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Post by JimsChin on May 28, 2008 14:24:53 GMT
I'm pretty liberal and wouldn't vote for any right wing party; but I totally agree, if you are not a UK national and you commit a crime, you should have your visa cancelled and be kicked out of the country.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 14:27:09 GMT
The BNP is not the answer but they exist because of the inadequacies of the main 2 parties. If politicians weren’t scared of affecting someone’s human rights then action could be taken to tackle the big problems affecting this country.
Pick up any newspaper on any day and there will be a story (or stories) of people being stabbed or shot, stories of gangs carrying out “happy slap” attacks on innocent members of the public (I have no idea how the word “happy” can be used to describe some of these brutal attacks) and other random, mindless acts of violence.
Forget the issues we have over immigration it’s the mindless brutes (regardless of whether they are white, black, asian or outer Mongolian) that are ruining this country.
When these louts are caught and brought to justice they are given a slap on the wrist and told to go on there way.
It’s a sad, sad state of affairs.
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 14:44:25 GMT
Well said wizzard.
I voted BNP because of those reason's (and a few others) but does that class me as a racist?
It's the strain on services that really piss people off, and the fact that we can't sing Carrol's at Christmas and celebrate OUR own culture and beliefs IN OUR COUNTRY for the sake of offending the ethnic minority.
Would we be able to build a church in a Muslim country? NO but we allow them to express themselves freely, is that right?
I am proud to be British and proud of my heritage, and would like my children to learn about the British culture and heritage, and if my views offend people then I'm sorry but honestly I don't care...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 14:52:12 GMT
“the fact that we can't sing Carrol's at Christmas and celebrate OUR own culture and beliefs IN OUR COUNTRY for the sake of offending the ethnic minority.”
I don’t think that is a fact. I never sing carols myself but my sisters have never been arrested for doing so. All this nonsense from do-gooders who usually work for local councils trying to get us to say “winter festivities” instead of “Christmas” are a much smaller issue to the more serious things going on (i.e. see my post above).
The fact is every year at Christmas some stupid story breaks about some school in skegness has barred Christmas cards for fear of causing offence but 9 times out of 10 the person making the noise is a white person not an immigrant.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 28, 2008 14:53:47 GMT
And another problem is that a lot of people coming into the UK are from countries where very few laws exist..and guns are freely available..and the people with them are absolutely ruthless..and are acting like "role-models" to every wannabe thug in the UK
It's a problem created by politicians who, once inside The European Community, have no say in the matter...our doors are open to everyone within Europe..because of " Freedom of Movement" people within member European States can move around within them..but the consequences of this could be catastrophic
Politicians always say "They do the jobs that white people don't want...and bring much needed skills into the UK"
But they don't
A recent All Party Report showed conclusively that the effect of recent migration into the UK, in terms of improving the UK's economic performance, was "negligible" i.e' made no difference whatever..
But the increased strain on schools, hospitals, prisons, transport etc etc was "crippling"
But I'm just being "racist" aren't I ?
And once labelled/stigmatised as "racist" I may as well live up to the label
That's what a lot of people are thinking
And once again the BNP have tapped into that!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 28, 2008 14:55:54 GMT
The backlash has started
I've been smited by some sly cunt that hasn't got the balls he was born with
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 28, 2008 14:57:09 GMT
Well said wizzard. I voted BNP because of those reason's (and a few others) but does that class me as a racist? It's the strain on services that really piss people off, and the fact that we can't sing Carrol's at Christmas and celebrate OUR own culture and beliefs IN OUR COUNTRY for the sake of offending the ethnic minority. Would we be able to build a church in a Muslim country? NO but we allow them to express themselves freely, is that right? I am proud to be British and proud of my heritage, and would like my children to learn about the British culture and heritage, and if my views offend people then I'm sorry but honestly I don't care... 1) Aren't there quite a few churches in the Muslim country of Pakistan? 2) It isn't the Muslims who make the stupid laws about Christmas, it's the imbecile Councillors devoid of any common sense. What exactly is the BNP's super tactic for changing things for the better by the way?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 15:01:45 GMT
“2) It isn't the Muslims who make the stupid laws about Christmas, it's the imbecile Councillors devoid of any common sense.”
My point exactly RVD.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 28, 2008 15:02:09 GMT
The problem with people who vote BNP is that they are either "racist"(the most over-used word in the English language) or "a bit thick" i.e, they don't know what they're doing Well that could be applied to the majority of the population How many people sit down and read Manifestos? The REAL problem is that the white community, who are not all work-shy scroungers, have had genuine grievances that have been ignored by mainstream politicians for years, and along come the BNP, who are not all "racist-thugs" and listen The non-white population are ALWAYS treated as innocent victims In fact many white people are victims too The BNP didn't happen overnight...they are reacting to a situation People are getting a bit sick of "positive discrimination"(which nearly always dicriminates against white people) and criminals coming over to this country from Eastern Europe to committ their crimes like sex-trafficking, credit-card fraud etc etc BECAUSE they know they will serve their prison sentence here and be entitled to 3 meals a day, an education, leisure facilities, their "human rights"..it's a recipe for disaster People need to wake up before it's too late Many white people have been intimidated I'm speaking from afar but to read things like this in a paper like the Guardian shocks me abit. I know Alb & Ellie very well and have spent many a good away day with him. He is a racist, no two ways about it, always has been but then again, take a look at how many ethnic fans are at Stoke matches and how many times you've heard racist chants. It's not like we're the most politically correct club in the world is it? When I speak to my family at weekends I hear the same story week after week. My nan and grandad tell me what a tip the place is becoming, how people are getting stabbed and murdered all over the place, how they can never get a doctors appointment, how their pension is peanuts and how certain areas of the city are now no-go areas. They'd vote BNP tomorrow. My father in law was a bit of a hard man in his day but tells me of how he felt intimidated by paki gangs hanging around outside where he lives. General consensus is that we did well to get out when we did. What amazes me is that it is so easy to enter Britain. I have to go through a painfully slow process to be in Canada. My employment is limited to one employer in one city and the employer has to prove that they can't fill the job with a Canadian. IMO Labour has screwed its voters and it stems from the fact that they have stood unchallenged for so long under Blair. They somehow managed, with the help of the European government, to open the floodgates to cheap labour. Employers are happy cause they are making money, shareholders are happy cause they're making money and the immigrants are happy cause they're making money. The only people unhappy are those people who wouldn't work for their money most of which sound like they are on Bentilee by this article. Stoke's industries are now non existent. The pottery industry wanted to increase returns so sent everything to Indonesia. The Govt gave nothing to its labour heartland to support the miners, steel workers or pottery workers. It's ever likely the population has turned their backs on Labour. Whether Stoke-on-Trent actually wants a full blown BNP council remains to be seen. I doubt it but I think its the only way they can get the city noticed. No offence to Alb and his Mrs but running his joinery business is most likely the extent of his abilities. He's not capable of running the city unless things have changed big time over the last 8 years. (If you read this Alb, sorry mate but its the truth). You can only hope that Stoke's promotion to the Premier League will bring in new business that may realise the city has great road and rail links, is within striking distance of three international airports and has skilled workers at the ready. If this all happens and Stoke remain BNP instead of reverting back to Labour I'll be surprised. Take the poverty and fear away and the BNP will follow.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2008 15:07:37 GMT
fuckin hell, it's too late Alby and the boys have already been to see him Just quoting a FACT momo - sorry if you don't like it. Where is this fact? The Mail? What a laod of bollocks!
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 28, 2008 15:11:34 GMT
Does voting for the BNP make you a racist, well I'm afraid it does. You may not think you are, you may not even act like you are in any way but like a guy who drives home after 12 pints every night, you have to to be answerable to your actions.
Saying you're not racist but vote BNP is like saying your not a murderer but you like killing people.
They are essentially a one trick pony, the argument that they will fight for your rights when no one else seems to be doing so is a potent one but their thinly disguised over riding aim is a sinister one and anyone subscribing to it should hang their heads in shame and take the accusations that come with it because you deserve everyone of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2008 15:12:09 GMT
And the minorites on the whole don't give a fuck about Christmas and other things offending them. Its the white middle class politicians/ditherers that do. It is a piss take but wanting to get rid of people that are part of British culture and society is plain daft.
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 15:13:35 GMT
I agree it is the council who make these decisions, so a change in Council is needed, or do you disagree?
Whydelilah my 10 year old son (9 at the time) was due to sing Carrol's (with his school) in the Roebuck center in Newcastle in Dec 2007 and it was canceled because it may offend the ethnic minority is a FACT. Try explaining to a 9 year old why he can't sing Carrol's at Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 15:16:07 GMT
“Does voting for the BNP make you a racist, well I'm afraid it does. You may not think you are, you may not even act like you are in any way but like a guy who drives home after 12 pints every night, you have to to be answerable to your actions.
Saying you're not racist but vote BNP is like saying your not a murderer but you like killing people.
They are essentially a one trick pony, the argument that they will fight for your rights when no one else seems to be doing so is a potent one but their thinly disguised over riding aim is a sinister one and anyone subscribing to it should hang their heads in shame and take the accusations that come with it because you deserve everyone of them.”
Not really. They are a one trick pony but voting for them doesn’t make you a racist.
Hopefully the likes of Labour and The Tories will take heed from the increased votes for BNP and get their act in gear. The lack of control over immigration and the stresses it puts on public services needs tackling.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 28, 2008 15:17:55 GMT
I agree it is the council who make these decisions, so a change in Council is needed, or do you disagree? Whydelilah my 10 year old son (9 at the time) was due to sing Carrol's (with his school) in the Roebuck center in Newcastle in Dec 2007 and it was canceled because it may offend the ethnic minority is a FACT. Try explaining to a 9 year old why he can't sing Carrol's at Christmas. Do you agree that it isn't the Muslims' fault that they can't sing carols at Christmas? Again, what's the BNP's solution to these problems?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2008 15:20:13 GMT
Jack, the point I was trying to make is that some do-gooders trying to make us say “winter festivities” instead of xmas and getting us to stop singing xmas carrol’s are only minor problems for the UK on the grand scale of things.
Yes, I agree with you that it is completely wrong for people to try and stop us celebrating the tradition of xmas but it isn’t my main concern with what’s wrong with this country.
The violence we see every day is much more important issue to tackle. As is immigration being out of control which in turn cripples public services.
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 15:22:59 GMT
Sheik,
Saying voting for the BNP makes me a racist Ha that is like saying every Muslim wants to kill someone from the west.
Don't stereotype me I have my own thoughts as have the Asian and Eastern European communities.
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Post by followyoudown on May 28, 2008 15:34:04 GMT
Sheik, Saying voting for the BNP makes me a racist Ha that is like saying every Muslim wants to kill someone from the west. Don't stereotype me I have my own thoughts as have the Asian and Eastern European communities. Jack after reading such drivel I had to check again whether it was your karma or IQ showing as -4.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 28, 2008 15:42:47 GMT
You may not be racist jack but you are voting for a racist party and when you do that the lines become a bit blurred. Uncle Alby and Uncle Nick might no longer scream about there real reason for their being anymore, (not in public anyway) but dig around, it's not hard, they are purveyors of hate and division. Look at some of the evidence about the real views of the executive of this 'party' and if you're not a racist you will feel sick that you've ever put your faith anywhere near these head bangers.
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 15:44:11 GMT
RVD, In answer to your question. No I don't blame the Muslim's, as I have stated I blame the Council and Government, thats why I voted BNP. BNP's solutions to some of these problems are: Close our borders to any more immigrants (worked in Australia) Deportation for criminal offenders (without appeal) Show common sense (instead of political madness) Abolish free housing for immigrants already here, and no health care unless contributing to the Tax system. There are other policy's but the above are just an example for you. Hope I have answered your question, you can acquire more information out if you speak to a BNP candidate I'm sure they would be happy to talk to you
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2008 15:47:41 GMT
RVD, In answer to your question. No I don't blame the Muslim's, as I have stated I blame the Council and Government, thats why I voted BNP. BNP's solutions to some of these problems are: Close our borders to any more immigrants (worked in Australia) Deportation for criminal offenders (without appeal) Show common sense (instead of political madness) Abolish free housing for immigrants already here, and no health care unless contributing to the Tax system. There are other policy's but the above are just an example for you. Hope I have answered your question, you can acquire more information out if you speak to a BNP candidate I'm sure they would be happy to talk to you So by closing the borders You have to leave the EU which currently would be financial suicide imo.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 28, 2008 15:49:38 GMT
RVD, In answer to your question. No I don't blame the Muslim's, as I have stated I blame the Council and Government, thats why I voted BNP. BNP's solutions to some of these problems are: Close our borders to any more immigrants (worked in Australia) Deportation for criminal offenders (without appeal) Show common sense (instead of political madness) Abolish free housing for immigrants already here, and no health care unless contributing to the Tax system. There are other policy's but the above are just an example for you. Hope I have answered your question, you can acquire more information out if you speak to a BNP candidate I'm sure they would be happy to talk to you I see Would this deportation of criminals and denial of health care to freeloaders extend to British criminals and scroungers?
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 15:50:35 GMT
mmm good point.
But do we want to be in the EU ??? That's another debate
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 15:54:27 GMT
RVD,
The deportation applies to non nationals, this would free up prison space to deal with British criminals effectively.
As for the freeloaders I hope so, again another debate I think
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Post by TheDee51 on May 28, 2008 15:55:53 GMT
financial suicide my fucking arse.
The pound was much stronger before we ever entered into the EU and also not many people (apart from politicians, wanted it) Didnt the British public vote NOT to join the EU???.
So stop talking bollox,
People that voted BNP are NOT all racist they just believe in a few of their policies.
Are all men that wear Pink, Gay??
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 16:01:52 GMT
Well said The Dee.
Karma
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 28, 2008 16:05:23 GMT
So you vote for them on some of their policies and if racism, repatriation and even deportation of British Citizens is a bi-product, what the fuck eh?
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Post by jacksscfc on May 28, 2008 16:18:24 GMT
sheikhommo,
Show me (or explain) just 1 policy the BNP advocate that you class as racist?
If you can't then I suggest you shut your mouth because you are suggesting that people who vote for the BNP are racist, and that my friend is not the case.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2008 16:25:09 GMT
financial suicide my fucking arse. The pound was much stronger before we ever entered into the EU and also not many people (apart from politicians, wanted it) Didnt the British public vote NOT to join the EU???. So stop talking bollox, People that voted BNP are NOT all racist they just believe in a few of their policies. Are all men that wear Pink, Gay?? Where are we going to get the money from for regeneration? Who would we trade with? Who are we tied to financially? And the pound being decline has nothing to do with the EU. We need them as being in it makes it easier to trade. Without trade we really would be up shit creak without a paddle. And no but if You support a party that actively wants to get rid of anyone that it doesn't see as English then You are tantermount to being a racist. Its getting like Nazi Germany where only arians were allowed. And I bet You think they were bunch of idiots. Perversly or sadly You might not.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 28, 2008 16:28:23 GMT
Are you as naive as you sound jack? They would not be allowed to form as a political party if they were overt about their real views but dig around on the internet. Read a little. Look in to the history of Mr Griffin and others who dine at the uber table of their organisation. For Christs sake man, think about it.
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