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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2018 11:39:04 GMT
Yes I know? I’m referring to the argument that the u21s ruin the integrity of the tournament. Oh I see.
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 18, 2018 11:40:43 GMT
Tin-pot trophy of no real importance to anyone. May as well include the u21s and try and develop some of the more homegrown players to play at the highest level or any level for that matter. I’m sure this set up could prove beneficial. It was of importance to 45,000 of us at Wembley a couple of times. Did you go? I was there, does this set up mean football league clubs can’t get to the final? They’re not adding Barcelona or Man City to the tournament are they? It’s similar level teams to those in it already. If this competition can help the development of young English players by improving competition then I feel it’s worthwhile.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 18, 2018 14:27:34 GMT
It was of importance to 45,000 of us at Wembley a couple of times. Did you go? I was there, does this set up mean football league clubs can’t get to the final? They’re not adding Barcelona or Man City to the tournament are they? It’s similar level teams to those in it already. If this competition can help the development of young English players by improving competition then I feel it’s worthwhile. You went to the final of a tin-pot competition that’s of no importance to you? Did you take a book or something?
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 18, 2018 18:15:28 GMT
I was there, does this set up mean football league clubs can’t get to the final? They’re not adding Barcelona or Man City to the tournament are they? It’s similar level teams to those in it already. If this competition can help the development of young English players by improving competition then I feel it’s worthwhile. You went to the final of a tin-pot competition that’s of no importance to you? Did you take a book or something? It was a nice tournament to do well in if you can get to the final, but it plays the same role the community shield does. Which is not much. For me, it’s a competition which has the capacity for experiments, and if this set up develops the younger players by increasing the standard of competition, then it’s worthwhile. It would be stupid not to do that because it ‘ruins the integrity of the cup’
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2018 18:45:30 GMT
Anyway how many are we taking?
1500? 3000? More?
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2018 20:17:21 GMT
Anyway how many are we taking? 1500? 3000? More? Also what will the price be? Clubs have been charging about £10 for this competition. e.g. Forest Green Rovers charged £9 v Arsenal U21's
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 19, 2018 8:54:12 GMT
It was of importance to 45,000 of us at Wembley a couple of times. Did you go? I was there, does this set up mean football league clubs can’t get to the final? They’re not adding Barcelona or Man City to the tournament are they? It’s similar level teams to those in it already. If this competition can help the development of young English players by improving competition then I feel it’s worthwhile. Thing is I don't feel personally it does anything for their development. Take Shenton, farmed out to Wrexham was it ? How many on here think he will ever kick a ball in anger for our first team again? Be amazed if more than two ever get a sniff. Telford now at Bury, Sweeney on his 2nd or 3rd loan. They just don't get an opportunity to play as initially it is too risky and dangerous in the Premier League, likewise now if you want to be challenging at the right end of the table then the likes of Souttar or Campbell won't be risked. Rowett would be rinsed on here if he took risks like that. Unfortunately these days clubs buy the ready made article and this competition is somehow being made as a standard bearer for progression for young players Total bullshit
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Post by boothenender on Nov 19, 2018 9:29:31 GMT
I will be travelling over from Doncaster for this little kick about. A few beers up Hanley with the lads in the afternoon then a few in Burslem later. Then its off to the Wembley of the North for a rip roaring cup tie derby match. I seriously expect Stoke to take well over 3,500 to this game with loads more squeezed in all around their ground.
H/T Them that can't be named 1-2 Potteries top dogs
F/T Them that don't pay tax 2- 4 Pride of the Potteries.
Should be a good day out and a bit of a change from Xmas shopping with the Gaffer.
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Post by teanstokie on Nov 19, 2018 9:43:11 GMT
Has a date been fixed yet for the tie. Just seen it’s week commencing 3rd Dec but no specific date yet.
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 19, 2018 9:48:40 GMT
Has a date been fixed yet for the tie. Just seen it’s week commencing 3rd Dec but no specific date yet. [b They play Tuesday, anticipate it is December 4th
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Post by teanstokie on Nov 19, 2018 13:46:23 GMT
Cheers for that
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 19, 2018 14:55:25 GMT
You went to the final of a tin-pot competition that’s of no importance to you? Did you take a book or something? It was a nice tournament to do well in if you can get to the final, but it plays the same role the community shield does. Which is not much. For me, it’s a competition which has the capacity for experiments, and if this set up develops the younger players by increasing the standard of competition, then it’s worthwhile. It would be stupid not to do that because it ‘ruins the integrity of the cup’ So first it was tin-pot and nobody cares about it, then it transpires you attended the final like the rest of us and now it was a "nice tournament if you can get to the final".. Now it's like the Community Shield?? In what way on earth is it similar to that? The format, participants and purpose of those two events are about as polar opposite as it's possible to be. Mate this is just total rubbish, you're twisting yourself in knots just to not go back on your statement that it's of no importance to anyone. It used to be a great little competition with highly competitive games and a good chance of Wembley and silverware for smaller clubs. I think it's a shame that it's of so little importance to *you*, given the memories we have from that tournament (we still routinely sang about our victories even when we were in the Prem) - but that's up to you. Just don't make out like nobody ever cared about it when that is demonstrably untrue just looking at our own history.
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Post by andylgr on Nov 21, 2018 13:28:36 GMT
For me, it’s a competition which has the capacity for experiments, and if this set up develops the younger players by increasing the standard of competition, then it’s worthwhile. It would be stupid not to do that because it ‘ruins the integrity of the cup’ I'm as rose tinted as the next fan but this is complete rubbish and for want of a better word snobbish. Why does this competition have the capacity to be experimenting with? Its a competition for the leagues 1 & 2. Throwing in u21 sides does devalue it IMO. You only have to look at the attendances for the group games to see the apathy its met with. Where do we stop experimenting? Should we allow u21 sides to enter into league 1 and league 2 to give them experience too.
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Post by werrington on Nov 21, 2018 15:00:08 GMT
For me, it’s a competition which has the capacity for experiments, and if this set up develops the younger players by increasing the standard of competition, then it’s worthwhile. It would be stupid not to do that because it ‘ruins the integrity of the cup’ I'm as rose tinted as the next fan but this is complete rubbish and for want of a better word snobbish. Why does this competition have the capacity to be experimenting with? Its a competition for the leagues 1 & 2. Throwing in u21 sides does devalue it IMO. You only have to look at the attendances for the group games to see the apathy its met with. Where do we stop experimenting? Should we allow u21 sides to enter into league 1 and league 2 to give them experience too. That’s the next stage in the dismantling of the football pyramid The first stage is complete with this checkatrade farce Folk need to wake up and quickly
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Post by flea79 on Nov 21, 2018 16:38:11 GMT
For me, it’s a competition which has the capacity for experiments, and if this set up develops the younger players by increasing the standard of competition, then it’s worthwhile. It would be stupid not to do that because it ‘ruins the integrity of the cup’ I'm as rose tinted as the next fan but this is complete rubbish and for want of a better word snobbish. Why does this competition have the capacity to be experimenting with? Its a competition for the leagues 1 & 2. Throwing in u21 sides does devalue it IMO. You only have to look at the attendances for the group games to see the apathy its met with. Where do we stop experimenting? Should we allow u21 sides to enter into league 1 and league 2 to give them experience too. just out of interest what is the PL2 that our under 23's are involved in? i agree this is devaluing the competition though, but i will be going this one, never been able to watch us play at vile park as an adult, was only a nipper when we last played them
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Post by s8to on Nov 21, 2018 16:54:31 GMT
Still no news on dates?
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Post by steino1966 on Nov 21, 2018 17:02:27 GMT
On the Vale website it says Tuesday 4th and time to be scheduled.
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Post by s8to on Nov 21, 2018 19:18:24 GMT
On the Vale website it says Tuesday 4th and time to be scheduled. Cheers mate I will be on my bike up there then
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 11:09:52 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Nov 22, 2018 11:13:29 GMT
i love the clubs statement that there will be no coach travel for this fixture
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Post by riverman on Nov 22, 2018 11:43:09 GMT
i love the clubs statement that there will be no coach travel for this fixture Not so daft really. I guarantee they've had some right numpties enquiring about coach travel!
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Post by flea79 on Nov 22, 2018 11:44:55 GMT
i love the clubs statement that there will be no coach travel for this fixture Not so daft really. I guarantee they've had some right numpties enquiring about coach travel! pisser, maybe they should offer a gasmask and biohazard suit option for this one! just had a nosey on onevilefan and they are still too busy arguing with each other on this one and whether they should go or not
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 22, 2018 11:44:57 GMT
They are only opening one end as well as the Hamil end. Be rather strange and surreal , deserving of a 2nd rate so called derby game
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Post by StaffordPotter on Nov 22, 2018 13:07:07 GMT
Happy days, I'd expect a decent away following for this.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Nov 22, 2018 13:11:35 GMT
Only a 2000 allocation? Can see a lot more wanting to get to this one. Been years since we played them.
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 22, 2018 13:26:18 GMT
They are only opening one end as well as the Hamil end. Be rather strange and surreal , deserving of a 2nd rate so called derby game So called derby?
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 22, 2018 13:36:13 GMT
Only a 2000 allocation? Can see a lot more wanting to get to this one. Been years since we played them. Initial
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 22, 2018 13:43:11 GMT
Happy days, I'd expect a decent away following for this. I think there's a good chance of there being more Stoke than Vale at this
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 22, 2018 15:11:48 GMT
They are only opening one end as well as the Hamil end. Be rather strange and surreal , deserving of a 2nd rate so called derby game So called derby? Yes it's only my opinion mate the majority will differ but this under whatever guise is not Vale v Stoke. Joke competition, i have posted previously about the marvellous days v Stockport and Brizzle city. This format is a farce. Thin end of the wedge this, eventually Premier B Teams will be allowed in the Football League, sold their souls for 10 grand a game did the lower clubs. Though remarkably the fat gimp running Vale voted against apparently.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 22, 2018 16:00:18 GMT
Happy days, I'd expect a decent away following for this. I think there's a good chance of there being more Stoke than Vale at this I think it’s pretty much guaranteed.
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