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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 25, 2018 18:50:21 GMT
And some on here are just waking up to see what was wrong or even still struggling to spot the cause of the problems, you can rinse Rowett all you want about the latest 5 months but the signs were there 3 years ago and were ignored by most, this club is being run by halfwitts of the highest order from the board room down we are a basket case of a club.....now what's all the fuss about Peter, we didnt just lose a lot of games last year we got mullered most weeks in a fashion that was nothing short of embarrassing for a professional football team..if you went spurs away you know exactly what I mean, we have signed muniesa on free, wollsheid for 2.5mil and then Kevin whimmer for 18mil, Bruno for 7mill, we had the rated zouma on loan, we have Williams on loan to a full move, we have shawcross plus the many players we have bought in reserve and we still struggle to put two Center halves out who will do a job Rowett struggling let's make no bones about that but there's more to this than Rowett 5 month reign, take off the rose tinted spectacles and look at the bigger picture of over the last 3 years to see where the problems are and why we are in this predicament, when Rowett took control we needed as many as 9 first team players to compete in this league, we still persevere with Diouf...enough said. Thank God for work comitments that enforced me to take the decision to go pay as you go this year......a massive bullet dodged financially and emotionally because this season along side last season and the season before that is just horse shit Yes married life stinks For your pay as you go deal, which network provider did you use ? I’m on a contract but I think I’m just throwing my money away on something that I will never own . You don’t have to tell me about the financial and emotional burden, the headaches with trying to get through to them they sell you a phone but never fucking answer their own ! |
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Post by mozzer on Sept 25, 2018 21:50:47 GMT
Hold out much hope for promotion, seriously.... I never expected anything other than what is happening now from as long ago as last february, I knew that we would go down in spectacular fashion and then start to struggle against hard working lower budget teams, I have to admit when i saw rowett announced as manager I had a little wobble in my thought pattern that he may just get us slightly back on track and sort us out to salvage a little something from the upcoming season even if that something was pride and self belief, I thought that he just may shift the dead wood and turn us in to a solid mid table team with him knowing the basics of this league and the likely budget that he was getting, little did I realise that we would still be relying on diouf as a first choice player with Butland, shawcross, Allen, berahino and Pieters making the team sheet every week playing as they have done and indeed are still doing. Good post. The problem is I fear a lot of what he wanted to do was taken away from him. His signings on the whole have been good ones. The problem has been the players weve kept. I’m pretty sure he’d like to have raised money by selling Allen, Butland, Pieters, Ryan etc players that we would have got decent fees for and been able to reinvest in new players fit for purpose. I hold the board and Scholes / Cartwright far more responsible for the mess we’re in than Rowett. As he’s clearly only been given half the tools he wanted to do the job. I think that you are 100% bang on with your assessment, Rowett is on the ropes at the moment and in all honesty some of it is of his making with his decision making, the major problem is the turmoil and mismanagement that is rife throughout the club that will take longer than one transfer window and a 5 month managerial reign to get back on track, the bloke is on a hiding to nothing with all the expectancy that was evident preseason and unfortunately could be too much pressure to deal with especially when the board say that anything short of the play offs will be a catastrophe |
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Post by mozzer on Sept 25, 2018 21:53:53 GMT
For your pay as you go deal, which network provider did you use ? I’m on a contract but I think I’m just throwing my money away on something that I will never own . You don’t have to tell me about the financial and emotional burden, the headaches with trying to get through to them they sell you a phone but never fucking answer their own ! Yeah very good that, nah it's not I'm just being nice it's shit really Comedy not you strong point then |
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 25, 2018 23:08:19 GMT
For your pay as you go deal, which network provider did you use ? I’m on a contract but I think I’m just throwing my money away on something that I will never own . You don’t have to tell me about the financial and emotional burden, the headaches with trying to get through to them they sell you a phone but never fucking answer their own ! Yeah very good that, nah it's not I'm just being nice it's shit really Comedy not you strong point then I know it’s nearly as funny as your opinion that this clubs road to self destruction only started three years ago, now that’s what you call comedy gold ! |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 26, 2018 2:37:48 GMT
In hindsight, it is now clear that the owners realized three years ago that could not or chose not to pay the price to be competitive in the Premier League but were too selfish to sell the club to someone that was willing to make the necessary investment. Stoke City FC is Peter Coates’s play thing and, like a spoiled child he doesn’t want to give it up. Consequently, he is quite happy to be a big fish in a small pond, rather than be swallowed by a whale.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Sept 26, 2018 2:49:53 GMT
I thought the task for Stoke City in Championship with teams like Preston, Millwall and Rotherham would be easy with many PL players with Stoke but unfortunately those players who are supposed to be PL players are here with the team because they couldnt find a team in PL, they dont have ambition.
Any way it is still too early, and no one knows what will happen.
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Post by mozzer on Sept 26, 2018 6:34:20 GMT
I thought the task for Stoke City in Championship with teams like Preston, Millwall and Rotherham would be easy with many PL players with Stoke but unfortunately those players who are supposed to be PL players are here with the team because they couldnt find a team in PL, they dont have ambition. Any way it is still too early, and no one knows what will happen. Still too early for what?? It doesn't matter what happens in the future or when it happens, the point is we have been shite for the last 3 years and up to today we are still shite, hopefully Rowett will be using the next transfer window to make additions to the squad to try and rectify the continual demise the club finds itself from top to bottom. Just look at the stats between us and a team who should be on par with us West Brom, they are third because they had a basis of a team or the spine of a team that was able to compete in this league and then bought ok signings to improve the squad at this level, we bought the players we lacked but had no base of a team to add them to, still not convinced on McClean though |
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 26, 2018 8:32:03 GMT
Mozzer, that’s a great post. I came to the decision, the season before last, that I basically was having a season ticket because “that’s what I have always done”, rather than because of my enjoyment or that I look forward to cheering on and supporting Stoke. I am still as passionate as I have always been but my personal relationship with the club has changed massively. This season I have purchased my 4 season tickets in the Upper Franklyn stand and have yet to go to a game (I go to away games as a rule too). I have watched us on television however and see nothing that impressed me from this manager whatsoever. I dislike his arrogance especially, he comes across as a pompous self important arse that makes shit or absurd subs. For me, it’s the lack of identity, the apathy, the collective sleep walking of the majority but it’s especially the stale reaction of the CEO and Sit Peter. Whatever measures they’re using are so far off kilter it’s embarrassing. We have the genuine feel of a rotten club and the longer Rowett stays in post, throwing player after player under the bus then the longer I see the stench remaining. This manager couldn’t unite Siamese twins! Love him or loathe him, TP galvanised the club and it’s supporters. So much so that he remained in post longer than he should have after failing to achieve the evolution that he had promised. As supporters our part is to back the team, to support their efforts. Well, first there has to be effort and something to defend and feel proud of, regardless of who says “you’re shit”. I’ll never “fuck off up the Vale, before someone issues the bog standard Oatcake response, but I just wish I still felt the same. Maybe it’s because the last five seasons I have taken my two kids...which obviously changed my 20+ year matchday ritual. I just don’t know, but I absolutely dunner enjoy it anymore and I have witnessed some dire performances with the grace and reaction of a Monty Python sketch. I guess any club that feels content in spilling £18m on a Wimmer or Imbula deserves a relegation or some financial loss, however the supporters don’t deserve the complete none reaction that we have witnessed. Scholes should have been sent packing and, without sounding like Momo, with him still in situ I believe that my club will be bereft of the steadfast leadership it so desperately needs. "Tony Pulis galvanised the supporters"  If you don’t think he did, during our promotion year, and the two years afterwards, then I must have been at another club. I didn’t say that we all agreed with his methods but to a man every single Stoke supporter united in their absolute defence of the team and what we were doing, in defying popular punditry. Even to a point where the internationally accepted unit of measure for a players grit turned out to be if “THEY COULD DO IT ON A COLD TUESDAY NIGHT IN STOKE”. The rugby chants and the “fuck em” attitude that everyone I know had to every other fan in the country presented a galvanised force to be reckoned with, regardless of what the Oatcake views were at the time. Personally speaking I backed TP’s approach and the rigid cage until such time where it became evident that we were devoid of any evolution and that it had cost a small fortune to remain stagnated. I wanted TP gone the year before he eventually went, but I absolute believe he galvanised the supporters as without that unity we’d have only lasted a season! |
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Post by Bagwash on Sept 26, 2018 8:43:18 GMT
"Tony Pulis galvanised the supporters" If you don’t think he did, during our promotion year, and the two years afterwards, then I must have been at another club. I didn’t say that we all agreed with his methods but to a man every single Stoke supporter united in their absolute defence of the team and what we were doing, in defying popular punditry. Even to a point where the internationally accepted unit of measure for a players grit turned out to be if “THEY COULD DO IT ON A COLD TUESDAY NIGHT IN STOKE”. The rugby chants and the “fuck em” attitude that everyone I know had to every other fan in the country presented a galvanised force to be reckoned with, regardless of what the Oatcake views were at the time. Personally speaking I backed TP’s approach and the rigid cage until such time where it became evident that we were devoid of any evolution and that it had cost a small fortune to remain stagnated. I wanted TP gone the year before he eventually went, but I absolute believe he galvanised the supporters as without that unity we’d have only lasted a season! Excellent post onner. I thought we got rid of TP at the right time but that second spell in charge were some of the best times I have had being a Stoke fan. A lot of the abuse he gets on here is,imho disgusting and not warranted. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 9:03:26 GMT
"Tony Pulis galvanised the supporters" If you don’t think he did, during our promotion year, and the two years afterwards, then I must have been at another club. I didn’t say that we all agreed with his methods but to a man every single Stoke supporter united in their absolute defence of the team and what we were doing, in defying popular punditry. Even to a point where the internationally accepted unit of measure for a players grit turned out to be if “THEY COULD DO IT ON A COLD TUESDAY NIGHT IN STOKE”. The rugby chants and the “fuck em” attitude that everyone I know had to every other fan in the country presented a galvanised force to be reckoned with, regardless of what the Oatcake views were at the time. Personally speaking I backed TP’s approach and the rigid cage until such time where it became evident that we were devoid of any evolution and that it had cost a small fortune to remain stagnated. I wanted TP gone the year before he eventually went, but I absolute believe he galvanised the supporters as without that unity we’d have only lasted a season! We had one season (at home) where everybody was on board with what Pulis was doing and that was the first season back in the top league. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 26, 2018 9:19:51 GMT
In hindsight, it is now clear that the owners realized three years ago that could not or chose not to pay the price to be competitive in the Premier League but were too selfish to sell the club to someone that was willing to make the necessary investment. Stoke City FC is Peter Coates’s play thing and, like a spoiled child he doesn’t want to give it up. Consequently, he is quite happy to be a big fish in a small pond, rather than be swallowed by a whale. The problem wasn't not spending money, it's what we spent it on: 15-16: 20 million net spend - 38 million expenditure on Joselu, Wolly, Shaqiri and Imbula / 20 million income selling Begovic, Huth and N'zonzi16-17 29.5 million net spend - 31.5 expenditure on Joe Allen, Ramadan Sobhi , Lee Grant and Saido Berahino / 2 million incoming on Marc Wilson alone. 17-18 10 million net spend - 39+ million expenditure on Bruno Martins Indi, Wimmer , Moritz Bauer (undisclosed), Badou N'Diaye / 29 million incoming from Walters, Whelan, Arnautovic, Joselu 18-19 I make it around a 29 million net spend - ~51 million expenditure on Woods, Afobe, Ince, McClean, Etebo, Clucas, Federici (nominal) and 22 million in on Shaqiri, Grant and Sobhi and Muniesa So that's 60 million net spend across 3 years (not including 18-19), which puts us around 10th of the 14 clubs who survived from 2014-2018, considering the rate of spending of some clubs when they were up here too and their subsequent relegation that's around where we should have been. The caveat is the players listed in blue are players that I still feel we've never truly replaced. Whilst the players in red indicate players that are either no longer at the club (upon relegation), have been frozen out, or just plain aren't very good. They also happen to be the players we've spent the most on. The issue has been recruitment, we've spent more than we ever did from 13/14 - 15/16 it's just we lost the nucleus of what made us so effective and got lost in Hughes' identity crisis. We only spent 5 million in 13/14 and in 14/15 we only spent on Bojan. Recruitment has been the issue, which don't get me wrong still falls under the purview of Coates because he has to realise that Scholes and MC simply aren't up to scratch anymore. (if they ever were) Additionally, this is excluding some of the truly dreadful loans and freebies we've picked up in recent years. It's recruitment, nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by marrer on Sept 26, 2018 9:30:57 GMT
I'm sorry to put a different spin on this but if someone can send me 3 years of complete shite to put on my lawn I'd be grateful. We've moved to central New South Wales a few years ago and with this bloody drought going on, the fucking lawn hasn't just died, it's just bloody red dry earth. Mates have put rotted cow muck on their lawns and the fuckers are greening up and looking decent. If that can happen with good old cow manure, how good would 3 years of Stoke City shite be. It would be like fucking grass on viagra- instant growth straight up. So more Stoke shite I say and ship the stuff straight out here.
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 26, 2018 9:37:45 GMT
In hindsight, it is now clear that the owners realized three years ago that could not or chose not to pay the price to be competitive in the Premier League but were too selfish to sell the club to someone that was willing to make the necessary investment. Stoke City FC is Peter Coates’s play thing and, like a spoiled child he doesn’t want to give it up. Consequently, he is quite happy to be a big fish in a small pond, rather than be swallowed by a whale. So you’re suggesting that Coates Snr had prospective purchasers willingly to pay the going rate for a stable premier league club. So that would mean a price including the £70+ millions in loans, the cost of the stadium which is situated on a prime real estate location, the valuation of the players which at that time included Arnie & Shaqiri and lets not forget the Clayton woods site. So at a conservative estimate your roughly talking £200+million and then to take that team to the next level in the premier league another £100+ million, Now I can’t remember these mysterious buyers knocking down the reception doors at the Bet365 ? If so you’re looking at a foreign buyer and locally apart from Wolves these don’t seem to have a particular good outcome. I think even with relegation I would rather stick with the devil that i know, we haven’t done to bad with him at the helm but I do agree it’s time for him to move aside and let Jon take the club forward even it’s just to see Stan & Ollie waving goodbye. |
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 26, 2018 9:42:02 GMT
I'm sorry to put a different spin on this but if someone can send me 3 years of complete shite to put on my lawn I'd be grateful. We've moved to central New South Wales a few years ago and with this bloody drought going on, the fucking lawn hasn't just died, it's just bloody red dry earth. Mates have put rotted cow muck on their lawns and the fuckers are greening up and looking decent. If that can happen with good old cow manure, how good would 3 years of Stoke City shite be. It would be like fucking grass on viagra- instant growth straight up. So more Stoke shite I say and ship the stuff straight out here. Sounds like we have another revenue stream, all the good for self sufficiency ! |
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Post by foster on Sept 26, 2018 10:35:36 GMT
13. For context, this is the 63 league games played since the 3-1 win at Sunderland in January 2017. So a 1 in 5 win rate. That is relegation material all day long. Well yeah... obviously. |
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Sept 26, 2018 10:44:02 GMT
In hindsight, it is now clear that the owners realized three years ago that could not or chose not to pay the price to be competitive in the Premier League but were too selfish to sell the club to someone that was willing to make the necessary investment. Stoke City FC is Peter Coates’s play thing and, like a spoiled child he doesn’t want to give it up. Consequently, he is quite happy to be a big fish in a small pond, rather than be swallowed by a whale. Think you are spot on with cost of competing. I think they got scared but then the money that was made available was wasted. Would love to be a fly on the wall when Denise talks to Peter about the state of affairs. She must be livid. |
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 26, 2018 11:15:42 GMT
If you don’t think he did, during our promotion year, and the two years afterwards, then I must have been at another club. I didn’t say that we all agreed with his methods but to a man every single Stoke supporter united in their absolute defence of the team and what we were doing, in defying popular punditry. Even to a point where the internationally accepted unit of measure for a players grit turned out to be if “THEY COULD DO IT ON A COLD TUESDAY NIGHT IN STOKE”. The rugby chants and the “fuck em” attitude that everyone I know had to every other fan in the country presented a galvanised force to be reckoned with, regardless of what the Oatcake views were at the time. Personally speaking I backed TP’s approach and the rigid cage until such time where it became evident that we were devoid of any evolution and that it had cost a small fortune to remain stagnated. I wanted TP gone the year before he eventually went, but I absolute believe he galvanised the supporters as without that unity we’d have only lasted a season! We had one season (at home) where everybody was on board with what Pulis was doing and that was the first season back in the top league. So you agree then. Cheers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 11:30:23 GMT
We had one season (at home) where everybody was on board with what Pulis was doing and that was the first season back in the top league. So you agree then. Cheers. No I don't. You're painting the Pulis era as all sweetness and light when you know it wasn't. You made a sweeping statement about how Pulis galvanised the club and it's fans which simply isn't true. The main reason behind the fans being behind the team back then was the fact that it was our first season back after 23 years or so, not because of who our manager was. |
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Post by Dr Hesham on Sept 26, 2018 13:39:56 GMT
I thought the task for Stoke City in Championship with teams like Preston, Millwall and Rotherham would be easy with many PL players with Stoke but unfortunately those players who are supposed to be PL players are here with the team because they couldnt find a team in PL, they dont have ambition. Any way it is still too early, and no one knows what will happen. Still too early for what?? It doesn't matter what happens in the future or when it happens, the point is we have been shite for the last 3 years and up to today we are still shite, hopefully Rowett will be using the next transfer window to make additions to the squad to try and rectify the continual demise the club finds itself from top to bottom. Just look at the stats between us and a team who should be on par with us West Brom, they are third because they had a basis of a team or the spine of a team that was able to compete in this league and then bought ok signings to improve the squad at this level, we bought the players we lacked but had no base of a team to add them to, still not convinced on McClean though McClean can be a very good player in another game but not football, he is very good physically, he can run for hours, but he dont know what he should do with the ball. I watched many games for WBA last season, and i commented here 1 year ago that McClean is their worst player before any news about his signing with Stoke, WBA last season had above average goalkeeper, defense and center forward but their main problem was their midfielders and wingers, unfortunately McClean was the worst one in their week point. |
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 26, 2018 16:29:24 GMT
So you agree then. Cheers. No I don't. You're painting the Pulis era as all sweetness and light when you know it wasn't. You made a sweeping statement about how Pulis galvanised the club and it's fans which simply isn't true. The main reason behind the fans being behind the team back then was the fact that it was our first season back after 23 years or so, not because of who our manager was. Bollocks. Sweeping statement? Don’t talk daft. I quite clearly, if you stop ignoring written English, and specifically singled out a period of 3 years where I feel we were united. Certainly, whilst the away days weren’t pretty they weren’t the source of vitriol they became that eventually eroded the travelling fans. Those away days will stay with me. So, I say 3 years, you say 1, that’s fine. You still agree, even in what you say in regards to the cause of TP’s galvanising impact being due to our return to the top flight. TP got us up, ergo, he united us. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 16:43:22 GMT
No I don't. You're painting the Pulis era as all sweetness and light when you know it wasn't. You made a sweeping statement about how Pulis galvanised the club and it's fans which simply isn't true. The main reason behind the fans being behind the team back then was the fact that it was our first season back after 23 years or so, not because of who our manager was. Bollocks. Sweeping statement? Don’t talk daft. I quite clearly, if you stop ignoring written English, and specifically singled out a period of 3 years where I feel we were united. Certainly, whilst the away days weren’t pretty they weren’t the source of vitriol they became that eventually eroded the travelling fans. Those away days will stay with me. So, I say 3 years, you say 1, that’s fine. You still agree, even in what you say in regards to the cause of TP’s galvanising impact being due to our return to the top flight. TP got us up, ergo, he united us. Pulis divided our support more than any manager ever has in our history. You know it and I know it. And not just in here either. |
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 26, 2018 16:46:49 GMT
Bollocks. Sweeping statement? Don’t talk daft. I quite clearly, if you stop ignoring written English, and specifically singled out a period of 3 years where I feel we were united. Certainly, whilst the away days weren’t pretty they weren’t the source of vitriol they became that eventually eroded the travelling fans. Those away days will stay with me. So, I say 3 years, you say 1, that’s fine. You still agree, even in what you say in regards to the cause of TP’s galvanising impact being due to our return to the top flight. TP got us up, ergo, he united us. Pulis divided our support more than any manager ever has in our history. You know it and I know it. And not just in here either. Yep, totally agree 100%. He also galvanised and united us like you say. |
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Post by seanpearse on Sept 26, 2018 18:41:59 GMT
Mozzer, that’s a great post. I came to the decision, the season before last, that I basically was having a season ticket because “that’s what I have always done”, rather than because of my enjoyment or that I look forward to cheering on and supporting Stoke. I am still as passionate as I have always been but my personal relationship with the club has changed massively. This season I have purchased my 4 season tickets in the Upper Franklyn stand and have yet to go to a game (I go to away games as a rule too). I have watched us on television however and see nothing that impressed me from this manager whatsoever. I dislike his arrogance especially, he comes across as a pompous self important arse that makes shit or absurd subs. For me, it’s the lack of identity, the apathy, the collective sleep walking of the majority but it’s especially the stale reaction of the CEO and Sit Peter. Whatever measures they’re using are so far off kilter it’s embarrassing. We have the genuine feel of a rotten club and the longer Rowett stays in post, throwing player after player under the bus then the longer I see the stench remaining. This manager couldn’t unite Siamese twins! Love him or loathe him, TP galvanised the club and it’s supporters. So much so that he remained in post longer than he should have after failing to achieve the evolution that he had promised. As supporters our part is to back the team, to support their efforts. Well, first there has to be effort and something to defend and feel proud of, regardless of who says “you’re shit”. I’ll never “fuck off up the Vale, before someone issues the bog standard Oatcake response, but I just wish I still felt the same. Maybe it’s because the last five seasons I have taken my two kids...which obviously changed my 20+ year matchday ritual. I just don’t know, but I absolutely dunner enjoy it anymore and I have witnessed some dire performances with the grace and reaction of a Monty Python sketch. I guess any club that feels content in spilling £18m on a Wimmer or Imbula deserves a relegation or some financial loss, however the supporters don’t deserve the complete none reaction that we have witnessed. Scholes should have been sent packing and, without sounding like Momo, with him still in situ I believe that my club will be bereft of the steadfast leadership it so desperately needs. Best view of any fan on any forum I've read in years shows you have no choice who you support if you're of a certain age And the money he has spent and not being entertained and we as fans should be entertained even when we lose if everything has been left on the pitch and we've attacked but the other team was better ah well I stopped going to my team derby when rowett was in charge was leaving the match even when we won thinking that was shocking lucky dire not entertained I watched from afar looked for the result listened on the radio but couldn't watch them Playoffs 1_0 up from the first leg and we go to Fulham keep the leagues leading scorer on the bench Rowett tried to defend a 1_0 lead against the leagues form team I shudder at how bad he was I truly feel sorry for you |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 26, 2018 19:10:59 GMT
If you don’t think he did, during our promotion year, and the two years afterwards, then I must have been at another club. I didn’t say that we all agreed with his methods but to a man every single Stoke supporter united in their absolute defence of the team and what we were doing, in defying popular punditry. Even to a point where the internationally accepted unit of measure for a players grit turned out to be if “THEY COULD DO IT ON A COLD TUESDAY NIGHT IN STOKE”. The rugby chants and the “fuck em” attitude that everyone I know had to every other fan in the country presented a galvanised force to be reckoned with, regardless of what the Oatcake views were at the time. Personally speaking I backed TP’s approach and the rigid cage until such time where it became evident that we were devoid of any evolution and that it had cost a small fortune to remain stagnated. I wanted TP gone the year before he eventually went, but I absolute believe he galvanised the supporters as without that unity we’d have only lasted a season! Excellent post onner. I thought we got rid of TP at the right time but that second spell in charge were some of the best times I have had being a Stoke fan. A lot of the abuse he gets on here is,imho disgusting and not warranted. Yes, he handled his return with West Brom with such dignity. It comes to something when Bojan wants to stick one on you. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 26, 2018 19:28:00 GMT
Bollocks. Sweeping statement? Don’t talk daft. I quite clearly, if you stop ignoring written English, and specifically singled out a period of 3 years where I feel we were united. Certainly, whilst the away days weren’t pretty they weren’t the source of vitriol they became that eventually eroded the travelling fans. Those away days will stay with me. So, I say 3 years, you say 1, that’s fine. You still agree, even in what you say in regards to the cause of TP’s galvanising impact being due to our return to the top flight. TP got us up, ergo, he united us. Pulis divided our support more than any manager ever has in our history. You know it and I know it. And not just in here either. A few very regular vocal posters on this board created a divide in our support |
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Post by PolPotter on Sept 26, 2018 19:42:57 GMT
I said it when we lost 2-0 away to Leicester City few seasons ago - the issues at Stoke are deep rooted. Hughes, Lambert and Rowett were/are just a small part of the issues at the club. Small time owners.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 19:46:06 GMT
Good post. The problem is I fear a lot of what he wanted to do was taken away from him. His signings on the whole have been good ones. The problem has been the players weve kept. I’m pretty sure he’d like to have raised money by selling Allen, Butland, Pieters, Ryan etc players that we would have got decent fees for and been able to reinvest in new players fit for purpose. I hold the board and Scholes / Cartwright far more responsible for the mess we’re in than Rowett. As he’s clearly only been given half the tools he wanted to do the job. I think that you are 100% bang on with your assessment, Rowett is on the ropes at the moment and in all honesty some of it is of his making with his decision making, the major problem is the turmoil and mismanagement that is rife throughout the club that will take longer than one transfer window and a 5 month managerial reign to get back on track, the bloke is on a hiding to nothing with all the expectancy that was evident preseason and unfortunately could be too much pressure to deal with especially when the board say that anything short of the play offs will be a catastrophe Perhaps it's time for Coates Snr, Cartwright and Scholes to exit stage right through the door marked DO ONE 😬 |
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Post by mozzer on Sept 27, 2018 6:36:53 GMT
I think that you are 100% bang on with your assessment, Rowett is on the ropes at the moment and in all honesty some of it is of his making with his decision making, the major problem is the turmoil and mismanagement that is rife throughout the club that will take longer than one transfer window and a 5 month managerial reign to get back on track, the bloke is on a hiding to nothing with all the expectancy that was evident preseason and unfortunately could be too much pressure to deal with especially when the board say that anything short of the play offs will be a catastrophe Perhaps it's time for Coates Snr, Cartwright and Scholes to exit stage right through the door marked DO ONE 😬 I don't think it's quite come to that yet to be honest, they should just concentrate on sorting their club out to enable it to grow, if they don't and we keep what we have then we will always be the same. I'm sure Rowett can do a job and keep us in this league when the next window opens, I'm sure Rowett can stabilise us with another summer transfer window going in to next season and I am sure that with another January transfer next season he can get us towards the play offs, No quick fixes to this great steaming pile of opportunity The board need sort the club out Rowett needs sort the team out |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 12:24:04 GMT
Perhaps it's time for Coates Snr, Cartwright and Scholes to exit stage right through the door marked DO ONE 😬 I don't think it's quite come to that yet to be honest, they should just concentrate on sorting their club out to enable it to grow, if they don't and we keep what we have then we will always be the same. I'm sure Rowett can do a job and keep us in this league when the next window opens, I'm sure Rowett can stabilise us with another summer transfer window going in to next season and I am sure that with another January transfer next season he can get us towards the play offs, No quick fixes to this great steaming pile of opportunity The board need sort the club out Rowett needs sort the team out Mozzer! There is no room on this board for people like you with well thought and considered views amongst those, somewhat like myself knee jerk Neanderthals! Please vacate this forum by the door marked DO ONE 😬😁👍 |
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Post by nik80 on Sept 27, 2018 12:43:00 GMT
31 defeats from the last 63 league games. A culture of failure. Jesus Christ, I’d not seen the stats. We really have suffered long enough. |
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