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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 28, 2018 23:45:51 GMT
I can honestly say, I know nothing about the lad Dave, I dunno what to expect!!! Can't say I took any notice of him at Hull & Swansea!!! I remember him being a pretty good left sided midfielder, Turf. Tidy, good passer with a good shot on him. Definitely more talented than Geoff(who I always liked). Are we allowed to play more than one ginger in midfield, though? 😜 I'll take your word for it Tricks, cuz I don't remember anything about him!!! Hope he turns out as good as your saying!!! As for Geoff, I always liked Geoff myself, think he got a lot of unfair criticism on here.......which is unusual!!!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 29, 2018 0:50:58 GMT
We are absolute horsewank at the moment, but let’s not pretend Geoff Cameron would be some kind of Stars and Stripes draped saviour for us.
Lovely bloke but he’s looked absolutely shot for well over 18 months now, it’s a good move for all parties concerned, best of luck to him.
QPR can fuck off though, tinpot shithouses.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 29, 2018 2:22:38 GMT
I remember him being a pretty good left sided midfielder, Turf. Tidy, good passer with a good shot on him. Definitely more talented than Geoff(who I always liked). Are we allowed to play more than one ginger in midfield, though? 😜 I'll take your word for it Tricks, cuz I don't remember anything about him!!! Hope he turns out as good as your saying!!! As for Geoff, I always liked Geoff myself, think he got a lot of unfair criticism on here.......which is unusual!!! Was chatting to a Swansea fan mate the other day & they weren't to fussed he left them, make of that what you will. & the guys a level headed fan so definitely not a case of sour grapes that we'd signed one of their players either. I'm aware some clubs & players click & others don't but from what I've heard he's not necessarily going to be the instant success people are imagining him to be.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 29, 2018 9:57:51 GMT
I'll take your word for it Tricks, cuz I don't remember anything about him!!! Hope he turns out as good as your saying!!! As for Geoff, I always liked Geoff myself, think he got a lot of unfair criticism on here.......which is unusual!!! Was chatting to a Swansea fan mate the other day & they weren't to fussed he left them, make of that what you will. & the guys a level headed fan so definitely not a case of sour grapes that we'd signed one of their players either. I'm aware some clubs & players click & others don't but from what I've heard he's not necessarily going to be the instant success people are imagining him to be. Time will tell I suppose!!!
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Post by realstokebloke on Oct 29, 2018 10:14:21 GMT
Geoff was a decent and versatile player in the Premier League, on that basis I'm not at all surprised he is making short work of the championship. Strange thing is he seems like an archetypal Rowett player , I get it people say he wanted to leave, but anyone know why, I thought we we would have moved heaven and earth to try to keep him. To clarify, I 'liked' the most part of this Gods -up to moving bits an pieces to keep him.
As mentioned elsewhere, at his age, with his injury record and (we are told by davejohnno1, so make of that what you will*) that he wanted out, so that was never going to fly.
Much maligned was Geoff and he had his blips like all of us, but a decent operator overall if you look back for me.
If he has an injury free spell of form and an Indian summer lease of life in his legs, well good luck to him - with obvious caveat that he has an uber blip vs. us of course.
* 😉
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Post by Gods on Oct 29, 2018 10:22:28 GMT
Geoff was a decent and versatile player in the Premier League, on that basis I'm not at all surprised he is making short work of the championship. Strange thing is he seems like an archetypal Rowett player , I get it people say he wanted to leave, but anyone know why, I thought we we would have moved heaven and earth to try to keep him. To clarify, I 'liked' the most part of this Gods -up to moving bits an pieces to keep him.
As mentioned elsewhere, at his age, with his injury record and (we are told by davejohnno1, so make of that what you will*) that he wanted out, so that was never going to fly.
Much maligned was Geoff and he had his blips like all of us, but a decent operator overall if you look back for me.
If he has an injury free spell of form and an Indian summer lease of life in his legs, well good luck to him - with obvious caveat that he has an uber blip vs. us of course.
* 😉Fair enough on the fitness side. He may well have vehemently wanted away as davejohnno claims, but I ask myself the question why and speculate that at least part of the reason might be that he was no longer feeling the love at Stoke City. If he had an offer from a Prem club then fair enough but QPR looks like a sideways move although there is always the draw of London to a US citizen. Who knows!
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 29, 2018 10:34:17 GMT
To clarify, I 'liked' the most part of this Gods -up to moving bits an pieces to keep him.
As mentioned elsewhere, at his age, with his injury record and (we are told by davejohnno1 , so make of that what you will*) that he wanted out, so that was never going to fly.
Much maligned was Geoff and he had his blips like all of us, but a decent operator overall if you look back for me.
If he has an injury free spell of form and an Indian summer lease of life in his legs, well good luck to him - with obvious caveat that he has an uber blip vs. us of course.
* 😉 Fair enough on the fitness side. He may well have vehemently wanted away as davejohnno claims, but I ask myself the question why and speculate that at least part of the reason might be that he was no longer feeling the love at Stoke City. If he had an offer from a Prem club then fair enough but QPR looks like a sideways move although there is always the draw of London to a US citizen. Who knows! Please forgive my ignorance but I can not remember did we sell or loan? I was prob abroad at the time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 29, 2018 12:02:29 GMT
Geoff was a decent and versatile player in the Premier League, on that basis I'm not at all surprised he is making short work of the championship. Strange thing is he seems like an archetypal Rowett player , I get it people say he wanted to leave, but anyone know why, I thought we we would have moved heaven and earth to try to keep him. To clarify, I 'liked' the most part of this Gods -up to moving bits an pieces to keep him.
As mentioned elsewhere, at his age, with his injury record and (we are told by davejohnno1, so make of that what you will*) that he wanted out, so that was never going to fly.
Much maligned was Geoff and he had his blips like all of us, but a decent operator overall if you look back for me.
If he has an injury free spell of form and an Indian summer lease of life in his legs, well good luck to him - with obvious caveat that he has an uber blip vs. us of course.
* 😉Geoff Cameron told us all that he wanted to leave. I quote "I decided in the Summer that I wanted and needed a fresh start...". Geoff wanted to leave so he left. I'm pretty sure he thought he'd end up somewhere better than QPR but hey ho, no fucker wanted him so he had little choice but to go there. He can enjoy London life with his dog, so I'm sure he'll be happy enough. Good luck to him. He always tried his best but he was limited at best. He's seemingly started life well at QPR (he did for us as well) and my lasting memory of Cameron will him always coming into the side, in any position and doing well for a few games before being totally found out and playing crap. He went off injured on Friday night so it will be interesting to see how quickly he recovers from his latest injury. He's no great loss to us and hadn't had a good game in Stoke colours for a long time.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 29, 2018 12:10:38 GMT
Dave, I'll try a more balanced viewpoint!!! I think Cameron's decision in the Summer was based on knowing full-well he'd play no part in the new season as he'd played little part prior to that. His time at Stoke was coming to an end so better to be a little retrospective in how he described his departure as it saves face. He was never going to find a Premiership team so what's not to like about popping down to London for a while and sampling the bright lights? Good luck to him, thanks for his service and let's move on...
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 29, 2018 12:15:22 GMT
Dave, I'll try a more balanced viewpoint!!! I think Cameron's decision in the Summer was based on knowing full-well he'd play no part in the new season as he'd played little part prior to that. His time at Stoke was coming to an end so better to be a little retrospective in how he described his departure as it saves face. He was never going to find a Premiership team so what's not to like about popping down to London for a while and sampling the bright lights? Good luck to him, thanks for his service and let's move on... It's all speculation. Another way of looking at it would be that, if he had confidence in his own ability, he would surely that he would be able to fight and gain a place in a Championship side and win over a new manager. The only fact we have, is that it is on record, that he wanted a new start. Having made the statement, then its not surprising that a new manager would look elsewhere especially given his lack of reliability on the injury front. I agree.....let's please move on!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 29, 2018 12:36:10 GMT
It's a fact that he wanted a new start but he stated that fact after he left. As far as I know he didn't make that public statement while he was with us. He'd done his time with us and saw the writing on the wall. It's not a massive leap to see why he went. I don't hold it against him.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Oct 29, 2018 12:50:45 GMT
I always thought that Geoff was a better athlete than he was a footballer. When the injuries started to catch up with him he struggled to put a run together. Would have been a squad player had he stayed. I wish him well.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 29, 2018 13:11:51 GMT
Geoff took years and years of stick, unfairly and the fact he used to read this forum and his Twitter probably means he knew a lot of fans weren't backing him at all.
I'll say this, a fit 29 year old Geoff would walk into our current team most weeks of the season. The problem is, he's neither fit nor 29 anymore. He's a very injury prone and inconsistent footballer these days. I cut Geoff slack more times than not last season, but that sub appearance against West Ham was utterly bizarre. It was like he had come on with no idea where he was supposed to be playing or what we were supposed to be doing. Bizarre to say the least...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 29, 2018 13:24:53 GMT
Dave, I'll try a more balanced viewpoint!!! I think Cameron's decision in the Summer was based on knowing full-well he'd play no part in the new season as he'd played little part prior to that. His time at Stoke was coming to an end so better to be a little retrospective in how he described his departure as it saves face. He was never going to find a Premiership team so what's not to like about popping down to London for a while and sampling the bright lights? Good luck to him, thanks for his service and let's move on... How could he make that assumption when we had no manager in place? The simple facts are he wasn't prepared to stay and fight for the cause and his place in the team under a new manager. If he made it clear to Rowett that he wanted to leave, then Rowett was perfectly right in not using him during pre-season (although he was injured initially and then returned to the USA because of family illness). You conclude with my thoughts but I add in the comment, he wanted to leave. He wanted to leave. Good luck to him. Thanks for the service and move on... Harping on about a hugely limited player because we ourselves aren't having things our own way is doing my nut in to be honest.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 29, 2018 13:27:40 GMT
It's a fact that he wanted a new start but he stated that fact after he left. As far as I know he didn't make that public statement while he was with us. He'd done his time with us and saw the writing on the wall. It's not a massive leap to see why he went. I don't hold it against him. He said whilst Lambert was here that he had to look at his future once the season finished. He did that and he's no longer with us.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 29, 2018 13:29:46 GMT
Dave, I'll try a more balanced viewpoint!!! I think Cameron's decision in the Summer was based on knowing full-well he'd play no part in the new season as he'd played little part prior to that. His time at Stoke was coming to an end so better to be a little retrospective in how he described his departure as it saves face. He was never going to find a Premiership team so what's not to like about popping down to London for a while and sampling the bright lights? Good luck to him, thanks for his service and let's move on... How could he make that assumption when we had no manager in place? The simple facts are he wasn't prepared to stay and fight for the cause and his place in the team under a new manager. If he made it clear to Rowett that he wanted to leave, then Rowett was perfectly right in not using him during pre-season (although he was injured initially and then returned to the USA because of family illness). You conclude with my thoughts but I add in the comment, he wanted to leave. He wanted to leave. Good luck to him. Thanks for the service and move on... Harping on about a hugely limited player because we ourselves aren't having things our own way is doing my nut in to be honest. Do we know he wasn't willing to fight for his place? I've always assumed when Rowett arrived Geoff would go simply because as a massively injury prone older member of the squad, he was taking up a place in the 25 and with Rowett wanting to bring in new blood, we need players we can actively depend upon. Keeping Geoff would have been at the expense of somebody else and there's no guarantee he would have been fit enough. He's started off well at QPR and for that, he deserves credit but give it two more games and you can easily see him being sidelined for another 2 months or whatever.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 29, 2018 15:06:08 GMT
How could he make that assumption when we had no manager in place? The simple facts are he wasn't prepared to stay and fight for the cause and his place in the team under a new manager. If he made it clear to Rowett that he wanted to leave, then Rowett was perfectly right in not using him during pre-season (although he was injured initially and then returned to the USA because of family illness). You conclude with my thoughts but I add in the comment, he wanted to leave. He wanted to leave. Good luck to him. Thanks for the service and move on... Harping on about a hugely limited player because we ourselves aren't having things our own way is doing my nut in to be honest. Do we know he wasn't willing to fight for his place? I've always assumed when Rowett arrived Geoff would go simply because as a massively injury prone older member of the squad, he was taking up a place in the 25 and with Rowett wanting to bring in new blood, we need players we can actively depend upon. Keeping Geoff would have been at the expense of somebody else and there's no guarantee he would have been fit enough. He's started off well at QPR and for that, he deserves credit but give it two more games and you can easily see him being sidelined for another 2 months or whatever. He got injured on Friday night so it will be interesting to see how long that keeps him out for. The fact that he expressed a desire to leave before a new manager was in place suggests he'd well and truly had enough and wasn't prepared to prove himself to any new manager surely? How any player would back himself to get into our shocking team defies belief. He's crap enough to be the 2nd name on the team sheet after James Mclean.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 29, 2018 15:21:49 GMT
Do we know he wasn't willing to fight for his place? I've always assumed when Rowett arrived Geoff would go simply because as a massively injury prone older member of the squad, he was taking up a place in the 25 and with Rowett wanting to bring in new blood, we need players we can actively depend upon. Keeping Geoff would have been at the expense of somebody else and there's no guarantee he would have been fit enough. He's started off well at QPR and for that, he deserves credit but give it two more games and you can easily see him being sidelined for another 2 months or whatever. He got injured on Friday night so it will be interesting to see how long that keeps him out for. The fact that he expressed a desire to leave before a new manager was in place suggests he'd well and truly had enough and wasn't prepared to prove himself to any new manager surely? How any player would back himself to get into our shocking team defies belief. He's crap enough to be the 2nd name on the team sheet after James Mclean. I think Geoff had earned enough goodwill at Stoke that he should have been afforded a chance, if he wanted one. Obviously Rowett didn't feel there was much point. Despite Fletcher's goal, I don't see dodgy Darren as much of an upgrade on Geoff. Just another inconsistent midfielder to call on.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 29, 2018 15:26:16 GMT
He got injured on Friday night so it will be interesting to see how long that keeps him out for. The fact that he expressed a desire to leave before a new manager was in place suggests he'd well and truly had enough and wasn't prepared to prove himself to any new manager surely? How any player would back himself to get into our shocking team defies belief. He's crap enough to be the 2nd name on the team sheet after James Mclean. I think Geoff had earned enough goodwill at Stoke that he should have been afforded a chance, if he wanted one. Obviously Rowett didn't feel there was much point. Despite Fletcher's goal, I don't see dodgy Darren as much of an upgrade on Geoff. Just another inconsistent midfielder to call on. Exactly. He's no upgrade at all. Had Geoff wanted to stay and prove his worth to the new manager, he'd still be here and he'd probably find himself playing were he able to maintain any semblance of fitness. He didn't want to stay so he left. Simples.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 29, 2018 15:42:31 GMT
He knew his days were numbered so he wanted to leave Dave. I don't think there's anything disingenuous in what he did or said. He was just trying to get out with a semblance of dignity.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 29, 2018 20:20:18 GMT
He knew his days were numbered so he wanted to leave Dave. I don't think there's anything disingenuous in what he did or said. He was just trying to get out with a semblance of dignity. I agree with you and I have no problem with him wanting to leave. I do, however, have a problem with the inane drivel that is spouted every time we lose a game that we should never have got rid of him. Cameron's departure is not a stick with which to beat Rowett or the pizza boys with. Cameron wanted to leave so he left. End Of!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 29, 2018 21:23:13 GMT
PL level player whose versatility really worked against him a bit, as it often does with versatile players who managers move around to fill gaps and cover for injuries and suspensions.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Oct 31, 2018 7:01:18 GMT
In the championship team of the week.
Mustard.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Oct 31, 2018 7:02:02 GMT
In the championship team of the week.
Mustard.
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Post by TexasPotter on Oct 31, 2018 13:19:08 GMT
In the championship team of the week. Mustard. Glad he’s doing very well, seems he is a new fan favorite I hear from my lone QPR mate. Pity thinking about it as their manager starts him each week and ours chose Fletcher preseason. Feels like Huth going to Leicester all over.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Nov 1, 2018 8:35:04 GMT
In the championship team of the week. Mustard. Team of the month for October actually.. as a defensive mid protecting the back 4...Butland is in ...most saves 20.....what does that tell you...? Shoulda kept Geoff?
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Post by rawli on Nov 1, 2018 9:26:28 GMT
Revisionism. Can't remember a massive clamour for Geoff to be playing when he was with us.
His reasons for leaving seem fairly straightforward. Experienced average player who will have his wages cut fancies living in the capital while boosting his pension pot with a signing on fee.
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Post by pb1863 on Nov 18, 2018 10:50:46 GMT
So a gentleman’s agreement between the clubs means he’s not playing against us. I get why but frustrating for both clubs.
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Post by werrington on Nov 18, 2018 10:54:18 GMT
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 18, 2018 19:01:28 GMT
He knew his days were numbered so he wanted to leave Dave. I don't think there's anything disingenuous in what he did or said. He was just trying to get out with a semblance of dignity. I agree with you and I have no problem with him wanting to leave. I do, however, have a problem with the inane drivel that is spouted every time we lose a game that we should never have got rid of him. Cameron's departure is not a stick with which to beat Rowett or the pizza boys with. Cameron wanted to leave so he left. End Of! Stoke always have players who are better when they don't play! Remember that guy who had 42 grandmas? Should have been a regular he was our saviour. Went to Bolton and hasn't payed a single match this season.. Stephen Ireland.
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