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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 23, 2018 19:40:31 GMT
You know those counterfactual games, like what if men gave birth or what if Hitler had won World War 2? I found myself trying to visualise SCFC in the Prem, right now, and I can't do it. Whereas 12 months ago despite how flakey we'd become I couldn't honestly see us in the Champ, is that just me?
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Post by blooter on Sept 23, 2018 19:42:33 GMT
More chance of ending up in league 1 with this defence.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 23, 2018 19:44:05 GMT
If men gave birth it would certainly be less painful that watching this current Stoke team in the premier week in, week out.
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Post by norman conquest on Sept 23, 2018 19:53:43 GMT
When i first read the title i said fucking hell out loud, having had a minute to think of the horror of watching us playing the likes of man city spurs and even wolves i stick by my original fuccking hell
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Post by callas12 on Sept 23, 2018 19:57:59 GMT
No chance at all. The mere thought of being there now is frightening beyond belief..
Think we're way further away from the Premier League now than we were in the year we initially got promoted & this Championship is a far tougher league too.
Scary to think the heights we'd reached & they all seem confined to memory now with no realistic chance of them days of FA Cup Finals, European adventure or beating the top teams in the Prem happening any season soon..
Still found it amusing everyone was predicting us to be title favourites back in August especially as us realistic Stokies anyway knew we were far title favourites..
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 23, 2018 20:25:56 GMT
Nope we're a badly run club with a dreadful transfer team who don't have the ambition or foresight needed.
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Post by skip on Sept 23, 2018 20:33:55 GMT
The team that beat Man City with the roar of the crowd, the team that beat Bolton so convincingly at Wembley, or the team that casually thrashed Liverpool seem like a very long time ago.
We would get slaughtered in the Premier League right now.
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Post by 1982stokie on Sept 23, 2018 20:34:25 GMT
When i first read the title i said fucking hell out loud, having had a minute to think of the horror of watching us playing the likes of man city spurs and even wolves i stick by my original fuccking hell Have to agree, those 4 nil defeats would feel like good old days, you could see us losing by double figures to teams like Spurs Liverpool and Man City. |
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Post by duckling on Sept 23, 2018 20:43:03 GMT
I said last season that if we didn't get relegated last season, we would have been relegated this season in an epically embarrassing fashion. At least we got 33 points avoided finishing dead last.
If we had stayed up, we would have done a Derby 11 years after everyone predicted we would.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 23, 2018 20:45:59 GMT
It would be a nightmare
Like Fulham we would need to spend 100m. would our owners spend that - no they wouldn't
The thought of our slow ponderous team getting whipped by wolves let alone the top 6 is frightening.
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Post by onionman on Sept 23, 2018 21:00:56 GMT
More to the point, I can't even imagine us winning a few games in League One, like Sunderland are doing.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 23, 2018 21:03:37 GMT
Had we stayed up, really think there would have been a good chance of a 20 point, 25 goal scored season. It would start with being toothless, and end up a demoralising disaster.
No Shaq, still and maybe no Allen either.... But who would have been bought to replace him? Would the owners have invested the 30m?, or believed that the preceding season was an aberration and next year would see lessons learned plus the emergence of new talent. like Edwards, N'Goy, Campbell? Lambert would have got a contrac. (He'd become the scapegoat come about November, but in the meantime would not have rocked the boat to make the signings we needed.)
We'd have been talking about Demarai Gray, Nathan Redmond and Towsend as necessities in early May, and then - having failed to even go for them - tried to convince ourselves that Sobhi would finally come good this year, as we entered August. Perhaps we'd have mustered a last ditch loan where we snatched Harry Wilson or Ojo.
In May there would have been talk of Wellbeck as the new striker. Or Martial on loan. Or Rondon. And we would have ended up with some Spanish/Dutch/German U21 international that Cartwright had become obsessed by. (It would have taken 3 games to realise he was about the same level as Joselu and we'd spunked another 15m up the wall... plus he's on a 5 year deal. )
Maybe we'd have landed Phil Jones for 15m and quickly wondered why.
It became clear we needed a revolution from January on: a younger vibrant, hungry, energetic side built with players in the Woods mold: not necessarily British by nationality but fit and in form players who have proven their abilities in the British game, to reduce the ridiculous risks on people like Imbula and Jese, or those on players who'd not played for an age like Wimmer and Bera. Plus all the random punts (Stafy, Wolscheid et al). If ever we do get back to the PL, it would be a good template for us, trying to get the likes of Watkins, Sawyers, Tom Lawrence, Powell, Eze etc as the staple of our team, and picking off the best relegated players (perhaps this year Matt Philips, Mawson etc).
Rowett's done a bit of that in his dealings, but for my money, too much sentimentalty about the old guard - and the practical need to sell valuable assets (Butland, Allen) who could have been traded at the right moment for 5-6 new impactful players.
But the PL this season - would have been an utter and complete humiliation I reckon.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 23, 2018 22:13:55 GMT
With this squad we'd get fewer points than Derby managed that time.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 23, 2018 22:17:22 GMT
Bizarrely, I think our squad would get about the same amount of points in the Prem as we are getting in League One.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2018 22:44:23 GMT
We wouldn't need to spend any money in the Jan.transfer window,because we would already be down.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2018 22:47:38 GMT
I can, Ronaldo and Messi are in the starting line up every week and we haven't conceded a goal all season and scored at least 10 a game.
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Post by musik on Sept 23, 2018 23:04:07 GMT
If men gave birth it would certainly be less painful that watching this current Stoke team in the premier week in, week out. On the contrary, if men gave birth what would be the uterus? The stomach, I presume. And think of all the laxatives we would have to eat to get the kid out of the system. Smelly, covered with diarrhea. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 23:05:33 GMT
I can imagine it as we would still be playing hoof ball with Crouch up front and Jawdrop hoofing it up there.
I can't imagine the laughter on MOTD though.
Seems to me us Stokies are born to suffer, perhaps Moses wansn't the man to lead us to the land of milk and honey after all.
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Post by musik on Sept 23, 2018 23:09:26 GMT
Seems to me us Stokies are born to suffer, perhaps Moses wansn't the man to lead us to the land of milk and honey after all. I miss him. Great footballer. Victor. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 23, 2018 23:40:55 GMT
If a team with Blackburn's limited ability can tear us wide open like they did on Saturday 4 times, I dread to think what a quality premier league team would do. It would be absolute carnage.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 23, 2018 23:57:39 GMT
It would be an absolute embarrassment if we were in the Prem now, we'd get ripped apart by everyone, even the likes of Cardiff!!!
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 24, 2018 0:47:12 GMT
It would be an absolute embarrassment if we were in the Prem now, we'd get ripped apart by everyone, even the likes of Cardiff!!! I think we’d get ripped apart by most of League One at the moment |
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 24, 2018 0:48:12 GMT
With the state we're in could you imagine getting back at the first attempt?
We are a million miles from being competitive at that level, and the club doesn't seem compelled to act accordingly to get anywhere near the standard we reached 3 seasons ago
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 24, 2018 1:11:50 GMT
It would be an absolute embarrassment if we were in the Prem now, we'd get ripped apart by everyone, even the likes of Cardiff!!! I think we’d get ripped apart by most of League One at the moment Don't know whether to laugh or cry at that!!!  |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 24, 2018 1:19:50 GMT
I think we’d get ripped apart by most of League One at the moment Don't know whether to laugh or cry at that!!! Put another way, I had an eye on the Crewe Vale game at the weekend and was very glad we didn’t have to be involved in that. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 24, 2018 1:25:53 GMT
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at that!!! Put another way, I had an eye on the Crewe Vale game at the weekend and was very glad we didn’t have to be involved in that. Who would have foreseen this back in 2011 when we were ripping Bolton apart in the FA Cup semi final!!! Depressing innit!!!  |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 24, 2018 9:19:47 GMT
It would have been carnage had we survived. However, we would have kept Lambert and he would have tightened us up. I suspect we would be bottom on 1 or 0 points though. We would have lost the easier games 1-0 and the tough games 3-0.
The club is in disarray.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 24, 2018 9:56:28 GMT
Embarrassment where we are or total humiliation if we'd stayed? Tough one!  |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 24, 2018 13:56:33 GMT
It just reminds you how unavoidable relegation was.
No seasons of constant decline. Just one poor season with problems not addressed leading to a shambolic surrender of our status
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 24, 2018 14:01:08 GMT
It just reminds you how unavoidable relegation was. No seasons of constant decline. Just one poor season with problems not addressed leading to a shambolic surrender of our status It began at least the year before though, maybe even the one before that. |
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