the protests. While the image of the movement did suffer in March the same cannot be said for Macron. His popularity sank to an all-time low (19%) at the start of the movement in November but according to the poll around 32 percent of the French public recently believed Macron was "doing a good job", which is almost the same level as before the yellow vest movement began. Interestingly part of this resurgence is due to his "tough stance" about Brexit where he is seen in France to have been the main EU voice against a long Brexit delay. Whilst he is more popular at the moment all that could rapidly change with his forthcoming statement on the solutions following the "big debate". If his proposals don't satisfy the gilets jaunes, or even the more moderate voters, the protests could soon become even bigger. The original protests were about immigration, austerity, and tax rises, but Frexit became an issue for a time, and now ousting Macron from office has become a prime goal irrespective of his big debate solutions.
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Apr 20, 2019 18:20:28 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 20, 2019 18:20:28 GMT
The Gilets jaune may actually be a minority when it comes to the ballot box ( perhaps Dee could throw light on this).. but what is clear....the protests have had a significant impact across France, they do seem to have been peaceful, they have not been handled very well by o authorities, the Police have come out of it very badly, they are not going to simply go away. Big John, From what I have been told by my friends in Clermont-Ferrand, the majority of French voters wanted the gilets jaunes to end their protests a few weeks ago in readiness for Macron's "solution" following the "big debate". It seemed his popularity was on the increase as there was some hope he would address the issues that had been raised. From what I can gather it seems while the numbers of protesters taking to the streets on Saturdays over the last three months have decreased compared to almost 300,000 for the first protest on November 17th - opinion polls had repeatedly shown the public overwhelmingly backed the movement with 66% of the public in favour of the protests. In March however a new poll showed that 55% of French people wanted the protests to stop as they said that the protests had had the effect of making Macron listen to the people and to hopefully make some concessions. The number of people protesting on the streets each weekend has steadily declined since the turn of the year although a lot of that is thought to be due to the increasing levels of violence by the police and riot squads deployed. My friends have also said that some left and right wing extremist groups who were once in a minority were now much more present in the protests. While the image of the movement did suffer in March the same cannot be said for Macron. His popularity sank to an all-time low (19%) at the start of the movement in November but according to the poll around 32 percent of the French public recently believed Macron was "doing a good job", which is almost the same level as before the yellow vest movement began. Interestingly part of this resurgence is due to his "tough stance" about Brexit where he is seen in France to have been the main EU voice against a long Brexit delay. Whilst he is more popular at the moment all that could rapidly change with his forthcoming statement on the solutions following the "big debate". If his proposals don't satisfy the gilets jaunes, or even the more moderate voters, the protests could soon become even bigger. The original protests were about immigration, austerity, and tax rises, but Frexit became an issue for a time, and now ousting Macron from office has become a prime goal irrespective of his big debate solutions. Thanks Dee
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Apr 20, 2019 18:51:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 18:51:57 GMT
Big John, From what I have been told by my friends in Clermont-Ferrand, the majority of French voters wanted the gilets jaunes to end their protests a few weeks ago in readiness for Macron's "solution" following the "big debate". It seemed his popularity was on the increase as there was some hope he would address the issues that had been raised. From what I can gather it seems while the numbers of protesters taking to the streets on Saturdays over the last three months have decreased compared to almost 300,000 for the first protest on November 17th - opinion polls had repeatedly shown the public overwhelmingly backed the movement with 66% of the public in favour of the protests. In March however a new poll showed that 55% of French people wanted the protests to stop as they said that the protests had had the effect of making Macron listen to the people and to hopefully make some concessions. The number of people protesting on the streets each weekend has steadily declined since the turn of the year although a lot of that is thought to be due to the increasing levels of violence by the police and riot squads deployed. My friends have also said that some left and right wing extremist groups who were once in a minority were now much more present in the protests. While the image of the movement did suffer in March the same cannot be said for Macron. His popularity sank to an all-time low (19%) at the start of the movement in November but according to the poll around 32 percent of the French public recently believed Macron was "doing a good job", which is almost the same level as before the yellow vest movement began. Interestingly part of this resurgence is due to his "tough stance" about Brexit where he is seen in France to have been the main EU voice against a long Brexit delay. Whilst he is more popular at the moment all that could rapidly change with his forthcoming statement on the solutions following the "big debate". If his proposals don't satisfy the gilets jaunes, or even the more moderate voters, the protests could soon become even bigger. The original protests were about immigration, austerity, and tax rises, but Frexit became an issue for a time, and now ousting Macron from office has become a prime goal irrespective of his big debate solutions. Thanks Dee It's not looking good is it ? I can't really see this stopping anytime soon irrespective of whatever Macron's "solutions" may be as there doesn't seem to be much confidence that he will actually address the various grievances. As I said previously one of the main aims, if not the number one goal, has now become ousting Macron from office and a "revolution" to deal with the problems. My friends have said that the French have accepted the fact that these protests could easily continue well into the summer. The protesters will not let this rest until they see real change. It's disgraceful that week after week there is absolutely no coverage of this on any of our news channels. I did email the BBC about this some weeks back and eventually received a reply full of waffle which basically said that they base their coverage on if there is anything new happening. If it's "....just a continuation of an existing story (their description) then we see no value for the viewer in our broadcasting the story".
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Apr 24, 2019 21:20:46 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 24, 2019 21:20:46 GMT
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Apr 24, 2019 21:57:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 21:57:59 GMT
Macron is supposed to be making his long awaited statement on Thursday evening about what he's going to do after the gilets jaunes protests and the nationwide "big debate". Certain bits have been leaked and the general consensus is that he's not been listening.
If he doesn't respond to the main issues, tax rises, immigration, and austerity, then there it's thought there will be a very big reaction on May 1st by the gilets jaines, and across France generally.
Macron seems to be gambling that he can get away with just doing the minimum but people think he's not prepared to fully meet the demands or concerns of the gilets jaunes.
I'm told that the "police in jeans" are a special "task force" or anti riot squad - don't know if this correct though.
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Apr 25, 2019 5:22:36 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 25, 2019 5:22:36 GMT
Macron is supposed to be making his long awaited statement on Thursday evening about what he's going to do after the gilets jaunes protests and the nationwide "big debate". Certain bits have been leaked and the general consensus is that he's not been listening. If he doesn't respond to the main issues, tax rises, immigration, and austerity, then there it's thought there will be a very big reaction on May 1st by the gilets jaines, and across France generally. Macron seems to be gambling that he can get away with just doing the minimum but people think he's not prepared to fully meet the demands or concerns of the gilets jaunes. I'm told that the "police in jeans" are a special "task force" or anti riot squad - don't know if this correct though. The 'dudes in jeans'... it's weird but I keep having flashbacks of those Russian (stormtrooper) 'fans' at the '16 Euros. Russian trained.paramilitaries? Or the real thing - a hired gang of Ruskies to put on the streets. No local sentimentalities. Wonder if the Euros were training for what was to come. I, Paranoid android.
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Apr 25, 2019 6:46:41 GMT
Post by bathstoke on Apr 25, 2019 6:46:41 GMT
No way more than what happened to the NUM in 85. Imagine if we’d had mobile phones back then...
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Apr 25, 2019 6:50:55 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 25, 2019 6:50:55 GMT
No way more than what happened to the NUM in 85. Imagine if we’d had mobile phones back then... Are you saying that the state treatment/methods of the protests in France is therefore justified
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Apr 25, 2019 7:05:02 GMT
Post by bathstoke on Apr 25, 2019 7:05:02 GMT
No way more than what happened to the NUM in 85. Imagine if we’d had mobile phones back then... Are you saying that the state treatment/methods of the protests in France is therefore justified Not at all John, just a bit of a reaction to Darren from Plymouth’s line to his video. Do we still call them videos now they’re digital!?!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 25, 2019 7:33:09 GMT
Are you saying that the state treatment/methods of the protests in France is therefore justified Not at all John, just a bit of a reaction to Darren from Plymouth’s line to his video. Do we still call them videos now they’re digital!?! I've always thought that many things in history would be seen/ interpreted differently if we had mobile phones and social media in the past. One example for me is the stick and scrutiny that Trump gets ( justified or not)..... I'm not sure that the Kennedys or Clinton would survive such personal scrutiny. Both could possibly be called womanisers at least. I wonder if Heath would have survived
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Apr 25, 2019 8:57:10 GMT
Post by henry on Apr 25, 2019 8:57:10 GMT
No way more than what happened to the NUM in 85. Imagine if we’d had mobile phones back then... As i recall the miners strike was always on the news. Are you saying that a media black out of people getting seriously injured by the police is ok. As other have said, imagine letting the EU have a fucking army, doesn't bare thinking about.
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Apr 25, 2019 22:03:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 22:03:54 GMT
So Macron has made his statement tonight and has promised tax cuts, higher pensions, more Proportional Representation at elections, a reform of the civil service, and acknowledged a general lack of trust in "the establishment".
The overall message was not what needs to change (which is what the gilets jaunes were demanding), but what needs to stay the same as he said his policies were right for France.
Overall some sectors of the French voters will be pleased and relieved that not much has really changed, but importantly the gilets jaunes will not be happy as Macron has not really responded to their demands and the mood at the moment seems to be that the protests could be very likely to continue with a big one planned for May 1st.
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Apr 25, 2019 22:14:44 GMT
Post by murphthesurf on Apr 25, 2019 22:14:44 GMT
So Macron has made his statement tonight and has promised tax cuts, higher pensions, more Proportional Representation at elections, a reform of the civil service, and acknowledged a general lack of trust in "the establishment". The overall message was not what needs to change (which is what the gilets jaunes were demanding), but what needs to stay the same as he said his policies were right for France. Overall some sectors of the French voters will be pleased and relieved that not much has really changed, but importantly the gilets jaunes will not be happy as Macron has not really responded to their demands and the mood at the moment seems to be that the protests could be very likely to continue with a big one planned for May 1st. Spot on, Dees. After all, he's incapable! Methinks the sooner 'Madame Guillotine' reappears in Place de la Concorde the better!
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Apr 27, 2019 15:26:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 15:26:54 GMT
There's another large protest by the gilets jaunes in Paris today. At the present time it looks to be peaceful and entirely trouble free. As expected it looks like Macron's speech on Thursday has not really done anything to placate or satisfy the demands of the protesters.
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Apr 27, 2019 17:33:02 GMT
Post by foghornsgleghorn on Apr 27, 2019 17:33:02 GMT
No way more than what happened to the NUM in 85. Imagine if we’d had mobile phones back then... As i recall the miners strike was always on the news. Are you saying that a media black out of people getting seriously injured by the police is ok. As other have said, imagine letting the EU have a fucking army, doesn't bare thinking about. If the EU is intending having an army there will be absolutely nothing the UK can do about it once we leave.
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Apr 27, 2019 18:45:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 18:45:45 GMT
Extract from Reuters article today (I can't do the link)
The gilets jaunes were protesting in Strasbourg today, intending to march towards the European Parliament building on the 24th consecutive weekend of protests against President Emmanuel Macron's policies.
Around 5,000 protesters gathered near the seat of European Union institutions in Strasbourg, where organisers had planned to make the protest international by symbolically marching to the parliament building, a month ahead of EU-wide parliamentary elections. Other major protests took place in Paris, Lyon, Bordeaux, with smaller protests taking place in many other French towns and cities.
The protesters were back on the streets across France two days after Macron outlined policy proposals including tax cuts worth around 5 billion euros ($5.58 billion) in response to the protests. The protests began in November over fuel tax increases but has morphed into a sometimes violent revolt against politicians and a government they see as completely out of touch. Many in the grassroots movement, which lacks a leadership structure, have said Macron's proposals did not go far enough and most of what he announced lacked details.
Further protests are planned in the coming weeks.
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Apr 27, 2019 20:44:40 GMT
Post by henry on Apr 27, 2019 20:44:40 GMT
As i recall the miners strike was always on the news. Are you saying that a media black out of people getting seriously injured by the police is ok. As other have said, imagine letting the EU have a fucking army, doesn't bare thinking about. If the EU is intending having an army there will be absolutely nothing the UK can do about it once we leave. Nothing we can do about it if we remain either. The will of the EU is absolute.
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May 1, 2019 16:11:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 16:11:01 GMT
As was promised, the gilets jaunes have been protesting against Macron again today. Typically severe response from the police and riot squads. linkIt's estimated there were 300,000 protestors in Paris, with other protests in Lyon, Marseille, Nantes, Montpellier, Clermont-Ferrand, St. Etienne, Besançon, Strasbourg, Lille, as well as numerous other towns and cities across France according to the police. I notice Verhofstadt, Tusk and Drunker don't make any reference about how wonderful things are today in those corners of their Empire that are right next door.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 1, 2019 21:06:56 GMT
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May 1, 2019 22:33:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 22:33:27 GMT
This same thing has been happening all across France for weeks. Several people have been arrested but later released without charge. A lot of the unrest is due to Macron's tax policies, austerity, fuel prices and immigration, BUT Frexit just won't go away. I'm told one of the main reasons preventing it from really taking off is that the French have seen how difficult the U.K. has made it. If we'd had a Brexiteer negotiator and left on 29th March as originally intended, then Frexit would have far more impetus and support. As it is it the elephant in the room.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 14:46:41 GMT
For the 25th weekend the gilets jaunes staged major protests in Paris and across France, although the numbers of people are said to be much lower than at the May 1st protests.
Macron's recent proposals to change the tax system, address austerity etc just haven't had any effect and haven't improved the mood of the protesters at all. The main aim is to get Macron out of office. Frexit is still one of the side issues but the main emphasis is to remove Macron.
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May 5, 2019 15:59:47 GMT
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Post by Absolution on May 5, 2019 15:59:47 GMT
For the 25th weekend the gilets jaunes staged major protests in Paris and across France, although the numbers of people are said to be much lower than at the May 1st protests. Macron's recent proposals to change the tax system, address austerity etc just haven't had any effect and haven't improved the mood of the protesters at all. The main aim is to get Macron out of office. Frexit is still one of the side issues but the main emphasis is to remove Macron. Love these updates mate. Keep 'em coming.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 16:49:47 GMT
For the 25th weekend the gilets jaunes staged major protests in Paris and across France, although the numbers of people are said to be much lower than at the May 1st protests. Macron's recent proposals to change the tax system, address austerity etc just haven't had any effect and haven't improved the mood of the protesters at all. The main aim is to get Macron out of office. Frexit is still one of the side issues but the main emphasis is to remove Macron. Love these updates mate. Keep 'em coming. Thanks mate - I'm only trying to give an insight into what's going on, especially as there is little or no coverage on our TV. My Froggy friends send me loads of links but I don't want to bombard the Oatie with them all. One of the new gilets jaunes slogans is "France is yellow...until Macron leaves" There's a video on youtube of the protest in Toulouse on Saturday - the bit at 9.00 mins is interesting, apart from some of the other police and gendarme tactics. I can't post the link but if you're interested go to "YELLOW VESTS vs POLICE TOULOUSE france WEEK 25, Gilets Jaunes,gele hesjes acte 25(4-5-2019)" There is similar footage of a protest in Lyon.
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May 5, 2019 17:32:19 GMT
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Post by Absolution on May 5, 2019 17:32:19 GMT
Love these updates mate. Keep 'em coming. Thanks mate - I'm only trying to give an insight into what's going on, especially as there is little or no coverage on our TV. My Froggy friends send me loads of links but I don't want to bombard the Oatie with them all. One of the new gilets jaunes slogans is "France is yellow...until Macron leaves" There's a video on youtube of the protest in Toulouse on Saturday - the bit at 9.00 mins is interesting, apart from some of the other police and gendarme tactics. I can't post the link but if you're interested go to "YELLOW VESTS vs POLICE TOULOUSE france WEEK 25, Gilets Jaunes,gele hesjes acte 25(4-5-2019)" There is similar footage of a protest in Lyon. Cheers deeside, is it being covered on French TV, or are they blacking it out? If it's true that our media have been instructed not to show it, it's just something else that points to our government actually acting in the EU's interests by keeping us in the dark.
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May 5, 2019 18:03:51 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 18:03:51 GMT
Thanks mate - I'm only trying to give an insight into what's going on, especially as there is little or no coverage on our TV. My Froggy friends send me loads of links but I don't want to bombard the Oatie with them all. One of the new gilets jaunes slogans is "France is yellow...until Macron leaves" There's a video on youtube of the protest in Toulouse on Saturday - the bit at 9.00 mins is interesting, apart from some of the other police and gendarme tactics. I can't post the link but if you're interested go to "YELLOW VESTS vs POLICE TOULOUSE france WEEK 25, Gilets Jaunes,gele hesjes acte 25(4-5-2019)" There is similar footage of a protest in Lyon. Cheers deeside, is it being covered on French TV, or are they blacking it out? If it's true that our media have been instructed not to show it, it's just something else that points to our government actually acting in the EU's interests by keeping us in the dark. From what I've been told there is coverage in France, but it would be hard, and stupid, not to cover it really as it's taking place in Paris and many towns and cities every weekend. I don't know if there is a D Notice over here (some seem to think there is, even some on here have said so) but the almost total lack of coverage does seem to point to a media wide blackout whether it's due to government orders or just an agreement between the various news organisations. If there is a ban I think it would be partly to protect the EU "image", but also to try to prevent any similar protests taking place over here. They seem to forget that social media is everywhere and we can see live footage instantly anyway. I've said previously that I've contacted the BBC on several occasions about the lack of information and coverage but they just basically gave me some "corporate waffle" without really answering my questions, and noticeably there was no response or reference to my question about a D Notice. I think we can draw our own conclusion as to what is happening, and why.
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May 5, 2019 19:07:16 GMT
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Post by Absolution on May 5, 2019 19:07:16 GMT
Cheers deeside, is it being covered on French TV, or are they blacking it out? If it's true that our media have been instructed not to show it, it's just something else that points to our government actually acting in the EU's interests by keeping us in the dark. From what I've been told there is coverage in France, but it would be hard, and stupid, not to cover it really as it's taking place in Paris and many towns and cities every weekend. I don't know if there is a D Notice over here (some seem to think there is, even some on here have said so) but the almost total lack of coverage does seem to point to a media wide blackout whether it's due to government orders or just an agreement between the various news organisations. If there is a ban I think it would be partly to protect the EU "image", but also to try to prevent any similar protests taking place over here. They seem to forget that social media is everywhere and we can see live footage instantly anyway. I've said previously that I've contacted the BBC on several occasions about the lack of information and coverage but they just basically gave me some "corporate waffle" without really answering my questions, and noticeably there was no response or reference to my question about a D Notice. I think we can draw our own conclusion as to what is happening, and why. Well, if they're not telling us what's happening and they're not giving us a viable explanation as to why they're ignoring such a massive and long-running news story, then we can't do anything other than draw our own conclusions. Given everything else that's happening, I'll conclude that none of this is for our benefit. You also have to wonder how much has been covered up in the past before the social media age. They had it so easy then.
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May 5, 2019 19:44:49 GMT
Post by Northy on May 5, 2019 19:44:49 GMT
Good footage out there of Macron getting egged earlier
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May 5, 2019 20:08:32 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 5, 2019 20:08:32 GMT
This can't be justified just because the culprits are acting on behalf of the state. Any other country and it would be seen as police brutality and a police state. Even if the authorities believe that the yellow vests are wrong this is no way to treat them.
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