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Post by boothenboy75 on Jul 24, 2018 13:04:10 GMT
Will if you want to wait for the facts, wait for the facts. Don't start saying others have jumped the gun whilst doing it yourself. Me I'm happy to speculate all day long. seems that they were Eastern Europeans, probably got here with no border checks. I've always wanted more Romany gypos's in the country, helping to enrich my life. So wait, the original agenda was that this was the Religion of Peace. Now upon discovering there's a 99% chance it wasn't Muslim perpetrators, it becomes open season on immigrant bashing? This is why people think you (and by you, I mean the politics you stand for) are full of shit. For all the rational right wing thinkers who are posing legitimate questions, there are many who really have no stance other than inflammatory shit posting. Good job. Time of the month mate?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 24, 2018 13:12:05 GMT
So wait, the original agenda was that this was the Religion of Peace. Now upon discovering there's a 99% chance it wasn't Muslim perpetrators, it becomes open season on immigrant bashing? This is why people think you (and by you, I mean the politics you stand for) are full of shit. For all the rational right wing thinkers who are posing legitimate questions, there are many who really have no stance other than inflammatory shit posting. Good job. Time of the month mate? Nah. Just trying to inject a much needed bit of common sense.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jul 24, 2018 13:23:25 GMT
Nah. Just trying to inject a much needed bit of common sense. I can see that mate. Your speculating whilst rubbishing others for speculating is pure common sense. Now then further to my earlier tongue in cheek point about immigration, these cold hard facts that you are so fond of are that us throwing open our borders to Romany gypos will undoubtedly have played a part in a group of them wandering the streets of Worcester and throwing acid in s 3 year olds face. Perhaps if we’d of all listened to sir Nigel a bit more this wouldn’t of happened?
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Post by metalhead on Jul 24, 2018 13:28:08 GMT
Nah. Just trying to inject a much needed bit of common sense. I can see that mate. Your speculating whilst rubbishing others for speculating is pure common sense. Now then further to my earlier tongue in cheek point about immigration, these cold hard facts that you are so fond of are that us throwing open our borders to Romany gypos will undoubtedly have played a part in a group of them wandering the streets of Worcester and throwing acid in s 3 year olds face. Perhaps if we’d of all listened to sir Nigel a bit more this wouldn’t of happened? Sir Nigel? Is that what you call him?
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jul 24, 2018 13:29:54 GMT
I can see that mate. Your speculating whilst rubbishing others for speculating is pure common sense. Now then further to my earlier tongue in cheek point about immigration, these cold hard facts that you are so fond of are that us throwing open our borders to Romany gypos will undoubtedly have played a part in a group of them wandering the streets of Worcester and throwing acid in s 3 year olds face. Perhaps if we’d of all listened to sir Nigel a bit more this wouldn’t of happened? Sir Nigel? Is that what you call him? :D It’s what we should all call him😉
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Post by metalhead on Jul 24, 2018 13:30:32 GMT
Sir Nigel? Is that what you call him? It’s what we should all call him😉 No thanks, I'd rather not.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jul 24, 2018 13:35:23 GMT
It’s what we should all call him😉 No thanks, I'd rather not. Fair enough, free country. But if it’s good enough for Johnny major and Nick effing Clegg...
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Post by metalhead on Jul 24, 2018 13:38:48 GMT
No thanks, I'd rather not. Fair enough, free country. But if it’s good enough for Johnny major and Nick effing Clegg... Well, neither should be 'Sirs' although I'd bin the monarchy so I'd fuck off all that shit if I had a choice.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 25, 2018 7:51:53 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2018 8:39:06 GMT
Right, so they'll all be locked up. What's the big issue? Everyone jumped to conclusions that it was an Islamic gang, then it was Romanian's, now it's both. Really, it doesn't matter. They need, and will, go to jail and it's exactly where they belong. What more do you want exactly?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2018 9:23:52 GMT
Right, so they'll all be locked up. What's the big issue? Everyone jumped to conclusions that it was an Islamic gang, then it was Romanian's, now it's both. Really, it doesn't matter. They need, and will, go to jail and it's exactly where they belong. What more do you want exactly? Not necessarily to do with this incident Metal, and as a general aside I do think it is right to want to know who is coming into the country, what they are coming for , what( to a degree) they are doing, how many are coming and most importantly who decides on the best policy. That is not s right wing concept but to me is common sense. Unfortunately someone holding this belief is automatically labelled right wing and there seems to be an attempt to shut sensible discussion down .I think over the last 20 to 30 years in general we have proved to be a relatively welcoming tolerant multicultural society, but there is also a responsibility on those coming into the country to play by the rules. ( I am not saying that you are in disagreement with this by the way, I find your views considered and well thought out, in my opinion of course)
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 25, 2018 11:33:22 GMT
Right, so they'll all be locked up. What's the big issue? Everyone jumped to conclusions that it was an Islamic gang, then it was Romanian's, now it's both. Really, it doesn't matter. They need, and will, go to jail and it's exactly where they belong. What more do you want exactly? You to accept that this incident happened because the idea of retribution came from a follower of Islam who was outraged because of the teachings of Islam. A Somali asylum seeker reportedly saw his estranged without her veil so he sent/paid/asked a gang of thugs to acid her.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 25, 2018 11:50:04 GMT
Right, so they'll all be locked up. What's the big issue? Everyone jumped to conclusions that it was an Islamic gang, then it was Romanian's, now it's both. Really, it doesn't matter. They need, and will, go to jail and it's exactly where they belong. What more do you want exactly? You to accept that this incident happened because the idea of retribution came from a follower of Islam who was outraged because of the teachings of Islam. A Somali asylum seeker reportedly saw his estranged without her veil so he sent/paid/asked a gang of thugs to acid her. The beliefs of the followers of the religion of peace.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2018 14:09:08 GMT
Right, so they'll all be locked up. What's the big issue? Everyone jumped to conclusions that it was an Islamic gang, then it was Romanian's, now it's both. Really, it doesn't matter. They need, and will, go to jail and it's exactly where they belong. What more do you want exactly? Not necessarily to do with this incident Metal, and as a general aside I do think it is right to want to know who is coming into the country, what they are coming for , what( to a degree) they are doing, how many are coming and most importantly who decides on the best policy. That is not s right wing concept but to me is common sense. Unfortunately someone holding this belief is automatically labelled right wing and there seems to be an attempt to shut sensible discussion down .I think over the last 20 to 30 years in general we have proved to be a relatively welcoming tolerant multicultural society, but there is also a responsibility on those coming into the country to play by the rules. ( I am not saying that you are in disagreement with this by the way, I find your views considered and well thought out, in my opinion of course) Totally different debate but controlled immigration is absolutely essential. I don't believe closing up the borders and 'kick all the darkies out' is the solution though. I'm aware you are not proposing that either, but I think there's a fair few people who endorse that mindset. We are in the situation we are in, and all we can do is make changes going forward. I am non-partisan, I am neither left nor right, so I simply evaluate ideas on whether they are good or bad. There are plenty of reasons why uncontrolled open border immigration is a fucking horrible idea though. Hence why I will never be 'fully' left wing. Do we have any actual figures on how many don't play by the rules? I suspect such figures are almost impossible to obtain, but do we even have a rough estimate? The reason I ask is, how many should be 'expected' not to play by the rules? I mean, compared to say 'Brits abroad' who regularly cause trouble in foreign countries, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of the figures. Obviously the solution is sensible deportations and heavily controlled borders going forward. I recently saw the BBC documentary on immigration (I think it was called "Who Should Come In" and I felt they skewed it heavily to the left side of the debate. They went to a Northern City, interviewed (mostly elderly) randoms on the street, who were clearly not prepared for questions and weren't able to articulate their thoughts brilliantly. They asked "do you think we should ban immigration", to which most said "yes", only for the interviewer to shove a whole load of flash cards in their face reading things like LORRY DRIVER, MECHANIC, basically various occupations. The person interviewed would inevitably end up saying "yes, we should let lorry drivers in, yes we should let builders in" for the smug interviewer to retort "well who shouldn't we let in" and a stumped interviewee to say "oooh, err, i don't know". It's a shame a few of those cards didn't say "NON-LINGUALS", "UNEDUCATED", "CONVICT", etc etc... mind you, it was the BBC.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2018 14:17:14 GMT
Right, so they'll all be locked up. What's the big issue? Everyone jumped to conclusions that it was an Islamic gang, then it was Romanian's, now it's both. Really, it doesn't matter. They need, and will, go to jail and it's exactly where they belong. What more do you want exactly? You to accept that this incident happened because the idea of retribution came from a follower of Islam who was outraged because of the teachings of Islam. A Somali asylum seeker reportedly saw his estranged without her veil so he sent/paid/asked a gang of thugs to acid her. I accept that the incident happened because of the idea of retribution within the Koran..... but you are also aware that 'retribution' happens all around the world and not all of it is inspired by Islam? This particular brand of retribution clearly was..... I am in no doubt, that some poor women will find herself battered this evening because her fella finds out she kissed another man or something else. Retribution attacks aren't an Islam-only issue.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2018 14:19:58 GMT
There's an easy way of stopping (or at least reducing) these cowardly acid attacks and that's to increase the punishment. They'd soon stop if it meant getting life behind bars for it, if they had half a brain anyway. It's time the government or whoever's in charge of these kind of situations to sort it out because it's only going to carry on getting worse.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2018 14:20:15 GMT
You to accept that this incident happened because the idea of retribution came from a follower of Islam who was outraged because of the teachings of Islam. A Somali asylum seeker reportedly saw his estranged without her veil so he sent/paid/asked a gang of thugs to acid her. The beliefs of the followers of the religion of peace. 'And if by these things you are not turned to Me, but act with hostility against Me, then I will act with hostility against you; and I, even I, will strike you seven times for your sins. 'I will also bring upon you a sword which will execute vengeance for the covenant; and when you gather together into your cities, I will send pestilence among you, so that you shall be delivered into enemy hands.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2018 14:25:30 GMT
There's an easy way of stopping (or at least reducing) these cowardly acid attacks and that's to increase the punishment. They'd soon stop if it meant getting life behind bars for it, if they had half a brain anyway. It's time the government or whoever's in charge of these kind of situations to sort it out because it's only going to carry on getting worse. I agree, the punishments need to be stronger on acid attacks. I get the distinct impression that all too often, acid attacks are equated to things like GBH and 'a good old fashioned kicking'. They are not the same. Acid attacks are a vicious and pre-meditated form of violence. They are life changing. Changing every acid attack to an immediate GBH rather ABH or less would help. Obviously, the real issue here is Islam. In the Koran somewhere it reads "yeah and when said infidel does something against you, go get a big bottle of sulphuric acid and throw it over them. Don't forget to record the screams on your mobile phone".... and it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact the sale of certain acids has been de-regulated making them incredibly easy to obtain: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/government-acids-acid-attacks-deregulation-act-conservatives-poisons-board-a7856041.html
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 25, 2018 16:00:39 GMT
The beliefs of the followers of the religion of peace. 'And if by these things you are not turned to Me, but act with hostility against Me, then I will act with hostility against you; and I, even I, will strike you seven times for your sins. 'I will also bring upon you a sword which will execute vengeance for the covenant; and when you gather together into your cities, I will send pestilence among you, so that you shall be delivered into enemy hands. Leviticus the third book of Torah the Old Testament, not heard of any Christians still following those anarchic teachings maybe we should ! it would sort of balanc things up an eye for an eye and all that
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Post by Boothen on Jul 25, 2018 19:25:23 GMT
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Post by hoffgreen on Jul 25, 2018 20:47:25 GMT
I feel so culturally enritched by this story........ Is this what we've imported into our country.... a taxi driver.... Wasn't he a doctor ot engineer??... This story just about sums up what is happening in the real world in our towns and villages up and down the country The people have had enough......I talk to a lot of my colleagues and peers and they all say its going to be civil war.....we have had enough
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 25, 2018 20:48:47 GMT
Not necessarily to do with this incident Metal, and as a general aside I do think it is right to want to know who is coming into the country, what they are coming for , what( to a degree) they are doing, how many are coming and most importantly who decides on the best policy. That is not s right wing concept but to me is common sense. Unfortunately someone holding this belief is automatically labelled right wing and there seems to be an attempt to shut sensible discussion down .I think over the last 20 to 30 years in general we have proved to be a relatively welcoming tolerant multicultural society, but there is also a responsibility on those coming into the country to play by the rules. ( I am not saying that you are in disagreement with this by the way, I find your views considered and well thought out, in my opinion of course) Totally different debate but controlled immigration is absolutely essential. I don't believe closing up the borders and 'kick all the darkies out' is the solution though. I'm aware you are not proposing that either, but I think there's a fair few people who endorse that mindset. We are in the situation we are in, and all we can do is make changes going forward. I am non-partisan, I am neither left nor right, so I simply evaluate ideas on whether they are good or bad. There are plenty of reasons why uncontrolled open border immigration is a fucking horrible idea though. Hence why I will never be 'fully' left wing. Do we have any actual figures on how many don't play by the rules? I suspect such figures are almost impossible to obtain, but do we even have a rough estimate? The reason I ask is, how many should be 'expected' not to play by the rules? I mean, compared to say 'Brits abroad' who regularly cause trouble in foreign countries, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of the figures. Obviously the solution is sensible deportations and heavily controlled borders going forward. I recently saw the BBC documentary on immigration (I think it was called "Who Should Come In" and I felt they skewed it heavily to the left side of the debate. They went to a Northern City, interviewed (mostly elderly) randoms on the street, who were clearly not prepared for questions and weren't able to articulate their thoughts brilliantly. They asked "do you think we should ban immigration", to which most said "yes", only for the interviewer to shove a whole load of flash cards in their face reading things like LORRY DRIVER, MECHANIC, basically various occupations. The person interviewed would inevitably end up saying "yes, we should let lorry drivers in, yes we should let builders in" for the smug interviewer to retort "well who shouldn't we let in" and a stumped interviewee to say "oooh, err, i don't know". It's a shame a few of those cards didn't say "NON-LINGUALS", "UNEDUCATED", "CONVICT", etc etc... mind you, it was the BBC. Personally I don't believe that many people do want to close the borders and kick the darkies out. Can't produce the figures, but generally I think that we have been pretty tolerant, possibly too much so.I think that many have come to a realisation that we need to get a grip on what is happening in the country in respect of numbers and the pressure on resources and cultural clash/ a threat to the ' traditional culture' ( Ok , a debate in itself, but I believe that many of us growing up in the UK in the 60s to 90 did share a common culture and we have now realised that it is possibly threatened by a change in demographics) in concentrated pockets of immigrants where there has been little attempt to integrate. I think that you are completely correct about the behaviour and image of Brits abroad, whether we go back to the Colonial days or in the Spanish diaspora...... but because we behave badly abroad does not justify tolerance of different standards in this country.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 25, 2018 21:04:53 GMT
Life sentence in solitary.
If you chuck acid in someone’s face, you’re pretty much taking their life away as well, so the offender should suffer the same fate, trapped in solitary, just like their victim is now trapped in their own head because they can no longer see.
Or, chuck acid in the face of someone in the cunts family, see how they like it.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 25, 2018 21:34:40 GMT
When I was a kid, it was Worcester Sauce.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2018 22:12:14 GMT
Totally different debate but controlled immigration is absolutely essential. I don't believe closing up the borders and 'kick all the darkies out' is the solution though. I'm aware you are not proposing that either, but I think there's a fair few people who endorse that mindset. We are in the situation we are in, and all we can do is make changes going forward. I am non-partisan, I am neither left nor right, so I simply evaluate ideas on whether they are good or bad. There are plenty of reasons why uncontrolled open border immigration is a fucking horrible idea though. Hence why I will never be 'fully' left wing. Do we have any actual figures on how many don't play by the rules? I suspect such figures are almost impossible to obtain, but do we even have a rough estimate? The reason I ask is, how many should be 'expected' not to play by the rules? I mean, compared to say 'Brits abroad' who regularly cause trouble in foreign countries, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of the figures. Obviously the solution is sensible deportations and heavily controlled borders going forward. I recently saw the BBC documentary on immigration (I think it was called "Who Should Come In" and I felt they skewed it heavily to the left side of the debate. They went to a Northern City, interviewed (mostly elderly) randoms on the street, who were clearly not prepared for questions and weren't able to articulate their thoughts brilliantly. They asked "do you think we should ban immigration", to which most said "yes", only for the interviewer to shove a whole load of flash cards in their face reading things like LORRY DRIVER, MECHANIC, basically various occupations. The person interviewed would inevitably end up saying "yes, we should let lorry drivers in, yes we should let builders in" for the smug interviewer to retort "well who shouldn't we let in" and a stumped interviewee to say "oooh, err, i don't know". It's a shame a few of those cards didn't say "NON-LINGUALS", "UNEDUCATED", "CONVICT", etc etc... mind you, it was the BBC. Personally I don't believe that many people do want to close the borders and kick the darkies out. Can't produce the figures, but generally I think that we have been pretty tolerant, possibly too much so.I think that many have come to a realisation that we need to get a grip on what is happening in the country in respect of numbers and the pressure on resources and cultural clash/ a threat to the ' traditional culture' ( Ok , a debate in itself, but I believe that many of us growing up in the UK in the 60s to 90 did share a common culture and we have now realised that it is possibly threatened by a change in demographics) in concentrated pockets of immigrants where there has been little attempt to integrate. I think that you are completely correct about the behaviour and image of Brits abroad, whether we go back to the Colonial days or in the Spanish diaspora...... but because we behave badly abroad does not justify tolerance of different standards in this country. I grew up in the 90s and I do agree, there was certainly a British culture that has been somewhat erased.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 26, 2018 5:24:32 GMT
So a 3 year old child gets acid thrown in its face because it's mother isn't wearing a veil?
Fuck me, what is happening in this country?
This isn't a one-off it's becoming common place especially in London.
All decent people will be outraged by this.
Rightly so.
Absolute scum.
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