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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 7:26:06 GMT
Serious questions over his place in the team after that performance to be fair.
This could pave the way for Fletcher to return, and boy have we missed him!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 21, 2018 7:29:59 GMT
He's our best player by a mile so in Gary Rowett's children's 'paint by numbers' book of management he's given the Captaincy. Just let him fucking play and give the captaincy to Runaround Joe or some other plodder. The captaincy is the reason for him being sloppy in possession and giving the ball away numerous times?!… wow, that armband has serious destructive powers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 21, 2018 7:37:01 GMT
He's our best player by a mile so in Gary Rowett's children's 'paint by numbers' book of management he's given the Captaincy. Just let him fucking play and give the captaincy to Runaround Joe or some other plodder. The captaincy is the reason for him being sloppy in possession and giving the ball away numerous times?!… wow, that armband has serious destructive powers. You only had to read Friday's Sentinel to see it was already weighing on his mind.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 21, 2018 7:58:05 GMT
The captaincy is the reason for him being sloppy in possession and giving the ball away numerous times?!… wow, that armband has serious destructive powers. You only had to read Friday's Sentinel to see it was already weighing on his mind. Don't read it so I'm unaware of his comments.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 21, 2018 8:01:06 GMT
You only had to read Friday's Sentinel to see it was already weighing on his mind. Don't read it so I'm unaware of his comments. He was on about how he was desperate to lead by example and so on and I think it showed in his game. Has he ever done it before? Give it to Allen it wont affect his crisp packet chasing act one bit.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 21, 2018 8:03:59 GMT
He’s been signed to play deep mate. Agreed, but he was too deep presumably to protect the back four which is why we are conceding less goals. However, now we are not scoring at the other end because there a massive gap in between Woods and Allen and Bojan. Add that to the fact that Woods’s passing was dreadful yesterday, he must given it aways at least six or seven times. Isn’t it a bit soon to say ‘now we’re not scoring at the other end’? It’s one bloody game we haven’t scored in!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 21, 2018 8:31:53 GMT
Serious questions over his place in the team after that performance to be fair. This could pave the way for Fletcher to return, and boy have we missed him! You jester you.......had me going for a minute.....
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 21, 2018 8:43:52 GMT
Bossing what the back four😄 Was he in the back four when he played that brilliant ball in behind the full back for Martina? Or when he plucked the ball out of the sky, Arnie-like, on the edge of their box, and laid it off? Or when he led the charge on the break 2-3 times during that spell? He was way too deep which means he can only influence the game with an absolute world beating intervention. Not solely his fault as he needs the centre backs to drive forward if he drops deep and that will never happen. So he has to get closer to the rest of the midfield. He also wasn’t in view when they ran at our defence for the goal. Our midfield isn’t right and my view is we need to give Etebo more of a role
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 21, 2018 8:45:39 GMT
Was he in the back four when he played that brilliant ball in behind the full back for Martina? Or when he plucked the ball out of the sky, Arnie-like, on the edge of their box, and laid it off? Or when he led the charge on the break 2-3 times during that spell? He was way too deep which means he can only influence the game with an absolute world beating intervention. Not solely his fault as he needs the centre backs to drive forward if he drops deep and that will never happen. So he has to get closer to the rest of the midfield. He also wasn’t in view when they ran at our defence for the goal. Our midfield isn’t right and my view is we need to give Etebo more of a role Etebo is surely worth a go in place of Allen but Woods is always going to play deep and he’s generally been effective in that role so far.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2018 9:07:39 GMT
I only listened on the radio today but Nige wasn't to impressed today, what's the thoughts of people who watched the game? He's getting slowly and steadily worse with each passing game. Wonder why? Why?
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Post by mrred on Oct 21, 2018 9:12:37 GMT
It's a bit of a strange comment to make but I feel he's probably just trying a bit too hard. Yesterday was the first time I've seen him in the flesh and I was surprised by the ground he covered and how much he tried to link everything together. He was a DM, he was a CB, he was a winger, he was in fucking left back at times.
Think he just needs to calm it down a bit and let others play their game. It is nice seeing someone actually lead the team though.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2018 9:13:54 GMT
I swear I see a different game to most people. He had the front two lurking and charging him whenever he got the ball, initially at least. Most people agree that they were parking the bus. But it was definitely an organized high press for the first 30 minutes by Birmingham. There was a point where he was surrounded by 3 players, looked like he was about to lose possession, then backed into player behind him to create space for himself and then took off full speed past the other two. He played 6/7 absolutely awful passes some of which were inexcusable, you must have seen them? I’m not knocking the guy as a whole he’s been excellent, but by his own high standards he was poor yesterday..... Well said. Allen gets slaughtered for it, so why make excuses for Woods?
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Oct 21, 2018 9:14:03 GMT
He's getting slowly and steadily worse with each passing game. Wonder why? Why? Well he has been commentating for about 50 years so time is clearly getting the better of him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2018 9:24:36 GMT
He's getting slowly and steadily worse with each passing game. Wonder why? Why? Maybe because the manager is already curtailing his natural game by playing him deeper and deeper with each passing game? It's hard to link the attack and defence, as he did in his first couple of games when your starting position is basically on the toes of the centre half. I blame our lousy manager rather than the player himself.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 21, 2018 9:26:28 GMT
He was way too deep which means he can only influence the game with an absolute world beating intervention. Not solely his fault as he needs the centre backs to drive forward if he drops deep and that will never happen. So he has to get closer to the rest of the midfield. He also wasn’t in view when they ran at our defence for the goal. Our midfield isn’t right and my view is we need to give Etebo more of a role Etebo is surely worth a go in place of Allen but Woods is always going to play deep and he’s generally been effective in that role so far. There is deep then there is on Williams toes. He's played at least 10 yards deeper, maybe even 15, in the last 2 games and he's been crap.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 21, 2018 9:27:40 GMT
Maybe because the manager is already curtailing his natural game by playing him deeper and deeper with each passing game? It's hard to link the attack and defence, as he did in his first couple of games when your starting position is basically on the toes of the centre half. I blame our lousy manager rather than the player himself. I think that might apply to other players well. Players who normally score for fun in this league.
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Post by luke45 on Oct 21, 2018 13:00:52 GMT
Yesterday highlighted just how important his role has become in this team already and how disfunctional our play looks when he isn't performing. Whilst I don't think he was our worst player yesterday it was certainly his poorest game for us so far and that composure and ability to recycle the ball effectively was inconsistent throughout. He's become the most important player in our starting eleven and if he is having an off day I think the team as a whole is going to struggle to gain a positive result, nobody else can fulfill the role that he does and provide that link between midfield and attack.
It was an off day and hopefully he wont have too many more this season because he's been generally superb so far. Personally I'd bring Ryan back into the team on Tuesday and let Woods focus on his individual role again without the added responsibility of the captaincy. He's done a solid job with the armband and I'm sure he will again when called upon.
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Post by harlequin on Oct 21, 2018 13:06:47 GMT
I swear I see a different game to most people. He had the front two lurking and charging him whenever he got the ball, initially at least. Most people agree that they were parking the bus. But it was definitely an organized high press for the first 30 minutes by Birmingham. There was a point where he was surrounded by 3 players, looked like he was about to lose possession, then backed into player behind him to create space for himself and then took off full speed past the other two. He played 6/7 absolutely awful passes some of which were inexcusable, you must have seen them? I’m not knocking the guy as a whole he’s been excellent, but by his own high standards he was poor yesterday..... No, I've already decided he's a beast of a player and can do no wrong so this is the hill I'll die on.
Agree he was average but thought he was being handled well rather than a drop in performance and in response he tried a few low percentage balls. Self-fulfilling prophecy. Inexcusable DCM play for me was Glen Whelan passing it out to the advertising hoardings for no discernible reason for a few mad games.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 21, 2018 13:24:58 GMT
We must accept one bad game from Woods as well, but still he was better than Allen in my opinion.
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Oct 22, 2018 5:53:37 GMT
I hate to say this but...can we keep him.? He already looks a Premier league player. His passing is excellent and always looking to go forward.. January could be a very interesting window.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Oct 22, 2018 6:09:20 GMT
interesting time to post this as I thought Saturday was his first average game for us really. Still a class player though and don’t think he’ll be off any time soon
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Oct 22, 2018 6:41:56 GMT
He was shite on Saturday.
I’m reserving judgment until we’ve seen more of him. He does seem to be the best thing since Moritz Bauer for quite a few fans, but I’d rather see if he’s consistent with it.
I think it speaks volumes about the midfielders we’ve had in recent years that he seems to get rave reviews every week. They’ve not exactly set the bar very high have they?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 22, 2018 8:52:31 GMT
He was way too deep which means he can only influence the game with an absolute world beating intervention. Not solely his fault as he needs the centre backs to drive forward if he drops deep and that will never happen. So he has to get closer to the rest of the midfield. He also wasn’t in view when they ran at our defence for the goal. Our midfield isn’t right and my view is we need to give Etebo more of a role Etebo is surely worth a go in place of Allen but Woods is always going to play deep and he’s generally been effective in that role so far. I think Etebo could be a Kante type midfielder, Tox. Quick to the ball, athletic etc. He could do the dirty work to take pressure off Woods.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 22, 2018 8:56:27 GMT
He was shite on Saturday. I’m reserving judgment until we’ve seen more of him. He does seem to be the best thing since Moritz Bauer for quite a few fans, but I’d rather see if he’s consistent with it. I think it speaks volumes about the midfielders we’ve had in recent years that he seems to get rave reviews every week. They’ve not exactly set the bar very high have they? Fair points. I grew up watching Bracewell, Sammy Mac and Mickey Thomas. I think they piss on anything we have had recently. Woods looks like he's got potential, though.
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Post by peekay67 on Oct 22, 2018 8:57:50 GMT
Woods is a class act. He plays in the Championship. He will have poor games. If he played every game consistently he would be gone in the next transfer window.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 22, 2018 9:22:59 GMT
Don't read it so I'm unaware of his comments. He was on about how he was desperate to lead by example and so on and I think it showed in his game. Has he ever done it before? Give it to Allen it wont affect his crisp packet chasing act one bit. "crisp packet chasing act"....brilliant!!!
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Post by coxeymcqueen on Oct 22, 2018 9:25:38 GMT
Woods has been quality and is more like the sort of player we’ve been missing - an N’Zonzi type who can hold the ball up and pick a pass. On Saturday though he was poor, but that seemed to be down to him sitting deep and often playing as if he was a third centre half. That can only be under the manager’s instructions.
A midfield three of Woods, Bojan &Allen or Etebo should be running rings round championship teams. The problem is Woods is too deep, Bojan is too deep and Allen is too high up the pitch. It’s easily sorted.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 22, 2018 10:48:05 GMT
Woods has been quality and is more like the sort of player we’ve been missing - an N’Zonzi type who can hold the ball up and pick a pass. On Saturday though he was poor, but that seemed to be down to him sitting deep and often playing as if he was a third centre half. That can only be under the manager’s instructions. A midfield three of Woods, Bojan &Allen or Etebo should be running rings round championship teams. The problem is Woods is too deep, Bojan is too deep and Allen is too high up the pitch. It’s easily sorted. Can't understand why Allen played so high up and Bojan played too deep, it's a bit of a headscratcher that!!! 🤔 Unless it's Rowett's way of making Bojan look shit??? Which didn't work may I add!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 11:28:06 GMT
Woods has been quality and is more like the sort of player we’ve been missing - an N’Zonzi type who can hold the ball up and pick a pass. On Saturday though he was poor, but that seemed to be down to him sitting deep and often playing as if he was a third centre half. That can only be under the manager’s instructions. A midfield three of Woods, Bojan &Allen or Etebo should be running rings round championship teams. The problem is Woods is too deep, Bojan is too deep and Allen is too high up the pitch. It’s easily sorted. Can't understand why Allen played so high up and Bojan played too deep, it's a bit of a headscratcher that!!! 🤔 Unless it's Rowett's way of making Bojan look shit??? Which didn't work may I add!!! I think the idea is that Rowett wants Bojan to orchestrate the play more and Allen to arrive late in the box, which nearly worked a couple of times on Saturday to be fair. I don't agree with it mind, but it's certainly not to make Bojan look shit. In this type of game, against 10 defenders, Bojan won't find space between midfield and defence because there is very little, so he's sat slightly deeper where he can get on the ball and dictate play. That said, his best play was when he was playing fast, sharp passes on the edge of the box. Beating defensive teams is difficult, that's why they do it.
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Post by coxeymcqueen on Oct 22, 2018 11:43:51 GMT
Can't understand why Allen played so high up and Bojan played too deep, it's a bit of a headscratcher that!!! 🤔 Unless it's Rowett's way of making Bojan look shit??? Which didn't work may I add!!! I think the idea is that Rowett wants Bojan to orchestrate the play more and Allen to arrive late in the box, which nearly worked a couple of times on Saturday to be fair. I don't agree with it mind, but it's certainly not to make Bojan look shit. In this type of game, against 10 defenders, Bojan won't find space between midfield and defence because there is very little, so he's sat slightly deeper where he can get on the ball and dictate play. That said, his best play was when he was playing fast, sharp passes on the edge of the box. Beating defensive teams is difficult, that's why they do it. If you watch the Sky Sports highlights it shows Bojan involved in most of our attacks until he was subbed. I actually thought he looked most dangerous in the second half when he was playing further up and linking well with Ince on the right hand side. At that point Birmingham were starting to lose their shape. Bringing on Crouch and Adam made it easier for Birmingham because they can defend 10 yards higher up becuse of the lack of pace. Baffling management.
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