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Post by Boothen on Aug 17, 2018 6:15:21 GMT
I fear the next town..... could be Stoke-on-Trent. I know it's happening in SOT (Tunstall/Kidsgrove areas to be precise). Not sure on what type of scale yet, but a friend told me a rather disturbing story regarding his 15 year old (at the time) daughter. That's all I'm willing to say at the moment, but I'm sure you can join the dots. It's been going on in Stoke-on-Trent since at least the 80s. There used to be two children's homes, one in West End and the other in Hartshill that quite regularly complained about Pakistani blokes driving around and harassing the girls, trying to get them in the car with drink and fags. I know for a fact that at least three girls went missing, two from one home and one from the other.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 17, 2018 6:47:02 GMT
That's because there is no worse crime than Racism (perceived or real) Young white girls being raped doesn't matter..what's important is that we protect the rights of those purile scumbags doing the raping Someone on the radio the other day said it should also be classed as a hate crime, and I agree. They aren't raping fellow Muslims, are they? Asian girls say they are also targeted, but they fear reporting attacks because of stigma...
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 17, 2018 7:02:14 GMT
Hand the Cunts over to the Army for target practice.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 17, 2018 7:05:16 GMT
Amongst others Sikh young girls were particular victims. Just a subjective view but in the 90s when I worked in Derby with , at that time, ethnic minority groups there seemed to be more " distrust and suspicion" , in fact dislike between the Sikh and Muslim community than that of the " white population" and Muslims. I don't think the two communities interacted ( as a whole) at all at that time , so simply parallel lives occurred. I think that the Sikhs knew much more. "However, there are no official statistics to support this claim, because incidents of sexual abuse featuring Sikh minors are rarely reported to the authorities. According to Det Supt David Sandall of Leicestershire Police, "when it comes to faith-based communities' sexual abuse is woefully under-reported. We know it is going on but it is difficult to launch investigations when the victims and their families are refusing to talk. "We want more victims to come forward because we are here to help." The reason Sikhs rarely reveal incidents of abuse to the authorities has to do with family honour. "Our community is very honour based," says Mohan Singh of the SAS. As part of this code of honour, virginity before marriage is held sacred by Sikhs." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23921570
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Aug 17, 2018 7:16:32 GMT
It has definitely happened in Stoke, a friend of mine told me that his missus (ex now) had told him once how a group of Asian lads that she used to hang around with had forced their way into her house when they knew that her parents were away when she was about 14/15 and took turns on her.
This was before Asian rape gangs were a well-known thing and I didn’t make the connection, I just thought that she was a bit stupid for hanging around with a bad group of lads and not going to the police after. It’s made me think since how many times it’s happened around here.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2018 7:25:07 GMT
Someone on the radio the other day said it should also be classed as a hate crime, and I agree. They aren't raping fellow Muslims, are they? Asian girls say they are also targeted, but they fear reporting attacks because of stigma... Indian girls to be precise.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Aug 17, 2018 7:27:42 GMT
Makes my fucking blood boil when the apologist snowflakes cite Catholics and CoE Paedo's, big difference is the community in general would lynch the fuckers, where as our cultural enrichers ply their filth for years undetected because their communities turn a blind eye and in many cases cover for the cunts. So sorry snowflakes, your arguments hold NO FUCKING WATER. Don’t take this as me being an Asian rape-gang apologist but this is bollocks. “Turning a blind eye” and “covering for the cunts” is exactly what I’d use to describe why thousands of kids (prepubescent boys mainly) have been abused by Catholic priests/teachers all over the country/world for so many years. The scale is absolutely fucking mind-blowing and the cover-ups (and blind-eyes) that have surfaced make my blood boil.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2018 7:40:01 GMT
Amongst others Sikh young girls were particular victims. Just a subjective view but in the 90s when I worked in Derby with , at that time, ethnic minority groups there seemed to be more " distrust and suspicion" , in fact dislike between the Sikh and Muslim community than that of the " white population" and Muslims. I don't think the two communities interacted ( as a whole) at all at that time , so simply parallel lives occurred. I think that the Sikhs knew much more. "However, there are no official statistics to support this claim, because incidents of sexual abuse featuring Sikh minors are rarely reported to the authorities. According to Det Supt David Sandall of Leicestershire Police, "when it comes to faith-based communities' sexual abuse is woefully under-reported. We know it is going on but it is difficult to launch investigations when the victims and their families are refusing to talk. "We want more victims to come forward because we are here to help." The reason Sikhs rarely reveal incidents of abuse to the authorities has to do with family honour. "Our community is very honour based," says Mohan Singh of the SAS. As part of this code of honour, virginity before marriage is held sacred by Sikhs." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23921570I made friends with a couple from Wolverhampton on holiday this year- he was Sikh and she was white. Lovely people once you can get over the Wolverhampton thing 😎 Anyway one night after a few beers the conversation moved to religion- Sikhs and Hindus don't particularly get on (he compared it to English and Scots) but they both have a deep-seated ambivalence to Muslims. They don't mix with each other and it stems from atrocities carried out during the partition of India. His dad actually drives across town to attend a non-Muslim doctor. He also said that, while there are certain rules that Sikhs have to abide by, it's nowhere near as restrictive as Islam.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 17, 2018 8:32:42 GMT
I know it's happening in SOT (Tunstall/Kidsgrove areas to be precise). Not sure on what type of scale yet, but a friend told me a rather disturbing story regarding his 15 year old (at the time) daughter. That's all I'm willing to say at the moment, but I'm sure you can join the dots. It's been going on in Stoke-on-Trent since at least the 80s. There used to be two children's homes, one in West End and the other in Hartshill that quite regularly complained about Pakistani blokes driving around and harassing the girls, trying to get them in the car with drink and fags. I know for a fact that at least three girls went missing, two from one home and one from the other. Hollybank House (closed now) off London Road. Shop on corner of Regent Street had CCTV 24/7 and showed girls getting into cars late at night/early hours and were tracked going to Manchester. And this was nearly 30 years ago. Non white males. (Hollybank House, run by the Local Authority, also owned property in nearby Shepherd Street, which was used as 'independent living' for some of the girls moving out of care. These flats were eventually closed because of complaints about drugs and prostitution. The flats were visited regularly by men described as 'Asian'. There are ongoing Police operations in Stoke on Trent regarding Muslim grooming gangs...as there has been for many years. Whether any of it will end up in court is anybodies guess.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 17, 2018 9:16:44 GMT
Makes my fucking blood boil when the apologist snowflakes cite Catholics and CoE Paedo's, big difference is the community in general would lynch the fuckers, where as our cultural enrichers ply their filth for years undetected because their communities turn a blind eye and in many cases cover for the cunts. So sorry snowflakes, your arguments hold NO FUCKING WATER. Don’t take this as me being an Asian rape-gang apologist but this is bollocks. “Turning a blind eye” and “covering for the cunts” is exactly what I’d use to describe why thousands of kids (prepubescent boys mainly) have been abused by Catholic priests/teachers all over the country/world for so many years. The scale is absolutely fucking mind-blowing and the cover-ups (and blind-eyes) that have surfaced make my blood boil. Catholic and clergy Men: women of other Christian denominations slight correction for you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 9:32:18 GMT
Makes my fucking blood boil when the apologist snowflakes cite Catholics and CoE Paedo's, big difference is the community in general would lynch the fuckers, where as our cultural enrichers ply their filth for years undetected because their communities turn a blind eye and in many cases cover for the cunts. So sorry snowflakes, your arguments hold NO FUCKING WATER. Don’t take this as me being an Asian rape-gang apologist but this is bollocks. “Turning a blind eye” and “covering for the cunts” is exactly what I’d use to describe why thousands of kids (prepubescent boys mainly) have been abused by Catholic priests/teachers all over the country/world for so many years. The scale is absolutely fucking mind-blowing and the cover-ups (and blind-eyes) that have surfaced make my blood boil. Maybe decades ago yes, but in this day and age what would any decent White person do if they thought their neighbours, friends, colleagues, even relatives were grooming kids...I know what I would do... TWAT THE CUNTS then dob them in. IT IS A FACT...When investigating The Pakistani Community on ANY crime the police are met with a wall of silence. Which is why they went undetected for so long, ruining more lives, destroying more families, they are pure evil. And so are the cunts that cover for them. And for balance so are the Catholic Priests that did exactly the shame, and the numerous football coaches, teachers, TV personalities, but they mainly did this in the 70's where it was very much a closed shop, no one covered for them, no one turned a blind eye.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Aug 17, 2018 10:08:46 GMT
Don’t take this as me being an Asian rape-gang apologist but this is bollocks. “Turning a blind eye” and “covering for the cunts” is exactly what I’d use to describe why thousands of kids (prepubescent boys mainly) have been abused by Catholic priests/teachers all over the country/world for so many years. The scale is absolutely fucking mind-blowing and the cover-ups (and blind-eyes) that have surfaced make my blood boil. Maybe decades ago yes, but in this day and age what would any decent White person do if they thought their neighbours, friends, colleagues, even relatives were grooming kids...I know what I would do... TWAT THE CUNTS then dob them in. IT IS A FACT...When investigating The Pakistani Community on ANY crime the police are met with a wall of silence. Which is why they went undetected for so long, ruining more lives, destroying more families, they are pure evil. And so are the cunts that cover for them. And for balance so are the Catholic Priests that did exactly the shame, and the numerous football coaches, teachers, TV personalities, but they mainly did this in the 70's where it was very much a closed shop, no one covered for them, no one turned a blind eye. Nah, not decades ago, those two Catholic schools that were reported on recently had been found to cover up incidents in 2010 on boys as young as 7. People in that community had put the school’s reputation over the safety of children for at least 40 years, going back to the 70’s, but I’m guessing it goes back forever. There’s a slightly different climate now with all of these huge scandals but it still feels like it isn’t big enough! Paedophiles seem to be absolutely everywhere, the scale is frightening.
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Post by Boothen on Aug 17, 2018 17:01:10 GMT
It's been going on in Stoke-on-Trent since at least the 80s. There used to be two children's homes, one in West End and the other in Hartshill that quite regularly complained about Pakistani blokes driving around and harassing the girls, trying to get them in the car with drink and fags. I know for a fact that at least three girls went missing, two from one home and one from the other. Hollybank House (closed now) off London Road. Shop on corner of Regent Street had CCTV 24/7 and showed girls getting into cars late at night/early hours and were tracked going to Manchester. And this was nearly 30 years ago. Non white males. (Hollybank House, run by the Local Authority, also owned property in nearby Shepherd Street, which was used as 'independent living' for some of the girls moving out of care. These flats were eventually closed because of complaints about drugs and prostitution. The flats were visited regularly by men described as 'Asian'. There are ongoing Police operations in Stoke on Trent regarding Muslim grooming gangs...as there has been for many years. Whether any of it will end up in court is anybodies guess. Hollybank House, that's the one. My Grandparents used to live just up from the shop on Regent Street (first of the semi-detached) and one of my best mate's parents went on to own and run that shop.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 17, 2018 17:37:00 GMT
Hollybank House (closed now) off London Road. Shop on corner of Regent Street had CCTV 24/7 and showed girls getting into cars late at night/early hours and were tracked going to Manchester. And this was nearly 30 years ago. Non white males. (Hollybank House, run by the Local Authority, also owned property in nearby Shepherd Street, which was used as 'independent living' for some of the girls moving out of care. These flats were eventually closed because of complaints about drugs and prostitution. The flats were visited regularly by men described as 'Asian'. There are ongoing Police operations in Stoke on Trent regarding Muslim grooming gangs...as there has been for many years. Whether any of it will end up in court is anybodies guess. Hollybank House, that's the one. My Grandparents used to live just up from the shop on Regent Street (first of the semi-detached) and one of my best mate's parents went on to own and run that shop. I was a Policeman in the Boothen area ( Do you know Kevin Sauntry, Hanley Youth Project/ next to the scout hut?)...and of course know of the two children's homes. As far as I recall, On my shifts I only visited Hollybank House twice...both times to deal with "troublesome/ problematic" parents of children in the home.I was not aware of any complaints about sexual behaviour involving Muslims or others, which is not to say that other Police officers did not deal with any OR perhaps some were reported to those senior to me and not acted upon. Evidence from other enquiries/ cities suggests that the approach in those days was to " blame the girls". In respect of the home at Penkhull I never went to that but much later on became good friends with a previous Rastafarian resident. Boothen, I did stumble across a greenhouse full of cannabis in the big house situated in the top left corner of the road going up from Hollybank , if you know where I mean. Unusual in those days
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Post by tribe on Aug 17, 2018 18:09:14 GMT
The sexual exploitation of underage, white (and non-white, but predominately white) girls by pakistani (and other, in particular Roma) men is occurring in every single town and city in the UK.
Between 95-98% of al sexual crimes committed, not just CSE, go unprotected due to the requirements of the British justice system and the burden of proof.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 17, 2018 18:16:53 GMT
Hollybank House, that's the one. My Grandparents used to live just up from the shop on Regent Street (first of the semi-detached) and one of my best mate's parents went on to own and run that shop. I was a Policeman in the Boothen area ( Do you know Kevin Sauntry, Hanley Youth Project/ next to the scout hut?)...and of course know of the two children's homes. As far as I recall, On my shifts I only visited Hollybank House twice...both times to deal with "troublesome/ problematic" parents of children in the home.I was not aware of any complaints about sexual behaviour involving Muslims or others, which is not to say that other Police officers did not deal with any OR perhaps some were reported to those senior to me and not acted upon. Evidence from other enquiries/ cities suggests that the approach in those days was to " blame the girls". In respect of the home at Penkhull I never went to that but much later on became good friends with a previous Rastafarian resident. Boothen, I did stumble across a greenhouse full of cannabis in the big house situated in the top left corner of the road going up from Hollybank , if you know where I mean. Unusual in those days I don't think anything from Hollybank ever got reported to the police, John. In the wake of 'Pin Down' the Local Authority (who ran the home) were very keen to avoid any more adverse publicity. There were also 'issues' at other homes in Longton (Wood Street) and Chell Heath Road at the time. Now the local authority doesn't run any childrens homes. It's all privately run. And police on The Moorlands (already stretched) know most of them..very well.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 17, 2018 18:31:42 GMT
The sexual exploitation of underage, white (and non-white, but predominately white) girls by pakistani (and other, in particular Roma) men is occurring in every single town and city in the UK. Between 95-98% of al sexual crimes committed, not just CSE, go unprotected due to the requirements of the British justice system and the burden of proof. I often wondered why these devout muslims always wish to emigrate to Christian countries , why don't these people emigrate to Egypt or Indonesia?
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Post by hoffgreen on Aug 17, 2018 19:45:07 GMT
The dancing boys of Afghanistan is an interesting if disturbing observation.....some good documentaries of it on youtube,,,,, if you are wondering of what type of culture we are importing into the west Thanks Angele and Treason May for this particular cultural enrichment
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 17, 2018 20:29:21 GMT
I was a Policeman in the Boothen area ( Do you know Kevin Sauntry, Hanley Youth Project/ next to the scout hut?)...and of course know of the two children's homes. As far as I recall, On my shifts I only visited Hollybank House twice...both times to deal with "troublesome/ problematic" parents of children in the home.I was not aware of any complaints about sexual behaviour involving Muslims or others, which is not to say that other Police officers did not deal with any OR perhaps some were reported to those senior to me and not acted upon. Evidence from other enquiries/ cities suggests that the approach in those days was to " blame the girls". In respect of the home at Penkhull I never went to that but much later on became good friends with a previous Rastafarian resident. Boothen, I did stumble across a greenhouse full of cannabis in the big house situated in the top left corner of the road going up from Hollybank , if you know where I mean. Unusual in those days I don't think anything from Hollybank ever got reported to the police, John. In the wake of 'Pin Down' the Local Authority (who ran the home) were very keen to avoid any more adverse publicity. There were also 'issues' at other homes in Longton (Wood Street) and Chell Heath Road at the time. Now the local authority doesn't run any childrens homes. It's all privately run. And police on The Moorlands (already stretched) know most of them..very well. ( as s complete aside, the mention of Chell Heath Road brings back memories of football at Sprink Bank)
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 18, 2018 8:06:45 GMT
Maybe decades ago yes, but in this day and age what would any decent White person do if they thought their neighbours, friends, colleagues, even relatives were grooming kids...I know what I would do... TWAT THE CUNTS then dob them in. IT IS A FACT...When investigating The Pakistani Community on ANY crime the police are met with a wall of silence. Which is why they went undetected for so long, ruining more lives, destroying more families, they are pure evil. And so are the cunts that cover for them. And for balance so are the Catholic Priests that did exactly the shame, and the numerous football coaches, teachers, TV personalities, but they mainly did this in the 70's where it was very much a closed shop, no one covered for them, no one turned a blind eye. Nah, not decades ago, those two Catholic schools that were reported on recently had been found to cover up incidents in 2010 on boys as young as 7. People in that community had put the school’s reputation over the safety of children for at least 40 years, going back to the 70’s, but I’m guessing it goes back forever. There’s a slightly different climate now with all of these huge scandals but it still feels like it isn’t big enough! Paedophiles seem to be absolutely everywhere, the scale is frightening. In relation to this my cousin was a catholic bishop as he worked his was up the ranks at one point he was loading with the police in relation to abuse. His take on it was that cover ups took place not just through the church but through the police and other establishments principally to avoid their involvement and investigations against them. It was a very tangled web, the point he did make which I believe is valid is that paedophies became priests not priests became paedophiles
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 18, 2018 8:17:57 GMT
I think the point that people are missing is that there is a big difference between Catholic Priests who abused children and the Jimmy Savilles of this world and Muslim grooming gangs.
Good old fashioned British nonces knew it was wrong.
Muslim gangs don't.
Females are seen as inferior to men in their religion at any age ano d as such are 'fair game'.
And that's the problem.
Their Religion legitimises the abuse.
Ours doesn't.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 18, 2018 8:54:11 GMT
I think the point that people are missing is that there is a big difference between Catholic Priests who abused children and the Jimmy Savilles of this world and Muslim grooming gangs. Good old fashioned British nonces knew it was wrong. Muslim gangs don't. Females are seen as inferior to men in their religion at any age ano d as such are 'fair game'. And that's the problem. Their Religion legitimises the abuse. Ours doesn't. It brings the whole idea of the burka into focus , this is a rule instigated by the Muslim faith i.e. By the clerics and imposed on Muslim women . The purpose of the burka is to have the women cover their hair , face , legs and arms . In short every visible piece of flesh . The purpose so I'm told is to remove temptation and provocation towards other men . What sort of mentality perceives that the sight of a woman's hair or face gives rise to irresistible temptation that requires a burka .
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 18, 2018 9:43:08 GMT
I think the point that people are missing is that there is a big difference between Catholic Priests who abused children and the Jimmy Savilles of this world and Muslim grooming gangs. Good old fashioned British nonces knew it was wrong. Muslim gangs don't. Females are seen as inferior to men in their religion at any age ano d as such are 'fair game'. And that's the problem. Their Religion legitimises the abuse. Ours doesn't. It brings the whole idea of the burka into focus , this is a rule instigated by the Muslim faith i.e. By the clerics and imposed on Muslim women . The purpose of the burka is to have the women cover their hair , face , legs and arms . In short every visible piece of flesh . The purpose so I'm told is to remove temptation and provocation towards other men . What sort of mentality perceives that the sight of a woman's hair or face gives rise to irresistible temptation that requires a burka . On a completely different level, for me, you only have to look at it and it just does not belong in developed western society....it is something that belongs to a primitive age. I believe that Christianity has had to adopt/ progress, rightly or wrongly, to modern day values. Many in the church don't really accept homosexually, civil marriage, abortion...but that's the way mainstream UK society has gone. Unfortunately in the case of Islam , for some perverse reason, we are encouraged to accept an ideology that subjugates women, opposes homosexually and possibly turns a blind eye to abuse of young white girls. I feel lucky enough to have regular one to one meetings with students of many different backgrounds ( including Jewish and Muslim....and I must say, all have been/ are brilliant) I do discuss these issues with them. One once said to me that she thinks some Muslim women wear the Burka simply to be "different" and to "wind up" the West
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 18, 2018 10:50:14 GMT
It brings the whole idea of the burka into focus , this is a rule instigated by the Muslim faith i.e. By the clerics and imposed on Muslim women . The purpose of the burka is to have the women cover their hair , face , legs and arms . In short every visible piece of flesh . The purpose so I'm told is to remove temptation and provocation towards other men . What sort of mentality perceives that the sight of a woman's hair or face gives rise to irresistible temptation that requires a burka . On a completely different level, for me, you only have to look at it and it just does not belong in developed western society....it is something that belongs to a primitive age. I believe that Christianity has had to adopt/ progress, rightly or wrongly, to modern day values. Many in the church don't really accept homosexually, civil marriage, abortion...but that's the way mainstream UK society has gone. Unfortunately in the case of Islam , for some perverse reason, we are encouraged to accept an ideology that subjugates women, opposes homosexually and possibly turns a blind eye to abuse of young white girls. I feel lucky enough to have regular one to one meetings with students of many different backgrounds ( including Jewish and Muslim....and I must say, all have been/ are brilliant) I do discuss these issues with them. One once said to me that she thinks some Muslim women wear the Burka simply to be "different" and to "wind up" the West Wind up the west john ? Don't they think they are now part of the west . Until they accept western ways and tradition they will never assimilate. What winds me up is some Muslims will never participate in our way of life . I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim, they are 2nd or 3 rd generation and are pretty liberal while still following the faith . It can be done . Our Christian way of life is incompatible with Muslim beliefs
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 18, 2018 11:17:21 GMT
On a completely different level, for me, you only have to look at it and it just does not belong in developed western society....it is something that belongs to a primitive age. I believe that Christianity has had to adopt/ progress, rightly or wrongly, to modern day values. Many in the church don't really accept homosexually, civil marriage, abortion...but that's the way mainstream UK society has gone. Unfortunately in the case of Islam , for some perverse reason, we are encouraged to accept an ideology that subjugates women, opposes homosexually and possibly turns a blind eye to abuse of young white girls. I feel lucky enough to have regular one to one meetings with students of many different backgrounds ( including Jewish and Muslim....and I must say, all have been/ are brilliant) I do discuss these issues with them. One once said to me that she thinks some Muslim women wear the Burka simply to be "different" and to "wind up" the West Wind up the west john ? Don't they think they are now part of the west . Until they accept western ways and tradition they will never assimilate. What winds me up is some Muslims will never participate in our way of life . I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim, they are 2nd or 3 rd generation and are pretty liberal while still following the faith . It can be done . Our Christian way of life is incompatible with Muslim beliefs The girl who actually said this to me was very shy, sensitive ( and kind, thoughtful) but in my opinion she knew what was" going on " . She wore a hijab but ' would not hurt a fly' herself and to the best of her ability was integrated.....she was just giving her opinion on why she thought some people wore the burqua
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Post by felonious on Aug 18, 2018 12:16:01 GMT
On a completely different level, for me, you only have to look at it and it just does not belong in developed western society....it is something that belongs to a primitive age. I believe that Christianity has had to adopt/ progress, rightly or wrongly, to modern day values. Many in the church don't really accept homosexually, civil marriage, abortion...but that's the way mainstream UK society has gone. Unfortunately in the case of Islam , for some perverse reason, we are encouraged to accept an ideology that subjugates women, opposes homosexually and possibly turns a blind eye to abuse of young white girls. I feel lucky enough to have regular one to one meetings with students of many different backgrounds ( including Jewish and Muslim....and I must say, all have been/ are brilliant) I do discuss these issues with them. One once said to me that she thinks some Muslim women wear the Burka simply to be "different" and to "wind up" the West Wind up the west john ? Don't they think they are now part of the west . Until they accept western ways and tradition they will never assimilate. What winds me up is some Muslims will never participate in our way of life . I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim, they are 2nd or 3 rd generation and are pretty liberal while still following the faith . It can be done . Our Christian way of life is incompatible with Muslim beliefs I think Harry it's the western way of life that some find incompatible. Two of the women I work with have been given low key advice from a customer who identifies as Bangladeshi British on dressing modestly bearing in mind I haven't seen so much of a whiff of cleavage or knee in some 20 years of working with them. They've also had the Bangladesh is better than here because of it's values and morals and unfortunately the disability is a punishment from God line. This man is highly articulate and highly intelligent. He presumably knows also that if you drop 4 to 6 kids the state benefits in Bangladesh aren't as favourable.
I don't get any of this idiocy from him because, being a man, I'm superior
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Post by felonious on Aug 18, 2018 12:18:31 GMT
Wind up the west john ? Don't they think they are now part of the west . Until they accept western ways and tradition they will never assimilate. What winds me up is some Muslims will never participate in our way of life . I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim, they are 2nd or 3 rd generation and are pretty liberal while still following the faith . It can be done . Our Christian way of life is incompatible with Muslim beliefs The girl who actually said this to me was very shy, sensitive ( and kind, thoughtful) but in my opinion she knew what was" going on " . She wore a hijab but ' would not hurt a fly' herself and to the best of her ability was integrated.....she was just giving her opinion on why she thought some people wore the burqua But can she choose not to wear any form of covering or would doing so subject her to sanction from her community?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 18, 2018 12:25:25 GMT
The girl who actually said this to me was very shy, sensitive ( and kind, thoughtful) but in my opinion she knew what was" going on " . She wore a hijab but ' would not hurt a fly' herself and to the best of her ability was integrated.....she was just giving her opinion on why she thought some people wore the burqua But can she choose not to wear any form of covering or would doing so subject her to sanction from her community? I don't know, that's why I said ' to the best of her ability'.....I think that there was an element of her having to conform. She seemed comfortable to wear it , but equally I don't think she would have minded not wearing it. To be honest, I can't remember this part of the conversation. She was very aware that it was an " issue".
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Post by tribe on Aug 18, 2018 12:28:39 GMT
The amount of girls who take off their hijab at school/college and doll them selves up before taking their make-up off and putting their hijab on on the bus ride home suggests it's to their own decision to wear it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 18, 2018 12:34:48 GMT
The amount of girls who take off their hijab at school/college and doll them selves up before taking their make-up off and putting their hijab on on the bus ride home suggests it's to their own decision to wear it. I thought that this would indicate that they are wearing it to conform at home, but actually don't particularly want to wear it, unless I've misunderstood you. In general I would say that most of the girls I work with are comfortable to wear the hijab. A bit converse but I did have an older student who was unncovered and yet she refused to shake my hand( just showing the complexity of what people consider to be important in respect of beliefs) One particular student that I have at present wants to run a Muslim women's fashion business and does incorporate headcovering within it...and she appears to be talented at it.
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