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Post by murphthesurf on Feb 25, 2019 11:37:59 GMT
I think it's meant to describe Demonic ie non human and certainly non benevolent entities that assume the appearance and demeanour of a deceased human, usually a loved one 'familiar' to the witness. I'm on the fence with that one myself. Oh, right............. thx, Trenty...........I see what you mean, and I'm with you about being undecided.
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Feb 25, 2019 11:45:13 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 25, 2019 11:45:13 GMT
I think it's meant to describe Demonic ie non human and certainly non benevolent entities that assume the appearance and demeanour of a deceased human, usually a loved one 'familiar' to the witness. I'm on the fence with that one myself. Oh, right............. thx, Trenty...........I see what you mean, and I'm with you about being undecided. l I think you might enjoy the YouTube channel I recommended a few posts back; Afterlife Topics And Metaphysics. There is some really interesting, original content on it too 😎😎
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 12:27:32 GMT
Indeed it does and I’ve absolutely no doubt this is the Truth. Recent events in my own life have certainly confirmed this to me. As for mediums, well I’d suggest reading about ‘familiar spirits’. It may seem harmless fun but there really is a darker side to it all. I don’t care if people mock me for my belief in God, everyone has to make their own choice but for me it’s become a very real relationship. The more I read and study God’s word the more I understand of the spiritual world. I’ll never grasp it all but I’ve a much clearer picture of what’s going on now. Great post. Serious question: Re. 'familiar spirits'........... I haven't read any history for ages & ages about centuries-old 'Witch Trials' (either UK or Salem, etc.), but if, say, an elderly person was accused of being a witch and they happened to have a pet black cat --- or it was claimed that they had made a pet of a wild black.... bird, ie. I think it was usually a jackdaw or a raven --- or similar sorts of creatures, the creature was known as 'a familiar'. Ie. 'a familiar' was claimed to be a witch's tool to enable her/him to cast evil spells. So is there a connection to the phrase? Or how should 'familiar spirits' be defined? Would appreciate any views / input. Thx. The post above answers it really. Some spirits will familiarise themselves with someone you knew, knowing everything about them and their lives. This is the problem behind mediums. They, and indeed you assume that the message coming through is from ‘uncle Jack’ as only uncle Jack could possibly know that information. The reality is it isn’t uncle Jack at all but a devious spirit. The person seeking a contact generally goes home happy with the news, convincingly tells the tale to others and then books another appointment along with a couple of their friends all seeking long lost relatives. Where’s the harm if the person is happier at the news ? The spiritual realm is a battlefield, some good some bad. The good are working for God, the bad Gods enemy. These familiar spirits can trick you and lure you away from God. It’s subtle but effective. God warns us not to get involved. There’s no middle ground, stand for God or stand against Him, there’s your choice. Putting your faith and hope in a medium, however comforting it may seem, is against God’s laws. Everyone has to choose. I’ve made my choice for Jesus and I’ll stand by that 👍
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Post by stokieinaus on Feb 25, 2019 14:28:02 GMT
Is one born a medium or does one become a medium?
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Post by lordb on Feb 25, 2019 14:36:18 GMT
Good argument. In our case we found out about the death in the house and previous reported 'happenings' AFTER we had experiences of our own. Very interesting indeed, but we've all heard of ghosts and potential paranormal activity so already there is a confirmation bias in our heads to begin with. Not that I'm doubting your experiences, I'm sure it's pretty harrowing if it's ghosts or the brain to be honest! I suppose a the only control you could have for this is if the person in question somehow doesn't know what a ghost is. Which obviously, isn't exactly feasible. I know it sounds like the traditional skeptic's argument, but neuroscience does reveal some absolutely stunning things which defy rational explanation. Phantom limb pain for instance is arguably the most bizarre phenomenon in existence and defies all normal physiology. We also don't fully understand the role of all neurons in the nervous system yet, mirror neurons (the nerves that let us copy an action performed in front of us) are very curious indeed. It was poltergeist activity,included windows being open)shut rapidly, doors being locked/unlocked when key is elsewhere and so on. Completely agree with what you are saying about the brain however just because that is the case doesn't mean that's what's happening on each occasion. Bit like mediums really, just because some are charlatans doesn't mean they all are.
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Feb 25, 2019 14:37:46 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 25, 2019 14:37:46 GMT
Great post. Serious question: Re. 'familiar spirits'........... I haven't read any history for ages & ages about centuries-old 'Witch Trials' (either UK or Salem, etc.), but if, say, an elderly person was accused of being a witch and they happened to have a pet black cat --- or it was claimed that they had made a pet of a wild black.... bird, ie. I think it was usually a jackdaw or a raven --- or similar sorts of creatures, the creature was known as 'a familiar'. Ie. 'a familiar' was claimed to be a witch's tool to enable her/him to cast evil spells. So is there a connection to the phrase? Or how should 'familiar spirits' be defined? Would appreciate any views / input. Thx. The post above answers it really. Some spirits will familiarise themselves with someone you knew, knowing everything about them and their lives. This is the problem behind mediums. They, and indeed you assume that the message coming through is from ‘uncle Jack’ as only uncle Jack could possibly know that information. The reality is it isn’t uncle Jack at all but a devious spirit. The person seeking a contact generally goes home happy with the news, convincingly tells the tale to others and then books another appointment along with a couple of their friends all seeking long lost relatives. Where’s the harm if the person is happier at the news ? The spiritual realm is a battlefield, some good some bad. The good are working for God, the bad Gods enemy. These familiar spirits can trick you and lure you away from God. It’s subtle but effective. God warns us not to get involved. There’s no middle ground, stand for God or stand against Him, there’s your choice. Putting your faith and hope in a medium, however comforting it may seem, is against God’s laws. Everyone has to choose. I’ve made my choice for Jesus and I’ll stand by that 👍 Good luck to you. However do you have to choose? I choose not to choose. Keeping options open.
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Feb 25, 2019 14:57:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 14:57:57 GMT
The post above answers it really. Some spirits will familiarise themselves with someone you knew, knowing everything about them and their lives. This is the problem behind mediums. They, and indeed you assume that the message coming through is from ‘uncle Jack’ as only uncle Jack could possibly know that information. The reality is it isn’t uncle Jack at all but a devious spirit. The person seeking a contact generally goes home happy with the news, convincingly tells the tale to others and then books another appointment along with a couple of their friends all seeking long lost relatives. Where’s the harm if the person is happier at the news ? The spiritual realm is a battlefield, some good some bad. The good are working for God, the bad Gods enemy. These familiar spirits can trick you and lure you away from God. It’s subtle but effective. God warns us not to get involved. There’s no middle ground, stand for God or stand against Him, there’s your choice. Putting your faith and hope in a medium, however comforting it may seem, is against God’s laws. Everyone has to choose. I’ve made my choice for Jesus and I’ll stand by that 👍 Good luck to you. However do you have to choose? I choose not to choose. Keeping options open. By choosing not to choose you’ve already made a choice 😉 There’s always time to change your option. How much time you have...well you just don’t know.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 25, 2019 15:19:49 GMT
Is one born a medium or does one become a medium? I was born baby-size. Went through 'medium' when I was about 10. Eleven to about nineteen was thin and lanky, and have been working towards my current XL ever since. The days of Medium seem a long time ago but I'd like to become one again if it were possible.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 25, 2019 22:12:11 GMT
Here's an interesting video apparently this lady has been doing this work under the radar for many years now
This one might tie in with the idea discussed earlier regarding somewhat darker forces
And here is one addressing the fake medium angle and the dangers of throwing the proverbial Babe out of the bath
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 25, 2019 22:59:52 GMT
Sorry, mate, but that's all pure speculation. You're talking about these things as though you know them as facts. You don't and they aren't. Descartes speculated about "the ghost in the machine" centuries ago. Centuries before that we had the creation of the world's major religions, each telling us about the afterlife, how to get there and who would get there. They all contradict each other. During the 19th century alone there was the creation of many more religions and beliefs about the afterlife. Guess what? They're all speculating too. It's a fascinating subject alright, but wholeheartedly agreeing with something doesn't make it true. You're right, I got a bit carried away, but I've been there so many times so it's easily done. Here you mention religion. I have another answer about them than yours. In what way do you think they contradict each other? Fair question. I'm by no means a religious expert, but my understanding of the three main religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - is that they are all Abrahamic religions in that they all adopted Abraham's view that there is only one God. But they don't share the same holy book. Each religion has its own holy book. Even then, there are different factions within each religion, each believing that theirs is the correct way to worship their God. They have a long history of engaging in inter-religious and factional warfare because each religion or faction is convinced that they're right and everybody else is wrong. More specifically, as an example, look at the way each religion views Christ. The Christians think he is the son of God, but the Jews and the Muslims don't. The Muslim view is that Christ was one of a series of prophets, the final prophet being Mohammed. In short, if they didn't have contradictory views, then there wouldn't be the need for three separate religions (and multiple factions) to worship what they would all agree is the one and only God. If I'm wrong on any of this I'm sure someone who knows more about religion can put us right.
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Feb 25, 2019 23:38:40 GMT
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Post by musik on Feb 25, 2019 23:38:40 GMT
You're right, I got a bit carried away, but I've been there so many times so it's easily done. Here you mention religion. I have another answer about them than yours. In what way do you think they contradict each other? Fair question. I'm by no means a religious expert, but my understanding of the three main religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - is that they are all Abrahamic religions in that they all adopted Abraham's view that there is only one God. But they don't share the same holy book. Each religion has its own holy book. Even then, there are different factions within each religion, each believing that theirs is the correct way to worship their God. They have a long history of engaging in inter-religious and factional warfare because each religion or faction is convinced that they're right and everybody else is wrong. More specifically, as an example, look at the way each religion views Christ. The Christians think he is the son of God, but the Jews and the Muslims don't. The Muslim view is that Christ was one of a series of prophets, the final prophet being Mohammed. In short, if they didn't have contradictory views, then there wouldn't be the need for three separate religions (and multiple factions) to worship what they would all agree is the one and only God. If I'm wrong on any of this I'm sure someone who knows more about religion can put us right. Ok, I see. And I agree, of course there are differences between the religions if you apply a human perspective on them. And that's also why each one of the followers fight for "their" specific religion/view. My view is there is only one God and he has always shown himself in different ways. I always try to put myself in another perspective to understand things.
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Feb 26, 2019 12:15:51 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 26, 2019 12:15:51 GMT
Fair question. I'm by no means a religious expert, but my understanding of the three main religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - is that they are all Abrahamic religions in that they all adopted Abraham's view that there is only one God. But they don't share the same holy book. Each religion has its own holy book. Even then, there are different factions within each religion, each believing that theirs is the correct way to worship their God. They have a long history of engaging in inter-religious and factional warfare because each religion or faction is convinced that they're right and everybody else is wrong. More specifically, as an example, look at the way each religion views Christ. The Christians think he is the son of God, but the Jews and the Muslims don't. The Muslim view is that Christ was one of a series of prophets, the final prophet being Mohammed. In short, if they didn't have contradictory views, then there wouldn't be the need for three separate religions (and multiple factions) to worship what they would all agree is the one and only God. If I'm wrong on any of this I'm sure someone who knows more about religion can put us right. Ok, I see. And I agree, of course there are differences between the religions if you apply a human perspective on them. And that's also why each one of the followers fight for "their" specific religion/view. My view is there is only one God and he has always shown himself in different ways. I always try to put myself in another perspective to understand things. I was always a sucker for the Greek Gods. What a motley bunch of twats 😁😁👍
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 27, 2019 17:59:53 GMT
Ok, I see. And I agree, of course there are differences between the religions if you apply a human perspective on them. And that's also why each one of the followers fight for "their" specific religion/view. My view is there is only one God and he has always shown himself in different ways. I always try to put myself in another perspective to understand things. I was always a sucker for the Greek Gods. What a motley bunch of twats 😁😁👍 There was a God for everything they didn't understand. Modern Greeks have looked at our squad, our unexpected relegation, unprecedented changes of manager, tens of millions wasted and decided to create a God of Farce.
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Feb 27, 2019 18:43:37 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 27, 2019 18:43:37 GMT
Glad to see this thread hasn't crossed over yet!!
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Post by tylerdurden on Feb 27, 2019 19:35:28 GMT
There's an obvious reason why nobody has won the $1 million James Randi prize... this⬆️⬆️⬆️
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Post by musik on Mar 2, 2019 17:38:05 GMT
I'll get the chance to see more vids next week.
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 3, 2019 13:20:28 GMT
I'll get the chance to see more vids next week. The Emperor is awaiting my report😎
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Post by musik on Mar 7, 2019 21:16:26 GMT
Hmm. Just a short review of the two vids (1) Sonia Rinaldi and (2) Are all psychics fake?
It's an interest subject this, but I wonder - Cyrus K doesn't say he's had any after death experience/s for himself, but at the same talks about having "out of body experiences" - so I wonder, what are those and how did it happen?
I find it a bit hard to believe there's a way to capture any dead people on picture. I believe death people can be in contact with the living people they belong to, but most likely shown/in contact only to them (and ok then, possibly to a medium), but not to strangers, not to just anyone. How were these "pictures" made anyway? I didn't understand that.
I like his attempt to reach for science, I always do. However, I think he's a bit off the track when he says some with after death experiences often repeats stuff, like the light and such things. Cyrus maybe should consider it might not be many ways to die, maybe the light is always there - more or less. Since he has no such experience, according to himself, how can he say who is wrong?
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Post by musik on Mar 7, 2019 21:18:51 GMT
There was a God for everything they didn't understand. Hehe. If so, then they were not gods.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2019 21:46:21 GMT
Mind them mediums. I watched Hereditary last night, whilst MrsBath was at work & the kids in bed 💀👻👹😱
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 8, 2019 19:09:05 GMT
Hmm. Just a short review of the two vids (1) Sonia Rinaldi and (2) Are all psychics fake? It's an interest subject this, but I wonder - Cyrus K doesn't say he's had any after death experience/s for himself, but at the same talks about having "out of body experiences" - so I wonder, what are those and how did it happen? I find it a bit hard to believe there's a way to capture any dead people on picture. I believe death people can be in contact with the living people they belong to, but most likely shown/in contact only to them (and ok then, possibly to a medium), but not to strangers, not to just anyone. How were these "pictures" made anyway? I didn't understand that. I like his attempt to reach for science, I always do. However, I think he's a bit off the track when he says some with after death experiences often repeats stuff, like the light and such things. Cyrus maybe should consider it might not be many ways to die, maybe the light is always there - more or less. Since he has no such experience, according to himself, how can he say who is wrong? I'd recommend starting with the earliest vids first, it's helpful to understand where he's coming from with the whole astral projection stuff😁
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 9, 2019 15:59:21 GMT
Mind them mediums. I watched Hereditary last night, whilst MrsBath was at work & the kids in bed 💀👻👹😱 is it really that scary? I haven't been scared since I watched The Shining back in late 80s/early 90s😳😳
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 9, 2019 16:25:42 GMT
Mind them mediums. I watched Hereditary last night, whilst MrsBath was at work & the kids in bed 💀👻👹😱 is it really that scary? I haven't been scared since I watched The Shining back in late 80s/early 90s😳😳 It’s not a million miles away from Shining, but not as good(I once had a nightmare I was Jack!)
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 10, 2019 13:54:21 GMT
I'll put it on my list to try😎
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 11:36:02 GMT
I believe in all this stuff and I have reasons to do so.. mainly fortune tellers or whatever they’re called things that have been said to family members about me which have been true or come true. 2005 I think it was I was only young still in high school anyway, I’d blagged a day off school so I could watch the cricket as I lay in front the telly pretending I was ill I saw something/someone in the corner of my eye I turned quick but no one was there I went into my mum in the kitchen I admit I was shitting myself and said “mum I’ve just seen someone in the living room” and my mum said “oh you’re probably seeing things because you’re ill” but I’m thinking to myself I’m not ill anyway a few weeks later my mum went to see a fortune teller and he said to her “your son has seen your nan recently and you’ve dismissed him” gods honest truth! Another one my lady’s mum went see one she never believed in anything like this and was very sceptical about it all. Anyway when my lady’s nan died she left her wedding ring to my lady’s mum who wears it all the time. Anyway, it comes to the day of the reading and my lady’s mum said I’m going take my rings off so they can’t say I’m married etc she toyed with the idea and in the end decided keep her wedding ring and her mother’s wedding ring on. When she got into the reading the women said to her “you’ve made a big decision today you’ve done the right thing” so my lady’s mum was thinking what will that be and she said “you weren’t going wear your rings were you and one of them is your mothers wedding ring, you’ve done the right thing wearing them” Like how would a random women pick this up like? My lady’s mum isn’t on Facebook or anything like that so it’s literally the first time they’ve ever met there’s been no way of getting any information etc. I just thought it was brilliant and that’s why I believe that some people can see things others can’t. Wow. That's reminded me of a school friend I had when we were about 11, and I'll always remember her telling me that when she'd been hardly more than a toddler - (who therefore didn't know many words & was still learning) - she'd often go into one of the bedrooms of their large and very old family home and would then go to her parents and simply say "soldier". When they asked her what she meant she took them to the room and she pointed to an empty corner of it and repeated "soldier" - nothing else. They didn't tell her until she was much older that decades ago the room had belonged to (I think it was) her great-grandfather, who had died many years before but had fought in the First World War. Apparently when she was very young she always 'saw' a man in WWI uniform 'standing' in that corner. She obviously told me this story yonks ago & I've probably remembered it so vividly because it was clearly true and so had freaked me out quite a lot. We were friends for many, many years and so I went to their house a lot, but I can honestly say the place always gave me the creeps. BUMP............. although there's still no mention of the ghost in Eccleshall.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 11:38:06 GMT
once did a ouija board with a few blokes when in the RN, i thought somebody was pushing the glass around so asked it to spell my mums maiden name, it did, nobody could have known that, we threw the glass out of the window I completely believe every word of that, Northy, because exactly the same thing (etc.) happened to me many times and anyone who accuses you of 'pushing the glass' owes you a HUGE APOLOGY.And bump again.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 12, 2019 11:46:59 GMT
Are these 'Bumps', going bump in the night?
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 12:00:16 GMT
Are these 'Bumps', going bump in the night? Well, they might be in about another 12 hours, Yoky........
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 12:26:52 GMT
There used to be a Spiritualist Church in Fenton that I went to with my dad a couple of times about 35 years ago, just to have a look at it. Perhaps it’s still there? Some of what was said was vague enough to apply to just about anyone, but they did seem to say the occasional thing to the occasional person which seemed to be on a slightly ‘deeper’ level. I've got an eclectic lot in my past, but I'd love to have a chat with the one that signed Charles 1st death warrant. Come in, please, Chuff:
Chuff, this is a totally serious question --- do you know if, after the Monarchy was restored with Charles II, your relative was ever pursued at all? I was reading about this a few weeks ago and obviously recalled you mentioning on here in the past your own family member's involvement & him having signed the warrant. I ask as under Charles II there was a huge exercise undertaken whereby all the signatories on his father Charles I's death warrant were ruthlessly pursued and, where possible, arrested and executed. Just wondering if your family's chap was involved….. and if he was……… eeeeeewwwwww. And condolences!
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Post by chuffedstokie on Dec 12, 2019 12:51:13 GMT
I've got an eclectic lot in my past, but I'd love to have a chat with the one that signed Charles 1st death warrant. Come in, please, Chuff:
Chuff, this is a totally serious question --- do you know if, after the Monarchy was restored with Charles II, your relative was ever pursued at all? I was reading about this a few weeks ago and obviously recalled you mentioning on here in the past your own family member's involvement & him having signed the warrant. I ask as under Charles II there was a huge exercise undertaken whereby all the signatories on his father Charles I's death warrant were ruthlessly pursued and, where possible, arrested and executed. Just wondering if your family's chap was involved….. and if he was……… eeeeeewwwwww. And condolences! He wasn't one of the ones dug up or pursued murph but he was a regicide. His name was Sir Richard Deane, Cromwell's right hand man. He's worth looking up if only for another brief read. My mum was a Deane, all the family from Norton. That side is all traced back to the first continental invaders,650bc or whenever it was. Fascinating stuff.
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