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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 19:03:07 GMT
I think he's been good for the most part. Couple of big mistakes but certainly not been bad. Johnson was good until the Bournemouth game when he got injured, can't remember when that was. Wollscheid was decent until he started getting cocky in 15/16. Muni was good when he did play, which tbf was over 50 games for us, albeit over a fair few seasons. Bojan was excellent, no idea why we loaned him out at all. Afellay was an excellent player for a bit, he did a lot in the midfield with keeping the ball. Lost the need for that when Hughes fucked off playing football though and his injuries got to him. Allen himself has been excellent. Had we signed a proper defensive midfielder or just played him next to Cameron rather than pretending he's a number 10 we'd have been far better off. Zouma and Afellay- massively overrated by way too many. Wolly was just toss. I love Muni but overall his signing was a poor one. He was barely used and often injured. A shame. Bojan was loaned because he didn't want to stay and fight. Allen was never needed, it was a waste of money, it remains so now we have Badou. Afellay maybe, Zouma i think is good. Bojan should've been used, he fought and played well and still stayed on the bench because the manager was an A class cretin. I think Allen would've been fine next to Cameron (or a more useful defensive mid).
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Post by Veritas on Apr 26, 2018 19:12:03 GMT
He'll be really cheap and his lack of pace wont make as much of a difference in the championship, i'll honestly be quite dissapointed if we dont atleast try to get him No we shouldn't now move on
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Post by stokienorthants on Apr 26, 2018 19:39:54 GMT
Time moves on we shouldn’t be continually looking in the rear view mirror some of the posters on here would sign Walters, Whelan, Huth and Mike Sheron. We have to move forward.
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Post by Northy on Apr 26, 2018 19:46:23 GMT
It's going to be a long close season
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 26, 2018 20:08:18 GMT
We actually should not
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2018 20:31:00 GMT
The majority of Hughes signings have not worked out not a few. Allen (despite balance issues in the squad) Shaq Zouma Arnie Bojan Indi Odemwingie (until injury) Diouf Grant Johnson (until injury) Moses Bardsley All succeeded over some period of time. The players who 'failed' would be: Saido Imbula (still had talent) Given Guidetti Sidwell Fletcher Jose Haugaard V. Ginkel Bony The rest have been alright. I make that 12 good signings to 10 poor ones. Including the 'alright ones' like Ramadan etc. it's not even close. There are more good signings than bad. Recently not so, but over his whole tenure definitely. He has no worse a record here than any other manager on Earth has. Wolfy Wimper Joselu Ireland Johnson (he's wank) Cheapo Motel Tymon Affelay
I would add Muniesa to your list to balance it out a bit for you, you do realise there is £32 million of wank on your shit list and you missed Wimper that makes around £50 million on wankers alone
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2018 20:32:29 GMT
If we lose Ryan or Indi then it's not the daftest of shouts. People on here were saying he was finished when we sold him to Leicester, I wonder what happened to him there? Kante won them the league... Like i said, he can't play in an expansive team. When there's 8 men behind the ball, and a player like Kante ahead of him, so he only has to defend the 6 yard box, fine. Oh his own God you are so stupid
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 26, 2018 20:39:48 GMT
If only, but sadly Robert’s day is possibly gone
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:47:01 GMT
Allen (despite balance issues in the squad) Shaq Zouma Arnie Bojan Indi Odemwingie (until injury) Diouf Grant Johnson (until injury) Moses Bardsley All succeeded over some period of time. The players who 'failed' would be: Saido Imbula (still had talent) Given Guidetti Sidwell Fletcher Jose Haugaard V. Ginkel Bony The rest have been alright. I make that 12 good signings to 10 poor ones. Including the 'alright ones' like Ramadan etc. it's not even close. There are more good signings than bad. Recently not so, but over his whole tenure definitely. He has no worse a record here than any other manager on Earth has. Wolfy Wimper Joselu Ireland Johnson (he's wank) Cheapo Motel Tymon Affelay
I would add Muniesa to your list to balance it out a bit for you, you do realise there is £32 million of wank on your shit list and you missed Wimper that makes around £50 million on wankers alone
Wimmer yeah i said before i forgot to add. The rest nah. Ireland has been decent when called on, Joselu did alright, i've explained Wollscheid, Afellay & Johnson above, Choupo has been alright if a bit meh, Tymon is a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:48:54 GMT
Kante won them the league... Like i said, he can't play in an expansive team. When there's 8 men behind the ball, and a player like Kante ahead of him, so he only has to defend the 6 yard box, fine. Oh his own God you are so stupid Good argument. Thanks for your time. Robert Huth is not a top class centre half, he and Wes Morgan were made into that by well organised defensive football and Kante.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2018 20:50:08 GMT
Wolfy Wimper Joselu Ireland Johnson (he's wank) Cheapo Motel Tymon Affelay
I would add Muniesa to your list to balance it out a bit for you, you do realise there is £32 million of wank on your shit list and you missed Wimper that makes around £50 million on wankers alone
Wimmer yeah i said before i forgot to add. The rest nah. Ireland has been decent when called on, Joselu did alright, i've explained Wollscheid, Afellay & Johnson above, Choupo has been alright if a bit meh, Tymon is a kid. Really when your in a hole stop digging son
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 26, 2018 20:52:01 GMT
Oh his own God you are so stupid Good argument. Thanks for your time. Robert Huth is not a top class centre half, he and Wes Morgan were made into that by well organised defensive football and Kante. Your dad need to take that shovel away from you, if you carry on like this you should think about hiring a mechanical digger .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:54:27 GMT
Good argument. Thanks for your time. Robert Huth is not a top class centre half, he and Wes Morgan were made into that by well organised defensive football and Kante. Your dad need to take that shovel away from you, if you carry on like this you should think about hiring a mechanical digger . Again, no comment on what i'm saying, no rebuttal at all. Honestly, I can write this all in crayon for you if you're struggling to understand?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2018 22:24:48 GMT
Zouma and Afellay- massively overrated by way too many. Wolly was just toss. I love Muni but overall his signing was a poor one. He was barely used and often injured. A shame. Bojan was loaned because he didn't want to stay and fight. Allen was never needed, it was a waste of money, it remains so now we have Badou. Afellay maybe, Zouma i think is good. Bojan should've been used, he fought and played well and still stayed on the bench because the manager was an A class cretin. I think Allen would've been fine next to Cameron (or a more useful defensive mid). Bojan was rightly on the bench, whatever he had before the injury seemed to have left him but he was still getting a chance now and then to show if he could cut it, he didn't do enough (imo) so stayed on the bench, if he's not willing to stay and fight for a place that says more about him than the manager. Allen next to anyone would still be Allen, he didn't suit the way we set up and caused more problems than he solved.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 26, 2018 22:26:05 GMT
Walters too even if it's just to get the spirit back It doesn't all happen on the pitch.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2018 22:34:51 GMT
Walters too even if it's just to get the spirit back It doesn't all happen on the pitch. Oooo goody another over the hill crock, can't we sign someone thats able to play, isn't quickly approaching retirement and helps out the dressing room, thats a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 23:01:44 GMT
Afellay maybe, Zouma i think is good. Bojan should've been used, he fought and played well and still stayed on the bench because the manager was an A class cretin. I think Allen would've been fine next to Cameron (or a more useful defensive mid). Bojan was rightly on the bench, whatever he had before the injury seemed to have left him but he was still getting a chance now and then to show if he could cut it, he didn't do enough (imo) so stayed on the bench, if he's not willing to stay and fight for a place that says more about him than the manager. Allen next to anyone would still be Allen, he didn't suit the way we set up and caused more problems than he solved. Disagree. He was integral to the team after the injury and second top scorer that year. He was dropped after scoring 2 in 2 and didn't play more than 2 in a row after april. Allen next to a defensive mid would've been fine.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2018 23:09:37 GMT
Bojan was rightly on the bench, whatever he had before the injury seemed to have left him but he was still getting a chance now and then to show if he could cut it, he didn't do enough (imo) so stayed on the bench, if he's not willing to stay and fight for a place that says more about him than the manager. Allen next to anyone would still be Allen, he didn't suit the way we set up and caused more problems than he solved. Disagree. He was integral to the team after the injury and second top scorer that year. He was dropped after scoring 2 in 2 and didn't play more than 2 in a row after april. Allen next to a defensive mid would've been fine. Allen isn't good enough on the ball so you've then got two people in the midfield that can only play it safe at best, he's also like a Duracell bunny, he goes sprinting to the player with the ball, goes past him because he can't stop in time and leaves a whacking great gap, I remember him doing just that last season against Tottenham, player at the byline all he had to do was crowd him and he'd have to go backwards, but he runs straight past and they score with ease. We'll have to agree to disagree with Bojan because I remember some shocking performances after his injury, he looked scared of his own shadow.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2018 23:37:27 GMT
^all the people that cried when we sold him That is true, but it does not necessarily shed a great deal of light on the issue. We all cried when we sold Jimmy Greenhoff but nobody is suggesting we re-employ him*. (*Hmmmm...although he honestly might not be any worse than the current options). Might as well bring back Smithy and Pluto while we’re at it! I am sure they’d give it a good go.
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 26, 2018 23:41:51 GMT
Loved the guy, he went far too early but would never have expected him to be here this season. Therefore no to him and let's move on.
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 26, 2018 23:47:03 GMT
The majority of Hughes signings have not worked out not a few. Allen (despite balance issues in the squad) Shaq Zouma Arnie Bojan Indi Odemwingie (until injury) Diouf Grant Johnson (until injury) Moses Bardsley All succeeded over some period of time. The players who 'failed' would be: Saido Imbula (still had talent) Given Guidetti Sidwell Fletcher Jose Haugaard V. Ginkel Bony The rest have been alright. I make that 12 good signings to 10 poor ones. Including the 'alright ones' like Ramadan etc. it's not even close. There are more good signings than bad. Recently not so, but over his whole tenure definitely. He has no worse a record here than any other manager on Earth has. Given didn't fail, he did ok but we went on to sign a better keeper.
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 26, 2018 23:51:56 GMT
That is true, but it does not necessarily shed a great deal of light on the issue. We all cried when we sold Jimmy Greenhoff but nobody is suggesting we re-employ him*. (*Hmmmm...although he honestly might not be any worse than the current options). Might as well bring back Smithy and Pluto while we’re at it! I am sure they’d give it a good go. BLUTO!!!
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2018 23:53:13 GMT
Might as well bring back Smithy and Pluto while we’re at it! I am sure they’d give it a good go. BLUTO!!! Sorry. My mistake! Seconds thoughts, maybe Pluto might be an option!
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 27, 2018 0:00:58 GMT
Sorry. My mistake! Seconds thoughts, maybe Pluto might be an option! He'd never have the chilling look and bite Alan Bloor had, frightening.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 27, 2018 9:42:35 GMT
That'd be 33 year old Robert Huth who hasn't played 1 minute of football for Leicester this season. We should definitely sign him though because he's got loads of PASHUUUN!!! for the club and score a tonne of headers that season ages ago. I for one will be apoplectic if we don't re-sign Dean Whitehead also. Fucking wank Stoke. I remember seeing that on here when people said Hughes should have sold him 1`8 months later he had a championship medal character is worth a lot surely you should have noticed that by now . He might just be a squad player but he is the type of charcter you need in the championship
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 27, 2018 9:45:32 GMT
If we lose Ryan or Indi then it's not the daftest of shouts. People on here were saying he was finished when we sold him to Leicester, I wonder what happened to him there? Kante won them the league... Like i said, he can't play in an expansive team. When there's 8 men behind the ball, and a player like Kante ahead of him, so he only has to defend the 6 yard box, fine. I might be wrong but he possibly scored more goals in their title winning season than any of our strikers have this season so maybe we play him up front !!!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 27, 2018 9:50:05 GMT
Allen (despite balance issues in the squad) Shaq Zouma Arnie Bojan Indi Odemwingie (until injury) Diouf Grant Johnson (until injury) Moses Bardsley All succeeded over some period of time. The players who 'failed' would be: Saido Imbula (still had talent) Given Guidetti Sidwell Fletcher Jose Haugaard V. Ginkel Bony The rest have been alrigh I make that 12 good signings to 10 poor ones. Including the 'alright ones' like Ramadan etc. it's not even close. There are more good signings than bad. Recently not so, but over his whole tenure definitely. He has no worse a record here than any other manager on Earth has. Given didn't fail, he did ok but we went on to sign a better keeper. Struggling to see how Bojan makes the top group brilliant for a short spell but costing a fortune now and Diouf earns 50k a week , is that money well spent ? Id agree about the others but would have Shaq as OK , for his talent he could have done a lot more for us than he has .
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 27, 2018 10:06:16 GMT
Just as many of us past retirement age keep reminiscing about the 70s teams/players, I think, as we exit the Premier league, posters have started to reminisce about players of the Stoke Premier League era. Football is a young man's game, and whilst it can be helpful to have older wiser heads and strong characters in the dressing room, I think one of our many problems this season was having too many players past their best. (ditto West Brom) Hughes started the clear out last summer, but as with every decision the club have made in recent years, it was started/happened too late. Many posters criticise our lack of pace, that is true, but I believe in letting the ball do a lot of the work and that football is a passing game, not number of sprints or miles run. Huth would add nothing to our speed or passing ability. Incidentally: www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/total_pass
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Post by rawli on Apr 27, 2018 10:06:47 GMT
Would sort out the dressing room in a second Is that right. Huth wasn't sold for football reasons. Why was he sold?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 27, 2018 10:19:13 GMT
Is that right. Huth wasn't sold for football reasons. Why was he sold? I was told at the time that Huth and Hughes had a massive falling out. No idea what about but I assumed it was the 'cock no cock' Twatter affair. Plus Huth was a massive figure in the dressing room and having fallen out would be a malign influence against Hughes. That coupled with the fact that he'd been out for months and in his one game back (the cup game against Wrexham) he was utter dogshit meant Hughes could justify axing him.
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