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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 19, 2018 16:11:42 GMT
I think it’s the other way round.
People think we’ve been relegated to the north west counties pub league.
I watched quite a bit of the championship last season and it was a better spectacle than most of the premier league games.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 19, 2018 16:25:15 GMT
The good news is the board seem to be prepared to pick up the bill for the last few seasons woeful recruitment, thankfully. I’m not fearing a double relegation now. I think. Were not getting relegated again, even benjaminbiscuit has turned his frown upside down!
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Post by smatty88 on Jun 19, 2018 16:30:54 GMT
I'm actually looking forward to the new season, hopefully winning games and being at the top end of the table rather than struggling down the other end like we have been the last 2 seasons.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 19, 2018 17:34:34 GMT
I'm actually looking forward to the new season, hopefully winning games and being at the top end of the table rather than struggling down the other end like we have been the last 2 seasons. Where are you ultimately going with this line of thinking? Do you want us to be at, or near the top of the table in the Championship, or nowhere near the top of the table in the Premiership because that's exactly where we'll always end up if we get promoted? It we get to the play off final, would you want us to lose, so that we would have happier time of it in the Championship the following season, than we would have if we were promoted to the Premiership?
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Post by smatty88 on Jun 19, 2018 17:45:13 GMT
I'm actually looking forward to the new season, hopefully winning games and being at the top end of the table rather than struggling down the other end like we have been the last 2 seasons. Where are you ultimately going with this line of thinking? Do you want us to be at, or near the top of the table in the Championship, or nowhere near the top of the table in the Premiership because that's exactly where we'll always end up if we get promoted? It we get to the play off final, would you want us to lose, so that we would have happier time of it in the Championship the following season, than we would have if we were promoted to the Premiership? What I'm hoping is that getting into a habit of winning games will give the team confidence so when (and I hope this season) we get promoted we can take that confidence into the Prem. We got into the habit of losing games and towards the end of Hughes losing fight we got the fight back under Lambert but not the confidence.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 19, 2018 17:57:09 GMT
Where are you ultimately going with this line of thinking? Do you want us to be at, or near the top of the table in the Championship, or nowhere near the top of the table in the Premiership because that's exactly where we'll always end up if we get promoted? It we get to the play off final, would you want us to lose, so that we would have happier time of it in the Championship the following season, than we would have if we were promoted to the Premiership? What I'm hoping is that getting into a habit of winning games will give the team confidence so when (and I hope this season) we get promoted we can take that confidence into the Prem. We got into the habit of losing games and towards the end of Hughes losing fight we got the fight back under Lambert but not the confidence. Teams who get promoted are routinely, pretty much favourites to get relegated the following season. The "confidence" of the promotion doesn't count for shit, we're talking about the reality of the situation. I wish people would stop trying to spin relegation as some sort of good outcome for us. We got relegated, it' absolutely NOT a positive for the club. Hopefully we can get back up as soon as possible but I bet you there were Leeds (and several more) fans attempting to spin that "relegation was just what the club needed" at the time. It wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 18:22:36 GMT
What I'm hoping is that getting into a habit of winning games will give the team confidence so when (and I hope this season) we get promoted we can take that confidence into the Prem. We got into the habit of losing games and towards the end of Hughes losing fight we got the fight back under Lambert but not the confidence. Teams who get promoted are routinely, pretty much favourites to get relegated the following season. The "confidence" of the promotion doesn't count for shit, we're talking about the reality of the situation. I wish people would stop trying to spin relegation as some sort of good outcome for us. We got relegated, it' absolutely NOT a positive for the club. Hopefully we can get back up as soon as possible but I bet you there were Leeds (and several more) fans attempting to spin that "relegation was just what the club needed" at the time. It wasn't. I''m going to enjoy this season and thus far I'm enjoying relegation, it's not really a conscious or logical decision but I'm having a decent time of it and I'm not going to look for reasons for that to change
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Post by smatty88 on Jun 19, 2018 18:31:33 GMT
What I'm hoping is that getting into a habit of winning games will give the team confidence so when (and I hope this season) we get promoted we can take that confidence into the Prem. We got into the habit of losing games and towards the end of Hughes losing fight we got the fight back under Lambert but not the confidence. Teams who get promoted are routinely, pretty much favourites to get relegated the following season. The "confidence" of the promotion doesn't count for shit, we're talking about the reality of the situation. I wish people would stop trying to spin relegation as some sort of good outcome for us. We got relegated, it' absolutely NOT a positive for the club. Hopefully we can get back up as soon as possible but I bet you there were Leeds (and several more) fans attempting to spin that "relegation was just what the club needed" at the time. It wasn't. I was gutted we went down but I've now drawn a line under it as it can't be changed, we've now got to make the best out of a bad situation. I don't want to think about the Leeds (crazy club) of this world, I'd rather focus on the Burnley's and the Newcastle's and follow what they did. Still got lots of work to do on the squad but the early deals, both in and out have been positive.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jun 19, 2018 18:34:22 GMT
The premier league isn’t the be all and end all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 19, 2018 18:57:51 GMT
Teams who get promoted are routinely, pretty much favourites to get relegated the following season. The "confidence" of the promotion doesn't count for shit, we're talking about the reality of the situation. I wish people would stop trying to spin relegation as some sort of good outcome for us. We got relegated, it' absolutely NOT a positive for the club. Hopefully we can get back up as soon as possible but I bet you there were Leeds (and several more) fans attempting to spin that "relegation was just what the club needed" at the time. It wasn't. I''m going to enjoy this season and thus far I'm enjoying relegation, it's not really a conscious or logical decision but I'm having a decent time of it and I'm not going to look for reasons for that to change So you wouldn't have enjoyed next season if we hadn't been relegated? Come on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 19, 2018 19:03:30 GMT
We've done nothing yet.
What we've done so far has been good but it means very little really.
We haven't got a clue how anything is going to pan out.
So far so good but we've still got a massive journey ahead of us and it's not going to be easy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 19, 2018 19:05:31 GMT
Teams who get promoted are routinely, pretty much favourites to get relegated the following season. The "confidence" of the promotion doesn't count for shit, we're talking about the reality of the situation. I wish people would stop trying to spin relegation as some sort of good outcome for us. We got relegated, it' absolutely NOT a positive for the club. Hopefully we can get back up as soon as possible but I bet you there were Leeds (and several more) fans attempting to spin that "relegation was just what the club needed" at the time. It wasn't. I was gutted we went down but I've now drawn a line under it as it can't be changed, we've now got to make the best out of a bad situation. I don't want to think about the Leeds (crazy club) of this world, I'd rather focus on the Burnley's and the Newcastle's and follow what they did. Still got lots of work to do on the squad but the early deals, both in and out have been positive. Yeah, that's what I just said. It wasn't me attempting to spin relegation in to being some sort of a benefit to us. We need to man up, accept it for what it is and not try to pretend it's something which it isn't.
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Post by burberrybassist on Jun 19, 2018 19:07:14 GMT
I''m going to enjoy this season and thus far I'm enjoying relegation, it's not really a conscious or logical decision but I'm having a decent time of it and I'm not going to look for reasons for that to change So you wouldn't have enjoyed next season if we hadn't been relegated? Come on. If it was a repeat of the last couple of seasons then no, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it personally!
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Post by surreystokie on Jun 19, 2018 19:07:21 GMT
Teams promoted to the PL are indeed favourites to go diown. And sharpish. But it didn’t happen last season did it? And why? Because there was so much rubbish competing for relegation. And that means that they may not all three be relegated next time around. Plus can you imagine Cardiff or Fulham as certs to stay up? It will be the ambitious who remain, not those who are happy with their aspirations to finish in17th place.
What angered me and still does, is that it was an embarrassment to let financially poor clubs, relatively speaking, make fools of us. Did anyone on here think that we could not do better than BHA, Huddersfield or Newcastle United, the latter with their fool of an owner trying to copy Sunderland’s then owner?!
So it should not be impossible for us to get promoted and to remain in the PL. But it won’t be easy, although we are showing signs of having learned a few lessons which will inspire supporters who must get behind them as never before.
We will have new players and a surprisingly re-signed one in Joe, ready to start in the pre-season training sessions and when did that happen last?
I am hoping that im this my 70th season, I can start to enjoy supporting the lads once more, though that is not only for selfish reasons. It will be a blessing for the City, a return to work for those who have lost their jobs at the club and a continuation of enthusiasm for the under 7’s with whom the club has worked so hard. It is the present which will consolidate the future and these next two seasons are pivotal .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 19:09:25 GMT
I''m going to enjoy this season and thus far I'm enjoying relegation, it's not really a conscious or logical decision but I'm having a decent time of it and I'm not going to look for reasons for that to change So you wouldn't have enjoyed next season if we hadn't been relegated? Come on. I wouldn't be anywhere near as excited as I am now, we're addressing things right now we wouldn't have been addressing had we stayed up. Change is exciting, and we are seeing a lot of change
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 19, 2018 19:15:56 GMT
So you wouldn't have enjoyed next season if we hadn't been relegated? Come on. If it was a repeat of the last couple of seasons then no, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it personally! Well your expectations are probably too high then and we're back to the point I made earlier ... would you prefer to be at, or near the top of the table in the Championship or nowhere near the top of the table in the Premiership?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 19, 2018 19:20:01 GMT
So you wouldn't have enjoyed next season if we hadn't been relegated? Come on. I wouldn't be anywhere near as excited as I am now, we're addressing things right now we wouldn't have been addressing had we stayed up. Change is exciting, and we are seeing a lot of change We've changed the manager and we're buying and selling some players. I made the point earlier ... that if Hughes had done just enough to stay up and we'd survived by a point, then there's every chance that we'd STILL have changed the manager and bought and sold some players. Bugger all to do with relegation.
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Post by burberrybassist on Jun 19, 2018 19:27:38 GMT
If it was a repeat of the last couple of seasons then no, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed it personally! Well your expectations are probably too high then and we're back to the point I made earlier ... would you prefer to be at, or near the top of the table in the Championship or nowhere near the top of the table in the Premiership? No matter what league we play, I feel that I just want my team to compete. My issue with the last 2 seasons was the absolute toothless displays and the complete lack of entertainment on the pitch. Even when we were finishing bottom half of the table in the Prem we were still playing some great matches and beating some top teams. As a team we just lost that "spark" and no matter how next season goes it'd just be nice to have it back.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 19, 2018 19:30:14 GMT
The good news is the board seem to be prepared to pick up the bill for the last few seasons woeful recruitment, thankfully. I’m not fearing a double relegation now. I think. Were not getting relegated again, even benjaminbiscuit has turned his frown upside down! Brilliant Duncan , but lest we forget optimistic as it’s looking that bad boy croc never ever goes away if you take your eye off the ball , get a bit complacent ! Wham your in his Jaws and the death role is on , but right now he has others in his sights, Weaker and more vulnerable and long may it continue 😀
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 19, 2018 20:59:31 GMT
Obviously we never wanted to go down. It was never in the plan but positivity is absolutely rife at the moment. Season ticket sales look largely unaffected. We've signed two players we'd have been happy with if we were still in the premiership. A crowd favourite has resigned. We're getting rid of the bad apples and slashing some fat off the wage bill, and should see others going more easily because their wages would have dropped as a result of relegation. The overhaul we've needed is seemingly so much easier now. The club is making strong statements and the manager choice seems largely universally liked. What's happened to our club? Everything is looking positive. There's nowhere near as much division on the terraces like there has been over managers for most of my lifetime. Maybe getting relegated was exactly what we needed...? I don't bet usually, I've already got more vices than I need so that's one I've gone without. I am going to lump some money on us taking the title though. What is there to stop us? UTMP! M Yep, very positive and as you say a lot of fans seem happy with GR so hopefully good times ahead
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