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Post by apb1 on Oct 6, 2018 18:12:11 GMT
*8 from me
Slice of luck for goalbut build up was good
All about shape second half, nice to see we have that in our locker
Crap game but results business and crowd sang GR name for long periods when the team were digging in..
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Post by robstokie on Oct 6, 2018 18:17:42 GMT
A good solid 8 - got a huge slice of luck for the goal, but defended resolutely thereon in - its not often ive been able to say that in recent times. Maybe not that huge. A hard low cross into the danger zone will quite often cause a mistake by a defender. it was a good cross, but i dont think anyone was going to get on the end of it. Fuck it - when you are as crap away from home as we have been recently, youll take anything
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 6, 2018 18:26:59 GMT
Maybe not that huge. A hard low cross into the danger zone will quite often cause a mistake by a defender. it was a good cross, but i dont think anyone was going to get on the end of it. Fuck it - when you are as crap away from home as we have been recently, youll take anything I agree I don’t think they were Rob, but when the cross is pinged in at pace and defenders aren’t sure what’s going on behind them , they have to try to deal with it. Getting a goal rather than a corner was the bonus. I’m saying this without having seen a replay which for some strange reason they didn’t show on the big screen at Carrow Road 🤔😂
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Post by fca47 on Oct 6, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
7- probably the result of the season so far. Not great performance though. But these are the type of performances you have to put in to get out of this league.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 6, 2018 18:45:58 GMT
Great to see the players celebrating with the fans after the game.
Loads of evidence of good team work and good togetherness
If you ignore the football, really impressive!
The fans sang GR'S name, when we are under pressure
And for the whole match sang the praises of Ryan woods, who was outstanding.
Maybe the Norwich fans inspired him by singing ' ed sheeran plays for Stoke, plays for Stoke. Sheeran, sheeran plays for Stoke'
Or maybe he's always outstanding??
We have definitely found a real captain
And maybe some team spirit?
Hopefully if we can get some results together, we can gain confidence and give anyone a game in this league.
I enjoyed the game. I thought I there were real signs GR is a bringing a bit of feelgood factor back to stoke. Early days but promising signs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 19:21:51 GMT
6. Poor starting line up. Dreadful subs and a very negative performance. Very happy with the 3 points. ?? We won away at an in form team, we defended well keeping a clean sheet and restricting them to very few chances, we still had the best two opportunities in the second half? ?? I'm delighted with the win. We have just come away from a match where we've had 2 shots on target and less than 35% possession. It's wonderful efficiency but it's not football I want to watch. If you and others are happy with it then fair enough. I'm not going to judge or mock or laugh. Each to their own. This thread is about rating the manager and not the result. We finished the match with no natural wide players on the pitch and Darren Fletcher stumbling around in midfield. If that floats your boat, fair play to you. It doesn't mine. Thankfully the manager has admitted it wasn't his game plan, so let's see what he does going forwards.
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Post by negstr on Oct 6, 2018 19:44:11 GMT
10. The very type of performance that gets you out of the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 19:46:09 GMT
10. The very type of performance that gets you out of the championship. Tell that to Wolves last season who played some fantastic football. It's a complete myth that you have to play that way to get out of the Championship.
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 6, 2018 19:58:22 GMT
10. The very type of performance that gets you out of the championship. Tell that to Wolves last season who played some fantastic football. It's a complete myth that you have to play that way to get out of the Championship. Different ways to get games won in this Division.Today was one of them. Same points as a total football goal fest. Chuffed to bits.
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Post by Gods on Oct 6, 2018 19:58:40 GMT
So it was to plan? Then he changed his plan, then switched it back after it didn’t work and then switched it again with Fletcher a third time. Right. If you think that was to plan and not reaction to a fortuitous event there is no helping some on here. I give in, that was Zidanesque 🤣 The plan was to let them have the ball and clean up any possible chances, he then tried to take some pressure off going 2 up but it didn't work so changed it back, its as if he managed the game while it was going on, its as if he's a good manager thats able to change if a game isn't going how he wants it too, its as if he knows what he's doing, what a shocker. Not being funny but why would we want to give them the ball ? 9 times out of 10 you lose with 30% possession as we had today.
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Post by stokeson on Oct 6, 2018 19:59:13 GMT
10. My team pick .clean sheet. 3 points. Big Plus all the moaner weeping.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2018 20:03:15 GMT
10. The very type of performance that gets you out of the championship. Tell that to Wolves last season who played some fantastic football. It's a complete myth that you have to play that way to get out of the Championship. I thought we played some great football on Tuesday night. I bet Wolves had plenty of games last season where they had to grind out results, and they definitely didn't just steamroll very team they came up against.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Oct 6, 2018 20:09:44 GMT
Everybody’s arguing!
Good job Gazzer 😎
I say a 7.5, not what I’d have done, but 3 points nonetheless.
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Post by mermaidsal on Oct 6, 2018 20:14:59 GMT
Supremely effective today and for a tough away game, coming out of a shaky run, that's the highest praise I know. Knew what the game wanted, picked the team accordingly, job done and the unforced errors are getting fewer every week. We're learning how to tough it out again at long last. Can't say how much I admire the way Gary's kept his head down, seen where he wanted to go and got on with it. 9 from me * if you there please I thought you wanted him out last week? I must admit I did too. Maybe, just maybe he is beginning to turn things round. I wanted to know the board had a succession plan if things didn't work out, not quite the same But I was seriously wondering if he could do this I have to admit
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Oct 6, 2018 20:57:53 GMT
8 from me. Proper Pulis away performance got a goal (doesn't matter how they all count) and never looked like relinquishing the lead, defended as a team and came away with all 3 points. Scruffy win but allowed the home side nothing. Gouranga.
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Post by shaggystoke on Oct 6, 2018 22:16:13 GMT
”passing through us with ease” I don’t think so.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 6, 2018 22:28:57 GMT
7 A great result but he didn’t make it easy for himself with the team selection and baffling subs. Agree on both counts….imo Fletcher shouldn't be subbed on when we only have a slender lead
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 6, 2018 22:32:35 GMT
7 A great result but he didn’t make it easy for himself with the team selection and baffling subs. Agree on both counts….imo Fletcher shouldn't be subbed on when we only have a slender lead No didn't work today did it?
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Post by mickey4137 on Oct 6, 2018 22:41:22 GMT
Just out of interest how many of the critics actually attended the game? I’m personally still sitting on the fence. However an away win, three points and a clean sheet is still something to be happy about and long may it continue. ”By hook or by crook” is something we should all be happy about surely. I'm happy about the win just not the nature of it. Thought dropping Bojan was a mistake and we lost alot of our forward outlet because of it. Winning away with an own goal but keeping a clean sheet is pretty much worth what I rated it. You start awarding 9's and 10's for that you really have nowhere to go when we really pull out a great performance which I think we will sooner rather than later. I won't criticize anyone for overrating this match, that is their right. And no I wasn't there, but I saw the whole game. H Fair and sensible response. Personally I think taking Bojan out was the right decision due to the nature of the game today.
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 6, 2018 22:47:19 GMT
Holding back on score, think his set up in next game is crucial to how he adheres himself to fans.
If he reinstates the forward line or keeps this line up will show his honesty.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 6, 2018 23:31:00 GMT
7. He loses marks for getting the front end of the pitch wrong for me. I think we needed Bojan in there and McLean didn't work for me. I think he needs more creative players with him and I also think he might be better from the bench where his energy and enthusiasm would be an asset in the second half against tiring players. This contributed to us not being able to retain the ball well enough in their half of the pitch and not being able to threaten enough.
However he gains marks for the marked improvement in our team solidity and far better defensive performance. We had been leaking goals at such an alarming rate that I can accept the need to get back to basics a bit and improve our defensive performance possibly a bit at the expense of our attacking play particularly away from home. We got a lucky lead but managed to see it out and that's something we wouldn't have got close to doing a few weeks ago.
The key to his future and our season will be whether we can start to progress and blend improved defensive solidity with decent attacking football and ball retention. Definitely encouraging signs defensively at least because you won't get anywhere conceding the number of goals we have been and stopping that simply had to be a priority.
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Post by TheProletarian on Oct 7, 2018 9:31:57 GMT
7* bit risky with possession, but it’s not what you have it’s what you do with it. Disappointed not to see Bojan today.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2018 9:34:38 GMT
The plan was to let them have the ball and clean up any possible chances, he then tried to take some pressure off going 2 up but it didn't work so changed it back, its as if he managed the game while it was going on, its as if he's a good manager thats able to change if a game isn't going how he wants it too, its as if he knows what he's doing, what a shocker. Not being funny but why would we want to give them the ball ? 9 times out of 10 you lose with 30% possession as we had today. I get the feeling we wanted to play on the counter, unfortunately we were bloody awful going forward so it never happened.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 7, 2018 13:08:19 GMT
6 Negative team selection and absolutely awful game. If we hadn't have got the 3 points he'd have scored a 0. He's a safety first manager Really? How come we we are one of the highest scorers in the league and Tuesday we played Saido, Afobe, Ince and Bojan? He went more defensive against Norwich away, one of the league's form teams, and his "safety first" paid off. There's absolutely no evidence he will go safety first every game - in fact his selection decisions so far would suggest exactly the opposite.
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Post by rawli on Oct 7, 2018 15:51:22 GMT
Defensive rating 8 Attacking 3 Overall 5.5 If we'd gone gung ho in attack and been whipped 3-1 would you have given the same overall rating?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 23:57:20 GMT
It was a very lucky victory, but we haven't had much luck for some time. We looked better at the back. I get not playing Bojan away so much, but I think Berahino should be starting for often than not. Maclean isn't fit yet..... or he's just a little bit shit.
I also get the substitutions, adding some fresh legs in defence as were we holding on for a result.
He deserves at least 8. I'll give him an extra mark for backing himself with the subs to hold on for three points.
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Post by Onneravineet on Oct 8, 2018 8:56:42 GMT
Amazed at some of the scores on here, they're unbeaten in loads and we got a win at their home ground when we really needed it. It seems like some on here are a bit peeved. No, come on RAF just give GR the same score as they did. They know best...otherwise you’re just peeved (because you must want your team to lose) or you have an agenda. If TP had delivered that performance, where we take the 3 points due to an own goal with 30% possession, I doubt I would be seeing many 9’s. (I am not a TP diehard, just making a comparison) I will give him a 6. I will also hope this performance, the team set up and tactics was really due to their form and the fact we need to claw ourselves back into a place where we can have confidence and build resilience. However, right now I think that it tantamount to thinking Martina meant to deflect it off Klose.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 8, 2018 9:21:58 GMT
It seems like some on here are a bit peeved. No, come on RAF just give GR the same score as they did. They know best...otherwise you’re just peeved (because you must want your team to lose) or you have an agenda. If TP had delivered that performance, where we take the 3 points due to an own goal with 30% possession, I doubt I would be seeing many 9’s. (I am not a TP diehard, just making a comparison) I will give him a 6. I will also hope this performance, the team set up and tactics was really due to their form and the fact we need to claw ourselves back into a place where we can have confidence and build resilience. However, right now I think that it tantamount to thinking Martina meant to deflect it off Klose. In fairness mate I hadn't got RAF in mind when I posted that and it definitely wasn't aimed at him. He just took up the baton of 'defender of the peeved' for some reason Some were predicting we were going to get smashed and therefore looked a bit daft come 5pm on Saturday and were either very quiet or trying to deflect their stupidity by complaining about the performance. RAF was neither of those which is probably why he bridled when he thought it was being aimed at him. At no point have I said I was happy with the performance or necessarily the tactics we employed against Norwich. It's just that some of the same posters who were criticising Rowett and the team of having no bollocks and no plan and being unable to scrape to a result are now criticising them for doing just that. If we had been flying and getting results by thrashing teams off the park with our swashbuckling style and up at the top of the league then I would have made my displeasure at our approach at Norwich quite clear. But we haven't been, we've had a very faltering start to the season, we've played some decent stuff at times but have been let down by our defensive fragility. I can therefore understand Rowett's conservative approach to the game against Norwich, who were after all the leagues form team. As long as that is a one off. 'Pulis Lite' or similar is an insult that is regularly thrown at him but until Saturday I've seen very little evidence of that and as long as Saturday doesn't become the norm I'm more than happy to fluke ONE jacksie win with 30% possession and move on the the next game without my pants becoming too damp. Rowett himself admitted we've played better than that this season and not won. My powder (and my pants) is dry until I see what he produces going forward.
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Post by werrington on Oct 8, 2018 11:30:36 GMT
It was a very lucky victory, but we haven't had much luck for some time. We looked better at the back. I get not playing Bojan away so much, but I think Berahino should be starting for often than not. Maclean isn't fit yet..... or he's just a little bit shit. I also get the substitutions, adding some fresh legs in defence as were we holding on for a result. He deserves at least 8. I'll give him an extra mark for backing himself with the subs to hold on for three points. 9 It wasn’t a lucky victory at all We weren’t hanging on, we weren’t under intense pressure and Norwich were creating the square root of fuck all for all their possession In fact chances wise we had the better opportunities
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Oct 8, 2018 11:59:04 GMT
8 - Not much going on up top but certainly forst half felt that was poor play rather than poor managment, there were a number of occasions where we got bodies forward and then didn't find a red and white shirt.
As for the goal being lucky, if you stick a cross in between defence and keeper and the defender puts it in his own net, thats not luck, thats a good cross, played in at a decent pace, when the defence is off balance. The sort of cross in fact, that we have seen very little of in the last couple of years.
Limited them to very little.
Crap game but winning when we haven't really clicked in to gear has to be taken as a positive.
I think in addition the last 5 games, the failed comebacks against Blackburn and Forest, and the partially successful one against Rotherham, coupled with the two wins, have surely put to bed any suggestion that the players are not playing for the manager or that there would be any negative fallout from his post match criticism after the Blackburn game.
2 must wins and 4 very tough games in the next 6. This was a big 3 points to set us up for that run.
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