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Feb 23, 2019 1:26:37 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 23, 2019 1:26:37 GMT
Interesting points you make there! If your interested, Have a look on YouTube for the channel Afterlife Topics And Metaphysics. I will ask Cyrus Kirkpatrick who presents the videos about the things you've brought up as I think they are good points. What I would say is that this might be where reincarnation might come into it and /or the possibility that the older generations have moved onto other levels. It's not like that. To begin with, in the afterlife there is no such thing as "time". That's why history is such a useless subject - that's why nations, identity and borders have so little value in the long run. It doesn't mean a shit. There. And "people"? You can't think of them as people any longer. They are just transparent lights emerging from the Creator. At least if they are the one's who won't return. These collective individuals don't speak, so forget about any spoken "language". The communication works through the minds. Everyone who has doubts make the beginner's mistake and visualize it from a human perspective. But it must be done from another perspective, an outer perspective. The afterlife is so far away from the materialistic life on earth anything could be, it's the opposite to that. So the references can be a human's. Piece Musik, I'm not sure on what your saying, I think that's possibly the case further on down the line but if you look into that YouTube channel and look into the videos, you'll find that Cyrus Kirkpatrick from his many obe experiences is VERY adamant that on crossing over people find themselves in a solid reality, in a solid body that is a counterpart to this world. He's not alone in this, Jurgen Ziewe, William Buhlmann, Robert Monroe all agree on this. Now maybe there comes a point where we shed the human form and all the trappings but it doesn't happen immediately. But all of these experienced travellers all report on cities, people living lives similar to Earth etc. I'm not saying your wrong but for many people there appears to be a sort of continuation of this existence I'll pop in some relevant vids for you, there's plenty more on the channel and I'd recommend going from the start but these seem relevant to our discussion Enjoy🤲
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Feb 23, 2019 1:28:57 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 23, 2019 1:28:57 GMT
There used to be a guy operating around the Burslem area that became quite famous (locally). I cannot remember his name, but it might have been a Greek name? I am pretty sure that he is now dead. He did at one time use premises rented in the Enterprise Center at the bottom of Moorland Road. A friend of my late wife went to see him. She paid a bit extra and got a recording of whatever it was that he said to her. Apparently it was quite remarkable in the detail and accuracy. I never heard the tape, but only knew what my wife told me. He kept repeating "and I will tell you this for nothing" - and then would reveal something. Apparently he told her a load of stuff about her past life - which included the fact that she had had a baby when she was sixteen years old. The baby was later adopted. It was all correct. Whether or not he revealed her future I have no idea, but it certainly caused a bit of a "stir" in Smallthorne at the time. nothing about this surprises me😁
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 1:34:24 GMT
Ephesians 6:12 could also give some insight.
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Post by felonious on Feb 23, 2019 5:51:28 GMT
Nice to see a cheeky little thread having it's own afterlife Trentvale
"Do we become lightbulbs after we die?".......deserves it's own thread
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Feb 23, 2019 9:34:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 9:34:11 GMT
Ephesians 6:12 could also give some insight. Indeed it does and I’ve absolutely no doubt this is the Truth. Recent events in my own life have certainly confirmed this to me. As for mediums, well I’d suggest reading about ‘familiar spirits’. It may seem harmless fun but there really is a darker side to it all. I don’t care if people mock me for my belief in God, everyone has to make their own choice but for me it’s become a very real relationship. The more I read and study God’s word the more I understand of the spiritual world. I’ll never grasp it all but I’ve a much clearer picture of what’s going on now.
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Post by musik on Feb 23, 2019 10:13:34 GMT
Sorry Trentvale68, you should never write late when almost asleep, I did and forgot to address my post to Miles Offside, like I meant to (now corrected). ☺️ Anyway, all I wanted to do was to emphasize the importance of separating the materialistic body on Earth from the "body" in the afterlife. I also simply wanted to point to the fact "time" isn't of importance there. Most people think of the spiritual world as the same as the materialistic world. It's not strange, but wrong.
To me, Afterlife is no place we stay at forever (in our spiritual body counterpart to our body on Earth), it's more like a waiting room before we return. But. At one point we don't return. The question though is, what happens then? Do we really merge and become a part of an eternal light, someone we can call God?
Regression therapy - does it work? Dreams - what do they tell us? Interesting.
Back to the subject of this thread: Yes, we are all mediums more or less. Most not aware. My thought.
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I will see the videos! 👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 23:28:16 GMT
Ephesians 6:12 could also give some insight. Indeed it does and I’ve absolutely no doubt this is the Truth. Recent events in my own life have certainly confirmed this to me. As for mediums, well I’d suggest reading about ‘familiar spirits’. It may seem harmless fun but there really is a darker side to it all. I don’t care if people mock me for my belief in God, everyone has to make their own choice but for me it’s become a very real relationship. The more I read and study God’s word the more I understand of the spiritual world. I’ll never grasp it all but I’ve a much clearer picture of what’s going on now. My God tells me to steer well clear of mediums, astrologers, mystics etc. He doesn't deny the existence of spirits, ghosts and "forces" that we are trying to identify, in fact he stresses the importance of their very existence.
I read a modern translation of the Bible - the message is the same, but over time words and grammar change. Please note that a modern "translation" does not mean a modern "version", or a modern "understanding" - it is simply a modern translation.
Eph 6:12 I feel best comes from the old King James translation
For we fight not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ok so who wrote that? It was Paul in the letter that he wrote to the church in Ephesus. I have been to Ephesus as I expect many of us have. Well some of us anyway.
What was he saying? He was saying that the church that was being threatened (to put it very mildly) was to understand that of all of the forces that were coming against the church (although there were many), the physical forces (armed men) were not the problem (forces of flesh and blood) - but those other forces.... that came from a very organised source.
No prizes for guessing the source.
So I do just that. I stay well away.
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Post by musik on Feb 23, 2019 23:53:25 GMT
My God tells me to steer well clear of mediums, astrologers, mystics etc. He doesn't deny the existence of spirits, ghosts and "forces" that we are trying to identify, in fact he stresses the importance of their very existence. So I do just that. I stay well away. What do you mean by "My" God? Are there several of them, you think? I have a poltergeist visiting me in my appartment now and then. He gets angry when it's a mess and I haven't cleaned it properly. But when I'm done he stays in the background or leaves. It's so obvious, everyone feels or sees it when they're there - but I haven't told anyone (apart from just one person). The man who lived here before was said to be a bit of a strange man, who never left the building. He was a heavy smoker who died here. I don't think he knows he's dead.
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Feb 24, 2019 0:38:47 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 24, 2019 0:38:47 GMT
I think it's good to keep an open mind, I think none of us get the full picture but we all get little bits along the way.
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Feb 24, 2019 0:39:50 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 24, 2019 0:39:50 GMT
My God tells me to steer well clear of mediums, astrologers, mystics etc. He doesn't deny the existence of spirits, ghosts and "forces" that we are trying to identify, in fact he stresses the importance of their very existence. So I do just that. I stay well away. What do you mean by "My" God? Are there several of them, you think? I have a poltergeist visiting me in my appartment now and then. He gets angry when it's a mess and I haven't cleaned it properly. But when I'm done he stays in the background or leaves. It's so obvious, everyone feels or sees it when they're there - but I haven't told anyone (apart from just one person). The man who lived here before was said to be a bit of a strange man, who never left the building. He was a heavy smoker who died here. I don't think he knows he's dead. that's Exactly what happened in my house 30 years ago.
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Post by kelw on Feb 24, 2019 12:40:49 GMT
Lived in a well known haunted house for about 5 years. 100% believer now as I laughed it off before. A young girl was murdered in the bedroom and still lived there. Sounds far fetched but had several friends and a building company who were too scared to go upstairs
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 24, 2019 17:19:07 GMT
Interesting points you make there! If your interested, Have a look on YouTube for the channel Afterlife Topics And Metaphysics. I will ask Cyrus Kirkpatrick who presents the videos about the things you've brought up as I think they are good points. What I would say is that this might be where reincarnation might come into it and /or the possibility that the older generations have moved onto other levels. It's not like that, Miles Offside. To begin with, in the afterlife there is no such thing as "time". That's why history is such a useless subject - that's why nations, identity and borders have so little value in the long run. It doesn't mean a shit. There. And "people"? You can't think of them as people any longer. They are just transparent lights emerging from the Creator. At least if they are the one's who won't return. These collective individuals don't speak, so forget about any spoken "language". The communication works through the minds. Everyone who has doubts make the beginner's mistake and visualize it from a human perspective. But it must be done from another perspective, an outer perspective. The afterlife is so far away from the materialistic life on earth anything could be, it's the opposite to that. So the references can be a human's. Piece Sorry, mate, but that's all pure speculation. You're talking about these things as though you know them as facts. You don't and they aren't. Descartes speculated about "the ghost in the machine" centuries ago. Centuries before that we had the creation of the world's major religions, each telling us about the afterlife, how to get there and who would get there. They all contradict each other. During the 19th century alone there was the creation of many more religions and beliefs about the afterlife. Guess what? They're all speculating too. It's a fascinating subject alright, but wholeheartedly agreeing with something doesn't make it true.
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Feb 24, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 24, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
Lived in a well known haunted house for about 5 years. 100% believer now as I laughed it off before. A young girl was murdered in the bedroom and still lived there. Sounds far fetched but had several friends and a building company who were too scared to go upstairs I think it takes personal experience to accept it as real. I hate it when people patronise and tell you that your eyes tricked you or the brain is fooling you, not of course impossible but it's lazy science to dismiss paranormal phenomenon as all down to creaking pipes and tricks of the subconscious.
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Post by kelw on Feb 24, 2019 20:33:26 GMT
Lived in a well known haunted house for about 5 years. 100% believer now as I laughed it off before. A young girl was murdered in the bedroom and still lived there. Sounds far fetched but had several friends and a building company who were too scared to go upstairs I think it takes personal experience to accept it as real. I hate it when people patronise and tell you that your eyes tricked you or the brain is fooling you, not of course impossible but it's lazy science to dismiss paranormal phenomenon as all down to creaking pipes and tricks of the subconscious. Absolutely, hard to explain to others but when I bought the house the neighbours were baffled that someone could live there. Quickly saw why but oddly never bothered me. Some people were so freaked out locally that they took a detour to avoid walking past at night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 22:20:15 GMT
I think it takes personal experience to accept it as real. I hate it when people patronise and tell you that your eyes tricked you or the brain is fooling you, not of course impossible but it's lazy science to dismiss paranormal phenomenon as all down to creaking pipes and tricks of the subconscious. Absolutely, hard to explain to others but when I bought the house the neighbours were baffled that someone could live there. Quickly saw why but oddly never bothered me. Some people were so freaked out locally that they took a detour to avoid walking past at night. What sort of things happened ?
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Post by kelw on Feb 24, 2019 22:24:35 GMT
Absolutely, hard to explain to others but when I bought the house the neighbours were baffled that someone could live there. Quickly saw why but oddly never bothered me. Some people were so freaked out locally that they took a detour to avoid walking past at night. What sort of things happened ? Could hear a child shouting and running upstairs and doors slamming. One builder and two others claimed to have seen her and a couple of locals claimed to have seen her looking out of the bedroom window where she was killed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 22:32:51 GMT
What sort of things happened ? Could hear a child shouting and running upstairs and doors slamming. One builder and two others claimed to have seen her and a couple of locals claimed to have seen her looking out of the bedroom window where she was killed. Don't know if I could have put up with that - my wife certainly wouldn't. Are you still living there ? If you moved house was it easy to sell to the new buyer ?
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Post by kelw on Feb 24, 2019 22:37:40 GMT
Could hear a child shouting and running upstairs and doors slamming. One builder and two others claimed to have seen her and a couple of locals claimed to have seen her looking out of the bedroom window where she was killed. Don't know if I could have put up with that - my wife certainly wouldn't. Are you still living there ? If you moved house was it easy to sell to the new buyer ? Two sisters bought it....was their first house. I built a kick ass bar in it which I think swung the sale :-) Was actually a lovely house so was easy to sell.
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Feb 24, 2019 23:01:51 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 24, 2019 23:01:51 GMT
I've got a feeling that in the US at least, you have to tell a prospective buyer if the house is purportedly haunted. My mum and dad got their house at auction, the gentleman previously had committed suicide. This was back in 1968.Funny thing is he hung around for another 15 years.. Until he was moved on as they say. He had quite a unique appearance, a leather glove on one hand. People saw him and to that exact appearance,and they'd never known him before so knew nothing about the hand.
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Post by kelw on Feb 25, 2019 0:01:02 GMT
I've got a feeling that in the US at least, you have to tell a prospective buyer if the house is purportedly haunted. My mum and dad got their house at auction, the gentleman previously had committed suicide. This was back in 1968.Funny thing is he hung around for another 15 years.. Until he was moved on as they say. He had quite a unique appearance, a leather glove on one hand. People saw him and to that exact appearance,and they'd never known him before so knew nothing about the hand. There is a law that if asked you have to declare any unusual activity. Strangely have just sold a house and the lady who bought it asked me re paranormal activity as she actually enjoys ghost hunting as a hobby as the property is in an old market town where she stays overnight in old coaching inns and pubs .
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Feb 25, 2019 1:01:17 GMT
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Post by musik on Feb 25, 2019 1:01:17 GMT
I don't know if there is an afterlife. Nobody else does either. But, although I'm sceptical, I accept that unlikely things are possible. However if an afterlife exists, are our recent dead ancestors just mixing with their families and friends? That's a bit too convenient, isn't it? What about people who had no family and friends? Or are they mixing with people who died over the timespan of human existence? That would mean our dead relatives mixing with others who had died over thousands of years. Think about that. Our dead relatives mixing with dead people from every century - people involved in the world wars, the Industrial Revolution, the slave trade, the indigenous people of the Americas who died before the Europeans discovered and conquered their continents, with Normans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings, Romans, ancient Greeks, Egyptians, Sumerians and cavemen. Really? And what have these dead people been doing for all these years besides standing behind our settees watching us watching telly? Are they all voyeurs? Do they all understand each other now? They all speak the same language and understand modern technology? Seems unlikely, doesn't it? I'm open to the possibility that things I can't comprehend now could happen after death. But I doubt it. And I feel certain that these people who claim to communicate with the dead are hoaxers. I can only answer your questions the way I see it, mate. As I see it, here you talk about such things as "time", "timespan", "continents", "industrial revolution" and you ask what the dead people have done all these years. What I meant before and what I mean now is the fact you see the afterlife as just another place. Like going to another country on Earth. To me, the afterlife has not the same boundaries, there is no time there. That's why 500 years is nothing for them "to wait", because they don't. Does it make sense? "Do they all speak the same language?" "Do they understand modern technology?" I can only answer this as I see it of course: yes. The answer is yes. In the afterlife the restrictions on Earth don't exist. That's what I meant by not having a human materialistic perspective. This is the way I see it. Others can see it in another way of course. I might even be wrong. But it FEELS like I'm more certain of how things are in the afterlife, than it's me writing this post in the materialistic world.
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Feb 25, 2019 1:09:46 GMT
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Post by musik on Feb 25, 2019 1:09:46 GMT
It's not like that, Miles Offside. To begin with, in the afterlife there is no such thing as "time". That's why history is such a useless subject - that's why nations, identity and borders have so little value in the long run. It doesn't mean a shit. There. And "people"? You can't think of them as people any longer. They are just transparent lights emerging from the Creator. At least if they are the one's who won't return. These collective individuals don't speak, so forget about any spoken "language". The communication works through the minds. Everyone who has doubts make the beginner's mistake and visualize it from a human perspective. But it must be done from another perspective, an outer perspective. The afterlife is so far away from the materialistic life on earth anything could be, it's the opposite to that. So the references can be a human's. Piece Sorry, mate, but that's all pure speculation. You're talking about these things as though you know them as facts. You don't and they aren't. Descartes speculated about "the ghost in the machine" centuries ago. Centuries before that we had the creation of the world's major religions, each telling us about the afterlife, how to get there and who would get there. They all contradict each other. During the 19th century alone there was the creation of many more religions and beliefs about the afterlife. Guess what? They're all speculating too. It's a fascinating subject alright, but wholeheartedly agreeing with something doesn't make it true. You're right, I got a bit carried away, but I've been there so many times so it's easily done. Here you mention religion. I have another answer about them than yours. In what way do you think they contradict each other?
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Post by murphthesurf on Feb 25, 2019 10:27:16 GMT
Lived in a well known haunted house for about 5 years. 100% believer now as I laughed it off before. A young girl was murdered in the bedroom and still lived there. Sounds far fetched but had several friends and a building company who were too scared to go upstairs I think it takes personal experience to accept it as real. I hate it when people patronise and tell you that your eyes tricked you or the brain is fooling you, not of course impossible but it's lazy science to dismiss paranormal phenomenon as all down to creaking pipes and tricks of the subconscious. THIS. Or when they claim things like ' someone must have been pushing the glass'..............
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 25, 2019 10:44:01 GMT
Working in a neuroscience field, all I'll say is that the human mind is an incredibly powerful tool, that has been designed to keep us alive at all costs. People with paranoid schizophrenia suffer from a phenomenon called auditory hallucination, in which they will hear music, a voice or various sounds. Now, you'd think that this was just in the "head" so to speak, the mind creating these sounds and what not. But in reality, testing has revealed these hallucinations actually follow stimulation of the left temporal lobe of the brain, the hearing centre in other words. Therefore the people who hear these sounds are actually simulating external hearing despite the fact there is no actual stimulus present to cause the sounds. Control patients do not exhibit any stimulation or hearing of a similar sound.
It's an extrapolation, but if you hear that someone has been murdered in a room of a house and then you are required to go to that room, your mind already has subconsciously understood that there is a potential threat. Your cortisol will skyrocket, your heart will beat faster and your brain will be ticking over all to stop you from going to that room...I think there is potential here for a lot of explanations about ghost sightings and sounds and whatnot. I think mediums are complete shite mind, but given what the brain is capable of creating then it;s not surprise in my point of view that people genuinely believe they can hear and see ghosts from time to time.
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Post by lordb on Feb 25, 2019 10:50:49 GMT
Working in a neuroscience field, all I'll say is that the human mind is an incredibly powerful tool, that has been designed to keep us alive at all costs. People with paranoid schizophrenia suffer from a phenomenon called auditory hallucination, in which they will hear music, a voice or various sounds. Now, you'd think that this was just in the "head" so to speak, the mind creating these sounds and what not. But in reality, testing has revealed these hallucinations actually follow stimulation of the left temporal lobe of the brain, the hearing centre in other words. Therefore the people who hear these sounds are actually simulating external hearing despite the fact there is no actual stimulus present to cause the sounds. Control patients do not exhibit any stimulation or hearing of a similar sound. It's an extrapolation, but if you hear that someone has been murdered in a room of a house and then you are required to go to that room, your mind already has subconsciously understood that there is a potential threat. Your cortisol will skyrocket, your heart will beat faster and your brain will be ticking over all to stop you from going to that room...I think there is potential here for a lot of explanations about ghost sightings and sounds and whatnot. I think mediums are complete shite mind, but given what the brain is capable of creating then it;s not surprise in my point of view that people genuinely believe they can hear and see ghosts from time to time. Good argument. In our case we found out about the death in the house and previous reported 'happenings' AFTER we had experiences of our own.
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Post by murphthesurf on Feb 25, 2019 10:54:43 GMT
Working in a neuroscience field, all I'll say is that the human mind is an incredibly powerful tool, that has been designed to keep us alive at all costs. but given what the brain is capable of creating then it;s not surprise in my point of view that people genuinely believe they can hear and see ghosts from time to time. Good argument. In our case we found out about the death in the house and previous reported 'happenings' AFTER we had experiences of our own. Exactly.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 25, 2019 11:01:10 GMT
Working in a neuroscience field, all I'll say is that the human mind is an incredibly powerful tool, that has been designed to keep us alive at all costs. People with paranoid schizophrenia suffer from a phenomenon called auditory hallucination, in which they will hear music, a voice or various sounds. Now, you'd think that this was just in the "head" so to speak, the mind creating these sounds and what not. But in reality, testing has revealed these hallucinations actually follow stimulation of the left temporal lobe of the brain, the hearing centre in other words. Therefore the people who hear these sounds are actually simulating external hearing despite the fact there is no actual stimulus present to cause the sounds. Control patients do not exhibit any stimulation or hearing of a similar sound. It's an extrapolation, but if you hear that someone has been murdered in a room of a house and then you are required to go to that room, your mind already has subconsciously understood that there is a potential threat. Your cortisol will skyrocket, your heart will beat faster and your brain will be ticking over all to stop you from going to that room...I think there is potential here for a lot of explanations about ghost sightings and sounds and whatnot. I think mediums are complete shite mind, but given what the brain is capable of creating then it;s not surprise in my point of view that people genuinely believe they can hear and see ghosts from time to time. Good argument. In our case we found out about the death in the house and previous reported 'happenings' AFTER we had experiences of our own. Very interesting indeed, but we've all heard of ghosts and potential paranormal activity so already there is a confirmation bias in our heads to begin with. Not that I'm doubting your experiences, I'm sure it's pretty harrowing if it's ghosts or the brain to be honest! I suppose a the only control you could have for this is if the person in question somehow doesn't know what a ghost is. Which obviously, isn't exactly feasible. I know it sounds like the traditional skeptic's argument, but neuroscience does reveal some absolutely stunning things which defy rational explanation. Phantom limb pain for instance is arguably the most bizarre phenomenon in existence and defies all normal physiology. We also don't fully understand the role of all neurons in the nervous system yet, mirror neurons (the nerves that let us copy an action performed in front of us) are very curious indeed.
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Feb 25, 2019 11:08:40 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 25, 2019 11:08:40 GMT
Phantom Limb could be explained by the Astral body maybe 🙄
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Post by murphthesurf on Feb 25, 2019 11:12:52 GMT
Ephesians 6:12 could also give some insight. Indeed it does and I’ve absolutely no doubt this is the Truth. Recent events in my own life have certainly confirmed this to me. As for mediums, well I’d suggest reading about ‘familiar spirits’. It may seem harmless fun but there really is a darker side to it all. I don’t care if people mock me for my belief in God, everyone has to make their own choice but for me it’s become a very real relationship. The more I read and study God’s word the more I understand of the spiritual world. I’ll never grasp it all but I’ve a much clearer picture of what’s going on now. Great post. Serious question: Re. 'familiar spirits'........... I haven't read any history for ages & ages about centuries-old 'Witch Trials' (either UK or Salem, etc.), but if, say, an elderly person was accused of being a witch and they happened to have a pet black cat --- or it was claimed that they had made a pet of a wild black.... bird, ie. I think it was usually a jackdaw or a raven --- or similar sorts of creatures, the creature was known as 'a familiar'. Ie. 'a familiar' was claimed to be a witch's tool to enable her/him to cast evil spells. So is there a connection to the phrase? Or how should 'familiar spirits' be defined? Would appreciate any views / input. Thx.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 25, 2019 11:32:28 GMT
I think it's meant to describe Demonic ie non human and certainly non benevolent entities that assume the appearance and demeanour of a deceased human, usually a loved one 'familiar' to the witness. I'm on the fence with that one myself.
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