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Post by spitthedog on Nov 24, 2018 22:29:14 GMT
His man scored them both thatโs shy He is not a defender, where were the defenders?? The ones that defend ?? How come the left back has not taken any stick for either of the goals??? He was nowhere to be seen
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 24, 2018 22:34:31 GMT
Tom Edwards 7 ๐๐๐๐๐๐ He was fuckin dreadful today summed up by that free kick at the end๐ If you get the chance to watch their first goal check out Inceโs support of Edwards. Ince is a legend in his own mind, Ince plays for Ince not th3team
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2018 22:36:11 GMT
His man scored them both thatโs shy He is not a defender, where were the defenders?? The ones that defend ?? Marking players they were allocated unlike McClean
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2018 22:37:12 GMT
Tom Edwards 7 ๐๐๐๐๐๐ He was fuckin dreadful today summed up by that free kick at the end๐ If you get the chance to watch their first goal check out Inceโs support of Edwards. ย Ince is a legend in his own mind, Ince plays for Ince not th3team I donโt disagree with that mate but Edwards has to do better
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Post by eriksson74 on Nov 24, 2018 22:42:10 GMT
McLean fucked up twice for the first goal, he initially got sucked inside and allowed QPR an easy out and then ball watched in our box.
I was livid with him for his lack of game awareness for the second QPR goal, well it's just a complete switch off and entirely down to him. Shame he hadn't learnt from doing exactly the same just after half when he again let his man run past.
I thought Clucas showed good signs given first start after so long out but thought Saido was mom as defended from the front and caused issues with complete lack of support.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 24, 2018 22:48:47 GMT
My ratings
Butland - 6 Edwards - 5 Indi - 6 Shawcross - 6 Williams - 6 Clucas - 5 Allen - 7 Woods - 6 Ince -6 McCLean - 6 Berahino - 7
Clucas was disappointing, I hope he's just unfit! Edwards isn't as good as we think he is but gets into decent positions. Shouldn't have let him take the free-kick near the end though, which was a criminal waste. Ince is a luxury player (or rather that's what it looks like he aspires to be) We were very pedestrian. Don't look confident enough to shift the ball forward. A few times we were in decent positions and ended up contriving to get the ball back to Butland Berahino gets in decent positions but lacks killer instinct. Just scrapes 7 for me, as does Allen who is looking better than in the earlier part of the season. McClean was our biggest threat going forward, at least he ruffles a few feathers (on the pitch that is!) How deep is Woods playing? virtually behind the back four at home!
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Post by thicknthin on Nov 24, 2018 22:52:35 GMT
My ratings Butland - 6 Edwards - 5 Indi - 6 Shawcross - 6 Williams - 6 Clucas - 5 Allen - 7 Woods - 6 Ince -6 McCLean - 6 Berahino - 7 Clucas was disappointing, I hope he's just unfit! Edwards isn't as good as we think he is but gets into decent positions. Shouldn't have let him take the free-kick near the end though, which was a criminal waste. Ince is a luxury player (or rather that's what it looks like he aspires to be) We were very pedestrian. Don't look confident enough to shift the ball forward. A few times we were in decent positions and ended up contriving to get the ball back to Butland Berahino gets in decent positions but lacks killer instinct. Just scrapes 7 for me, as does Allen who is looking better than in the earlier part of the season. McClean was our biggest threat going forward, at least he ruffles a few feathers (on the pitch that is!) How deep is Woods playing? virtually behind the back four at home! Wow? We couldn't see a game more different
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 24, 2018 23:06:24 GMT
To give scores like considering the opposition and our performance is sycophantic nonsense.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 25, 2018 1:05:54 GMT
McClean was our best attacking player today. The fella he was supposed to be marking was the most effective attacking player on the pitch. McClean was totally mugged off by a 36 year old RB.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 25, 2018 1:14:47 GMT
McCleanโs fault for both goals mate How can he be at fault for both of their goals he is not a defender ?? Our best player again The fella who scored 2 for them is. On the first goal McClean went in for a ball in the centre circle that he was never going to reach. He left a huge gap behind him with BMI totally exposed against 2 of their players. He then hung around in midfield instead of tracking back to pick his full back despite them cocking up the original chance.He had plenty of time to try to rctify his original mistake but chose instead to ponce around in the middle of the field. He really is a poor footballer.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 25, 2018 2:42:13 GMT
Butland-6,
Edwards-6, Shawcross-6, Williams-7, Indi-6, (he's not a full-back though is he)
Woods-6, (this guy seems to be getting worse with each game???) Clucus-7, Allen-7, (MotM, just for the second half showing)
Ince-6, (got the skill, just not the football brain) McClean-6, did better today, but his best is average!!!
Berahino-6, like any other striker we've played, or ever likely to play under Rowett, he was isolated, and had to do a lot of work for himself!!!
Subs:
Bojan-6, not sure what you could really expect him to do....he warmed up, stripped off, ready to come on, then we scored, and he was told to sit back down again??? Why??? Was he gonna come on for Allen before we scored??? Doubt it very much!!!
Afobe-5, came on up front....then 2 minutes later, was pushed out to the right???
Crouch-6, looked capable of causing them trouble, but again, Rowett subs were just a little to late!!!
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Post by pottarius on Nov 25, 2018 3:54:18 GMT
Butland - 6 Edwards - 4 Indi - 5 Shawcross - 6 Williams - 6 Clucas - 5 Allen - 6 Woods - 5 Ince -6 McCLean - 5 (going forward was menacing as was his lack of tracking back) Saido - 7
Bojan - 5 (wrong position!) Afobe - 6 (ditto) Crouch - 4 ( apart from the header whilst offside he looked terrible I thought)
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 25, 2018 7:36:58 GMT
How can he be at fault for both of their goals he is not a defender ?? Our best player again The fella who scored 2 for them is. On the first goal McClean went in for a ball in the centre circle that he was never going to reach. He left a huge gap behind him with BMI totally exposed against 2 of their players. He then hung around in midfield instead of tracking back to pick his full back despite them cocking up the original chance.He had plenty of time to try to rctify his original mistake but chose instead to ponce around in the middle of the field. He really is a poor footballer. We've seen him do exactly the same earlier in the season too. I don't think it's lack of commitment, but lack of understanding for the game. As said earlier not the brightest footballer on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 9:01:56 GMT
The fella who scored 2 for them is. On the first goal McClean went in for a ball in the centre circle that he was never going to reach. He left a huge gap behind him with BMI totally exposed against 2 of their players. He then hung around in midfield instead of tracking back to pick his full back despite them cocking up the original chance.He had plenty of time to try to rctify his original mistake but chose instead to ponce around in the middle of the field. He really is a poor footballer. We've seen him do exactly the same earlier in the season too. I don't think it's lack of commitment, but lack of understanding for the game. As said earlier not the brightest footballer on the pitch. I haven't seen any replays ....if it were Match of the day they'd analysis the build up....so I can't say for definite that both their goals came from McLean not tracking back but it did look that way....and he does have previous this season. Seems he just falls asleep when we don't have the ball. You could then,by the same token,blame QPRs wingers for not covering Clucas and McLean at the far posts for our goals could you not ?
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 25, 2018 9:14:40 GMT
We've seen him do exactly the same earlier in the season too. I don't think it's lack of commitment, but lack of understanding for the game. As said earlier not the brightest footballer on the pitch. I haven't seen any replays ....if it were Match of the day they'd analysis the build up....so I can't say for definite that both their goals came from McLean not tracking back but it did look that way....and he does have previous this season. Seems he just falls asleep when we don't have the ball. You could then,by the same token,blame QPRs wingers for not covering Clucas and McLean at the far posts for our goals could you not ? Of course, but I really don't care about what their players do.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 25, 2018 9:18:09 GMT
Interesting that Clucas looks like being yet another player that splits opinion. I thought he was good but clearly some didnโt rate him at all.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 25, 2018 9:25:14 GMT
Interesting that Clucas looks like being yet another player that splits opinion. I thought he was good but clearly some didnโt rate him at all. Thought he did OK, but all players need games to get that extra sharpness. He'll come good.
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 25, 2018 9:38:20 GMT
Butland 6 Edwards 5 Shawcross 7 Williams 6 Bruno 5 Woods 6 Allen 8 mom Ince 5 McClean 6 Clucas 5 Berahino 5
In truth I don't think anyone was particularly great but Allen shades it for me
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Post by Godo on Nov 25, 2018 9:39:42 GMT
McCleanโs fault for both goals mate How can he be at fault for both of their goals he is not a defender ?? Our best player again It's a shame people don't have to pass some sort of a test of competence and understanding before they are allowed to post such silly nonsense......
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Post by Godo on Nov 25, 2018 10:11:35 GMT
Butland 6 thought his positioning was at fault for their second should have been 3 feet forward and 3 feet to the left. Edwards 5 tried and it's good to see him trying to play but was too easily left behind for their first (Eze was v good but obviously v right footed so why show him inside?) Free kicks poor but why rely on a kid to take them) M Indi 5 playing out of position but caught out of position a few times and as ever from left back no service into the box Shawcross 5/6 difficult to judge because again had no one up against him. Williams 5/6 Did ok but like Shawcross little pace and always feels like an accident waiting to happen Woods 5 Not strong enough in the tackle to be our holding midfielder Clucas 6 did ok as he returns to match fitness Allen 8 fantastic effort, drive and application Ince 7 created both goals and our primary source of creativity McLean 6 worked hard and looked more of a threat going forward but lost his man for both of their goals Berahino 7 worked hard, scored, applied himself
Rowett 4 poor substitutions and opting for lump down the middle last 10 minutes made it easier for QPR who Eze aside looked bog standard.
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Post by laneendstokie on Nov 25, 2018 10:23:14 GMT
...and their right back scored twice because the stupid c---- didn't track back early enough twice! He sure isn't the brightest player on the pitch! I could do with seeing the first goal again, looked to me like Indi was nowhere near his man. And Edwards totally failed to do his job got turned inside out for the cross
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 25, 2018 10:28:47 GMT
He is not a defender, where were the defenders?? The ones that defend ?? How come the left back has not taken any stick for either of the goals??? He was nowhere to be seen Because the left Back was doing his job and was marking his man tightly on both goals whereas McClean left his man.
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Post by potterpaul on Nov 25, 2018 11:05:29 GMT
Interesting that Clucas looks like being yet another player that splits opinion. I thought he was good but clearly some didnโt rate him at all. Thought he did OK, but all players need games to get that extra sharpness. He'll come good. Can you name a Stoke player who as ACTUALLY come good in recent times. Most actually go off the boil after a couple of games.....Woods etc
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 25, 2018 13:33:17 GMT
Thought he did OK, but all players need games to get that extra sharpness. He'll come good. Can you name a Stoke player who as ACTUALLY come good in recent times. Most actually go off the boil after a couple of games.....Woods etc I think Ince, Woods and Etebo have done resonably well and hopefully Clucas will too, but still early days for all these players actually. Afobe started brightly and undoubtedly possesses a lot of qualities, but I don't think he is a lone strike despite being played in that position.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 25, 2018 21:43:55 GMT
Butland 6 Edwards 4 Shawcross 5 Williams 6 Indi 6 Woods 4 Clucas 5 Allen 6 McClean 6 Ince 6 Berahino 7 Thought Berahino was comfortably our best player. Two assists for McClean but also at fault for both their goals. Letting Angel Rangel score once is embarrassing enough, letting him score twice is just a complete piss take. Woods had his worst game for us, his tackling is woefuland Edwards was very poor as well, although he did but a couple of superb crosses in. The first assist was Clucas not McLean, these gingers all look the same!!
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Post by Veritas on Nov 25, 2018 21:47:53 GMT
Butland 6 thought his positioning was at fault for their second should have been 3 feet forward and 3 feet to the left. Edwards 5 tried and it's good to see him trying to play but was too easily left behind for their first (Eze was v good but obviously v right footed so why show him inside?) Free kicks poor but why rely on a kid to take them) M Indi 5 playing out of position but caught out of position a few times and as ever from left back no service into the box Shawcross 5/6 difficult to judge because again had no one up against him. Williams 5/6 Did ok but like Shawcross little pace and always feels like an accident waiting to happen Woods 5 Not strong enough in the tackle to be our holding midfielder Clucas 6 did ok as he returns to match fitness Allen 8 fantastic effort, drive and application Ince 7 created both goals and our primary source of creativity McLean 6 worked hard and looked more of a threat going forward but lost his man for both of their goals Berahino 7 worked hard, scored, applied himself Rowett 4 poor substitutions and opting for lump down the middle last 10 minutes made it easier for QPR who Eze aside looked bog standard. Other than the Butland comments agree with most of this, Edwards and McLean at fault for both goals but main issue was again the lack of creativity and pace.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 25, 2018 23:03:04 GMT
I could do with seeing the first goal again, looked to me like Indi was nowhere near his man. And Edwards totally failed to do his job got turned inside out for the cross After seeing the replay it was a bit off a fuck up all round, Indi had his man so sod knows what I saw
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 25, 2018 23:42:34 GMT
Butland - 7 Edwards - 3 Shawcross - 5 Williams - 5 Martins Indi - 4 Woods - 6 Clucas - 5 Allen - 7 McClean - 4 Ince - 6 Berahino - 6 Gouranga.
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Post by musik on Nov 26, 2018 8:25:18 GMT
Only listened to it on the radio here (and hopefully tv will show Stoke-Derby here though ...), but: going by the video Highlights, McClean did two great things: the header to our 2-1 goal and when he on the goal line prevented them from scoring.
MoM?
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Post by boru on Nov 26, 2018 9:00:12 GMT
How can he be at fault for both of their goals he is not a defender ?? Our best player again It's a shame people don't have to pass some sort of a test of competence and understanding before they are allowed to post such silly nonsense...... It is a shame that people don't have to pass a competence test before posting conceited remarks, such silly nonsense........
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