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Williams
Oct 24, 2018 19:01:05 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 24, 2018 19:01:05 GMT
Souttarr ffs, nowhere near good enough, and never will be
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Williams
Oct 25, 2018 15:59:50 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Oct 25, 2018 15:59:50 GMT
Probably a ridiculous thought from myself here,,,,wonder if particularly with the shite full back as well as Williams that Everton hold any sway ? Not come here to sit on the bench and Williams won't be selected for Wales on our bench. Just a thought
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Williams
Oct 25, 2018 17:49:47 GMT
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Post by march4 on Oct 25, 2018 17:49:47 GMT
Perhaps more time on defensive training would help.
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Williams
Oct 25, 2018 18:12:55 GMT
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 25, 2018 18:12:55 GMT
Perhaps more time on defensive training would help. You can’t polish a *****. Our defensive recruitment is beyond shambolic
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 25, 2018 18:41:33 GMT
Perhaps more time on defensive training would help. How much do they do now? Don't say not enough
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Post by Godo on Oct 26, 2018 19:28:26 GMT
We have a defence that leaked 70+ goals last year, plays statues on every set piece and looks susceptible to every bog standard boot down the field .....now whether the story about Rowett being assured that the defence was fine is true or not even a blind man in a very large empty featureless dark room could see how totally shit we are at the back. Coates promised he would invest to get us back up but the failure to buy at least one mobile aggressive centre back and a left back is absolute dereliction of duty by everyone involved in the club.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 27, 2018 9:37:32 GMT
Please drop him for today's game (and the rest as well!)!
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Williams
Oct 27, 2018 9:42:49 GMT
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 27, 2018 9:42:49 GMT
Anyone who thinks this fucking pretender is an upgrade on Ryan, kindly fuck yourself off the nearest bridge. Good morning to you to x
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Post by Gods on Oct 27, 2018 9:54:33 GMT
We've conceded 2 goals in the last 4 games, we've rode our luck a bit with that I'll admit, but its a big improvement on 18 in the first 10 games.
Personally I would start Ryan ahead of one of BMI and Ashley when all 3 are fit since he has the extra aerial power.
But there is evidence we are putting focus in to this area.
We need to keep that going and address the problem that goals have dried up at the other end in the last 3 matches. Square that circle and we could be in business.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Oct 27, 2018 10:46:26 GMT
We've conceded 3 goals in the last 4 games, we've rode our luck a bit with that I'll admit, but its a big improvement on 17 in the first 10 games. Personally I would start Ryan ahead of one of BMI and Ashley when all 3 are fit since he has the extra aerial power. But there is evidence we are putting focus in to this area. We need to keep that going and address the problem that goals have dried up at the other end in the last 3 matches. Square that circle and we could be in business. It's actually only 2 goals in the last 4 so its a huge improvement on earlier. If we go about 10 games without conceding with him in central defence, you would still not get anyone else on this thread admitting he was any good. He's obviously not a long term answer, or even the answer for the rest of this season, but him and Indi are the best pair we have currently
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Post by Gods on Oct 27, 2018 11:45:57 GMT
We've conceded 3 goals in the last 4 games, we've rode our luck a bit with that I'll admit, but its a big improvement on 17 in the first 10 games. Personally I would start Ryan ahead of one of BMI and Ashley when all 3 are fit since he has the extra aerial power. But there is evidence we are putting focus in to this area. We need to keep that going and address the problem that goals have dried up at the other end in the last 3 matches. Square that circle and we could be in business. It's actually only 2 goals in the last 4 so its a huge improvement on earlier. If we go about 10 games without conceding with him in central defence, you would still not get anyone else on this thread admitting he was any good. He's obviously not a long term answer, or even the answer for the rest of this season, but him and Indi are the best pair we have currently Yes it is , so 2 conceded in the last 4 and 18 in the first 10. We're either defending better or getting luckier or maybe a bit of both!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 27, 2018 19:19:42 GMT
We are clearly defending better with Williams in the side instead of Shawcross. As much as anything it is a mental thing - Shawcross was/is carrying the baggage of last seasons's demise more than most and every time the opposition scored this season you could see the effect on him which then communicated itself to the rest of the team. Williams is past his best but he isn't carrying any of the baggage of last season and that as much as anything means we look far less fragile.
I'd be more than happy to see us bringing in a quality centre back to start ahead of Williams in the January window. But dropping him for Shawcross would be a backward step.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Oct 28, 2018 18:42:36 GMT
That's now 2 goals conceded in 5 games, obviously helped to shore things up at the back
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 28, 2018 19:02:51 GMT
That's now 2 goals conceded in 5 games, obviously helped to shore things up at the back ...but have we actually given away less clear cut chances? I can remember 5 or 6 big ones from last game and almost the same against Sheffield utd.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2018 22:23:22 GMT
That's now 2 goals conceded in 5 games, obviously helped to shore things up at the back ...but have we actually given away less clear cut chances? I can remember 5 or 6 big ones from last game and almost the same against Sheffield utd. but are clear cut chances always the fault of the central defenders.....what about our midfield? There is no way Williams should be dropped with the way our defensive record has improved so dramatically since he has come in. Why would you go back to Shawcross? We were leaking goals in with him on the pitch!
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Williams
Oct 28, 2018 22:42:31 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Oct 28, 2018 22:42:31 GMT
Whichever way you look at it, no panic to bring Shawcross back at the moment.
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Williams
Oct 28, 2018 22:54:20 GMT
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Post by sunshine on Oct 28, 2018 22:54:20 GMT
Sadly not convinced by Williams. Id like to see Ryan next game, hopefully a stint on the bench has reignited some fight in the lad.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2018 23:23:05 GMT
Sadly not convinced by Williams. Id like to see Ryan next game, hopefully a stint on the bench has reignited some fight in the lad. Based on his last few appearances, he needs a bit more than "fight". I truly hope he does come back and rediscover some past form.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 28, 2018 23:39:24 GMT
We have dropped a long way from when Ryan and Huth were one of the best pair of stoppers in the Prem.
On this season's form I don't think any of our CBs are true promotion material. We have to question the training and coaching at the club; players seem to deteriorate. Zouma was excellent when he started last season when he went off the boil.
But defending is not just down to individual ability and commitment, equally important is the teamwork is so poor. Players are not playing/covering for each other the way they should. We are hopeless at defending high balls crossed to the far post, which all leads me to believe that for a long time now our coaching is inadequate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:29:14 GMT
We have dropped a long way from when Ryan and Huth were one of the best pair of stoppers in the Prem. On this season's form I don't think any of our CBs are true promotion material. We have to question the training and coaching at the club; players seem to deteriorate. Zouma was excellent when he started last season when he went off the boil. But defending is not just down to individual ability and commitment, equally important is the teamwork is so poor. Players are not playing/covering for each other the way they should. We are hopeless at defending high balls crossed to the far post, which all leads me to believe that for a long time now our coaching is inadequate. Zouma started off very well but ended as one of our most error prone defenders. I had high hopes for him as we paid quite a hefty loan fee but he was no better than what we already had, we wasted an incredible amount of money (and are still doing so on the likes of Williams and Martina). Williams will be first choice until January I expect, but we really need to be bringing in a new first choice CB then as Williams/Shawcross don't look up to the task anymore which is a real shame as they were once two of the most solid defenders in the country.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 29, 2018 8:46:51 GMT
That's now 2 goals conceded in 5 games, obviously helped to shore things up at the back Has he won a header yet?...
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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 29, 2018 9:10:58 GMT
I do think Williams is the weak link defensively, but he can pass a ball at least.
Ryan is a legend, but for me he doesn't get back in the starting line up. Ash & Bruno have started to form a decent enough partnership (stats prove that). That said, in January i'd be asking Sir Pete to get the transfer dong out and get a center half.
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Williams
Oct 29, 2018 10:55:00 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Oct 29, 2018 10:55:00 GMT
I do think Williams is the weak link defensively, but he can pass a ball at least. Ryan is a legend, but for me he doesn't get back in the starting line up. Ash & Bruno have started to form a decent enough partnership (stats prove that). That said, in January i'd be asking Sir Pete to get the transfer dong out and get a center half. Don’t place your trust in Stats Volvic.I think you could see as well as anyone that the number of chances we have conceded at Sheffield and Bristol could, but for brilliant keeping and awful finishing have resulted in quite heavy defeats. Perhaps we have been due some luck as we have had some poor decisions against us, but I don’t think we have sorted the centre half problem at all; and when Gestede and the Boro centre backs are attacking corners and set pieces we had better hope JB is in command of his box because Williams and BMI don’t tend to win many headers.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 29, 2018 13:34:48 GMT
We have dropped a long way from when Ryan and Huth were one of the best pair of stoppers in the Prem.On this season's form I don't think any of our CBs are true promotion material. We have to question the training and coaching at the club; players seem to deteriorate. Zouma was excellent when he started last season when he went off the boil. But defending is not just down to individual ability and commitment, equally important is the teamwork is so poor. Players are not playing/covering for each other the way they should. We are hopeless at defending high balls crossed to the far post, which all leads me to believe that for a long time now our coaching is inadequate. Went on a private bus this weekend, and on the crappy little TV's was a DVD of the 2009 highlights. It's like night and day compared to what we have seen over the last 18 months, for so many reasons. Firstly, a quick myth was debunked, we actually played some pretty good football under Pulis and that DVD proves it. Not always.... but we weren't as bad as people conveniently remember. Secondly, we were monsters defensively and there are some worldy last ditch tackles and defence led breakaways. That defence + the rest of our squad from last season and not only would we have stayed up, we'd have probably finished about 10th.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 29, 2018 13:46:16 GMT
...but have we actually given away less clear cut chances? I can remember 5 or 6 big ones from last game and almost the same against Sheffield utd. but are clear cut chances always the fault of the central defenders.....what about our midfield? There is no way Williams should be dropped with the way our defensive record has improved so dramatically since he has come in. Why would you go back to Shawcross? We were leaking goals in with him on the pitch! Because Shawcross is our only defender big enough and strong enough to win headers in our own box it seems. I'm really not impressed by Williams and Indi as a pairing in our own box.
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