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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2018 21:19:58 GMT
So far he is looking like a poor man's Jon Walters. I hope he doesn't start Wednesday so we can see Ince on the left. Walters was a clever player who understood what he was good at and realised what he wasn't. Don't see any comparison. MacLean,so far,is a black mark against the manager.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 19, 2018 21:26:24 GMT
Is he one of Rowetts or one from the two plebs? He wasn't a regular for the Baggies, it was a strange signing all round. Berahino and Fletcher weren’t starters for West Brom either, which is symbolic of how far we have fallen. Fletcher wasn't a starter for West Brom?!... hmm, that isn't strictly true is it?! The guy who was their captain and broke the record for the amount of consecutive starts?!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 19, 2018 22:48:40 GMT
Question?
Is it compulsory for Stoke to buy all WBA shit players?
E.g. Berahino (Mr no goals) Fletcher (Legs have gone) and now McClean (Vale standard at best)
I’ve gone from watching Arnie & Shaq to these useless oafs...How f**king depressing!
Meanwhile, WBA are demolishing QPR 7-1 and scoring 13 goals in 4 games ☹️
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 20, 2018 6:00:45 GMT
Funny how Rowett wanted the ‘freshen the group up after relegation’ then buys McClean from West Brom and clucas from Swansea who were both relegated!
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Post by george2again on Aug 20, 2018 6:33:25 GMT
Hes going to become a squad player for 5 million - tragic. You can see straight away that he will never improve the way he plays, he has not got the ability to do so. Its a downward spiral from here.
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Aug 20, 2018 6:40:21 GMT
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Post by questionable on Aug 20, 2018 6:40:21 GMT
Never seen such a flat footed and embarrassingly slow winger, swear blind half the time looks like he’s running backwards, not in a defensive manner btw
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 20, 2018 6:43:34 GMT
Hes going to become a squad player for 5 million - tragic. You can see straight away that he will never improve the way he plays, he has not got the ability to do so. Its a downward spiral from here. Only 3 years 10 and a half months left on his contract left though!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 6:51:24 GMT
I am not a fan of the man BUT we should hold judgement and give him until around 10 games before our verdict because he did not have a pre season. He was training on his own until he signed for us.
I think the whole team needs 10 games before we judge it because of when player have come into the team and because our preseason was a waist of time with the games we played.
If I'm honest I don't think he will improve but we should look at the big picture and give the man a fair chance
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Aug 20, 2018 6:59:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 6:59:27 GMT
This is the best he’s going to be too, he’s 29, he’s now past his peak, and at his his peak, he was dog shit.
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Post by Northy on Aug 20, 2018 7:12:00 GMT
4?I was hoping it was 2 Months.
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Post by Northy on Aug 20, 2018 7:13:25 GMT
He deserves to be playing in Red n Whites Stripes. For Derry City. The candystripes, named after a sweet?
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Aug 20, 2018 9:59:27 GMT
Post by thegrassyknoll on Aug 20, 2018 9:59:27 GMT
West Brom certainly saw us coming - three times for fecks sake! 1st. Berahino. £16m plus £75k a week for 5 years. Hasn’t scored other than with a hooker for two years 2nd. Fletcher ok a free but expensive wages for a finished footballer 3rd. McClean. £6m and another high wage for 4 years. Crap and always has been What have we done to WBA for them to offload their garbage on a fellow Midlands team. We’ll be be taking Chadl next on loan with option to buy for £15m and pay him £50k a week to be permanently injured! Couldn’t make it up. I would have been far, far happier if WBA had moved these misfits to the rabble down the A41, who play in yellow shirts, but sadly we don't live in a perfect world.
How strange how reputations can crumble so quickly. I would remind the Oatcake that, at the time of his signing, many SCFC fans were pleased that Fletcher had been 'stolen' from the Capped One's clutches. (WBA had only offered a 1 year contract, and Hughes was happy to double the length and pay extra too. Tone, as he is prone to do, had caused some personal friction with Fletcher, by leaving him out of the starting line-up for one game to deprive him of a sequence of consecutive games.) However McClean never had that much of an Albion reputation to undermine - what you have seen in a Stoke shirt sounds about as good as it gets. I did say when he signed for you, that he would concede dangerous free kicks late in games that would cost you points. I'll give you another prediction. Now that he obviously under pressure to keep his place in the team, he will put in even more desperate challenges that should not be seen on a football pitch. Never the cleverest of players, he will on past performances when he is struggling, take it out of the opposition. I hope Rowett drops him before SCFC visit WBA!!
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Aug 20, 2018 10:25:04 GMT
Post by stokeson on Aug 20, 2018 10:25:04 GMT
Going to be a good player for us in grind out a win games. A fan favourite by the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 10:30:05 GMT
I think he will be decent in this league when we find our feet, it'll only take a few wins and the perception of him (and everyone else for that matter) will change dramatically.
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Aug 20, 2018 10:34:56 GMT
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Post by tomcmod on Aug 20, 2018 10:34:56 GMT
As previously stated above he has had no preseason as he was training by himself. His match sharpness is way behind but he does show glimpses. Wasn't it his cross for Saido's header? I wouldn't call him slow either.
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Aug 20, 2018 10:36:48 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Aug 20, 2018 10:36:48 GMT
He is what he is - a hard working grafter.
But we needed better.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 20, 2018 10:38:19 GMT
Meanwhile West Brom have replaced him with Harvey Barnes who looks the business , maybe just a years loan but if it gets them back up great deal.
I don't blame McClean , he is what he is and does try but who wanted him here and why ?
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Post by george2again on Aug 20, 2018 11:36:29 GMT
Never read so much tripe in the last few posts. He is very limited, adds nothing going forward, no pace, no skill level. )look at his stats for Christ sake) what do they say class is permanent but form is temporary? He may gain some form but he will always be gash. He really is a poor footballer and at his age will deteriate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 11:44:35 GMT
Hes going to become a squad player for 5 million - tragic. You can see straight away that he will never improve the way he plays, he has not got the ability to do so. Its a downward spiral from here. If he becomes a useful squad player it'll be money well spent, unlike Wimmer, Imbula, N'Diaye, Berahino (jury still out), Palacios...
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Aug 20, 2018 12:15:08 GMT
Going to be a good player for us in grind out a win games. A fan favourite by the end of the season. Sorry, I think that is an very optimistic hope, that is not supported by statistics or logic. He managed 99 games for the Albion, and despite his 100% effort, he was never a fan favourite and he never helped to grind out games (unless you class kicking the shit out of the opposition as acceptable). Occasionally he will make a last ditch tackle, but will go missing when his full back is being overrun.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 20, 2018 12:24:16 GMT
Going to be a good player for us in grind out a win games. A fan favourite by the end of the season. Sorry, I think that is an very optimistic hope, that is not supported by statistics or logic. He managed 99 games for the Albion, and despite his 100% effort, he was never a fan favourite and he never helped to grind out games (unless you class kicking the shit out of the opposition as acceptable). Occasionally he will make a last ditch tackle, but will go missing when his full back is being overrun.
This, and your earlier post on this thread, present a pretty balanced view and sum up my own opinion on McClean before he got to Stoke. 3 games in I see no reason to change my view; so far he has actually failed to meet even my very low expectations. He is actually more of a liability defensively than I'd anticipated. Obviously, I really hope I am wrong.
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Aug 20, 2018 12:30:54 GMT
Post by philb on Aug 20, 2018 12:30:54 GMT
Hes going to become a squad player for 5 million - tragic. You can see straight away that he will never improve the way he plays, he has not got the ability to do so. Its a downward spiral from here. Only 3 years 10 and a half months left on his contract left though! Don’t forget with 12 months to go we’ll offer him another 12 months and then another 12 months 6 months later. It’s the Stoke way 🙄
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 20, 2018 13:17:20 GMT
Many of us have seen a lot of McClean both at WBA and for ROI. His performances have only underlined the view that he is a very limited footballer. That Rowett had such a hard on for him says more about the manager than the player. Any comparison to Walters is absolutely laughable, these two players are light years apart.
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Aug 20, 2018 13:31:34 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 20, 2018 13:31:34 GMT
I will say that his crossing is pretty decent. Hes a left-footed winger on the left which is something ive wanted for ages.
The rest of his game is fairly gash and proof that modern footballers in the English leagues are athletes first and footballers second.
His Opta running stats must be pretty decent
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 20, 2018 14:30:45 GMT
I know nothing whatsoever about the 1st.or 2nd.Div. But you can bet your last penny there are better left wingers playing there who are better than McClean.
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Post by drfishy on Aug 20, 2018 14:46:35 GMT
If our team was full of pace and we wanted somebody who could "put in the hard yards" then I would be ok with him . BUT, we are most definitely not full of pace (and neither is he) and as an outlet he isn't fast enough. He can plod up and down all day long but that doesn't scare the opposition. Apart from Afobe our purchases so far have been "battlers" and "versatile" but that's about it. I know we have a lot of highly paid deadwood but it's hard to get excited about this season so far - and although Rowett talks well he does appear to either lack a plan or is alarmed that what he has planned will never be met by the players at his disposal.
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Post by albion1 on Aug 20, 2018 15:16:07 GMT
So from an Albion fans perspective he is absolutely terrible. I've seen worse players play us over the years but not many worse who played reasonably regularly in the PL for us.
As a winger he doesn't create goals and doesn't score goals. Personally I don't think he's particularly good defensively either but as he runs around a lot and puts a shift in there can sometimes be a (false) impression he is.
In 3 seasons for us he got 4 goals, 4 assists and 23 yellow cards which suggests again he is pretty poor going forward and although has plenty of effort, isn't actually a good defender.
Someone like Dwight Gayle is an excellent Championship striker who can't quite cut it in the PL as the level is higher. I'd guess Tom Ince would be another example of this type of player. McClean is not someone who is going to dramatically improve at a lower level as the attributes he does posses (running a lot) will not be more or less effective in either league and the ones that would benefit by playing against weaker players (dribbling, scoring goals, getting in goal scoring positions) he doesn't really have.
In the Championship he won't be a complete waste of space as a squad player at best, but if he started every game for you I'd wager my house he wouldn't hit double figures for goals or assists which isn't good enough for a team that (in theory at last) should be challenging at the top and be in control of the majority of games.
With the Berahino deal you guys were unlucky to an extent. There was a player in there somewhere which you took a punt on and it hasn't worked out. With McClean the performances you have seen so far are exactly what you paid the money for.
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Post by loosestools on Aug 20, 2018 15:19:57 GMT
So from an Albion fans perspective he is absolutely terrible. I've seen worse players play us over the years but not many worse who played reasonably regularly in the PL for us. As a winger he doesn't create goals and doesn't score goals. Personally I don't think he's particularly good defensively either but as he runs around a lot and puts a shift in there can sometimes be a (false) impression he is. In 3 seasons for us he got 4 goals, 4 assists and 23 yellow cards which suggests again he is pretty poor going forward and although has plenty of effort, isn't actually a good defender. Someone like Dwight Gayle is an excellent Championship striker who can't quite cut it in the PL as the level is higher. I'd guess Tom Ince would be another example of this type of player. McClean is not someone who is going to dramatically improve at a lower level as the attributes he does posses (running a lot) will not be more or less effective in either league and the ones that would benefit by playing against weaker players (dribbling, scoring goals, getting in goal scoring positions) he doesn't really have. In the Championship he won't be a complete waste of space as a squad player at best, but if he started every game for you I'd wager my house he wouldn't hit double figures for goals or assists which isn't good enough for a team that (in theory at last) should be challenging at the top and be in control of the majority of games. With the Berahino deal you guys were unlucky to an extent. There was a player in there somewhere which you took a punt on and it hasn't worked out. With McClean the performances you have seen so far are exactly what you paid the money for. Depressing reading that.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 20, 2018 15:48:17 GMT
So from an Albion fans perspective he is absolutely terrible. I've seen worse players play us over the years but not many worse who played reasonably regularly in the PL for us. As a winger he doesn't create goals and doesn't score goals. Personally I don't think he's particularly good defensively either but as he runs around a lot and puts a shift in there can sometimes be a (false) impression he is. In 3 seasons for us he got 4 goals, 4 assists and 23 yellow cards which suggests again he is pretty poor going forward and although has plenty of effort, isn't actually a good defender. Someone like Dwight Gayle is an excellent Championship striker who can't quite cut it in the PL as the level is higher. I'd guess Tom Ince would be another example of this type of player. McClean is not someone who is going to dramatically improve at a lower level as the attributes he does posses (running a lot) will not be more or less effective in either league and the ones that would benefit by playing against weaker players (dribbling, scoring goals, getting in goal scoring positions) he doesn't really have. In the Championship he won't be a complete waste of space as a squad player at best, but if he started every game for you I'd wager my house he wouldn't hit double figures for goals or assists which isn't good enough for a team that (in theory at last) should be challenging at the top and be in control of the majority of games. With the Berahino deal you guys were unlucky to an extent. There was a player in there somewhere which you took a punt on and it hasn't worked out. With McClean the performances you have seen so far are exactly what you paid the money for. Depressing reading that. Four year contract 😶
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Aug 20, 2018 15:50:39 GMT
One strange fact about JM. According to the stats, he was the fastest player in the WBA squad last season. What is not recorded is the length of the run, or the time taken to reach full speed. I suspect all the Albion players were timed after one of Tone's Austrian pre-season jaunts (possibly when carrying a sack of spuds).
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