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Post by johnnypotter on Mar 18, 2018 17:35:53 GMT
If by some miracle [and it will take a miracle now] that we do stay up, the powers that be will all congratulate themselves and think their policies have been endorsed. Then we get the same thing again, only next time around Paul Lambert will be the fall guy, then the cycle begins again.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2018 17:38:39 GMT
They are that arrogant they have amassed personal fortunes,got their local team into the premier league for ten seasons? also they are amongst the largest employers in the area,give money to local charities,i wish i had their arrogance Exactly why I think they will see justification in doing the same thing again if we survive. I'm pretty certain the main agenda now is to stay in the PL by hook or crook spending as little as pos and hoping the academy will strike gold now and then. How people can be critical of what the Coates family have done for the club i love is beyond my comprehension,do you remember the Eighties?
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Post by andystokey on Mar 18, 2018 17:41:09 GMT
and if our 22 were in the battle of Britain it would have been over before breakfast. True, but just because the lads are trapped on the beach at Dunkirk, doesn’t mean the rest of us should all roll over and give up! The fans have never given up on the team. We've turned up home and away all season. This is more like blackadder though. With the board and cronies suggesting they're right behind us About 35 miles behind you..
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 18, 2018 17:41:13 GMT
If we do stay up and the Board don't see this as the biggest wake up call ever then we deserve to be relegated next season. Frankly I'm not sure they will (they'll probably congratulate themselves on Lambert's appointment, give him £20m or so + player sales and expect to be mid-table) A big part of me would rather get it over and done with now rather than endure another season of death by a thousand cuts. Well talk for yourself. Been there done that and I choose to believe the board wii heed the wake up call and do what is needed to retool ( including perhaps telling Lambert Thank You, but move along.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 18, 2018 17:45:18 GMT
If by some miracle [and it will take a miracle now] that we do stay up, the powers that be will all congratulate themselves and think their policies have been endorsed. Then we get the same thing again, only next time around Paul Lambert will be the fall guy, then the cycle begins again. Miracle = the blind seeing again Making up 2 points in 7 games = “ not a miracle” Miracle = Buck average everyday Stokie being able to know what Billionaire Owners of Stoke will think in the future.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 18, 2018 17:47:12 GMT
and how many local jobs will go as a result of going down in various supporting business? Meanwhile three of the worst players I've ever seen pull on a Stoke shirt will take £10M a year out of the club for another 3 to 5 years And who created these local jobs by getting Stoke promoted? You make it sound like the feudal system. I'm talking about a board of a football club that is a company in its own right. That Company SCFC not the Coates have been negligent and complacent in the extreme in the last two years. That my friend smacks of arrogance at the board.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 17:48:56 GMT
Talking about this the other day. If we did stay up, someone needs to waft a large dose of smelling salts under the noses of the board.
Realistically, the very same players who have demonstrated that they are not good enough this year, will be no better next year.
We are in desperate need of a huge overhaul, and they simply don't happen in the real world.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Mar 18, 2018 17:51:36 GMT
Peter Coates will tell everyone..."Panic, what panic?" or "I told you so..."
What would happen? In all probability nowt!
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2018 17:52:30 GMT
And who created these local jobs by getting Stoke promoted? You make it sound like the feudal system. I'm talking about a board of a football club that is a company in its own right. That Company SCFC not the Coates have been negligent and complacent in the extreme in the last two years. That my friend smacks of arrogance at the board. Every town or city that gets a team to represent them in what is considered the best league in the world is certain to gain jobs directly from or indirectly that is a fact.
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Post by milky on Mar 18, 2018 17:53:01 GMT
Exactly why I think they will see justification in doing the same thing again if we survive. I'm pretty certain the main agenda now is to stay in the PL by hook or crook spending as little as pos and hoping the academy will strike gold now and then. How people can be critical of what the Coates family have done for the club i love is beyond my comprehension,do you remember the Eighties? He (they ) were rightly lauded / worshipped even for getting us here and were more than happy to bask in the glory so why should they escape any criticism for some shocking decisions that will put us back where we came from? We are (were) an established PL club for 10 years shitting in Sky money but decided to try and get by on the cheap while watching clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth showing far more ambition. I'm sorry if that doesn't suit you but they deserve every bit of shit they are going to get for completely fucking this one up.
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 18, 2018 17:59:43 GMT
How people can be critical of what the Coates family have done for the club i love is beyond my comprehension,do you remember the Eighties? He (they ) were rightly lauded / worshipped even for getting us here and were more than happy to bask in the glory so why should they escape any criticism for some shocking decisions that will put us back where we came from? We are (were) an established PL club for 10 years shitting in Sky money but decided to try and get by on the cheap while watching clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth showing far more ambition. I'm sorry if that doesn't suit you but they deserve every bit of shit they are going to get for completely fucking this one up. If you take the big "6" out the equation that leaves 14 clubs in with a chance of relegation so a little less than a 1 in 5 chance, 3 clubs have to go that is the system would you prefer a closed shop with no relegation and promotion?
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Post by milky on Mar 18, 2018 18:04:51 GMT
He (they ) were rightly lauded / worshipped even for getting us here and were more than happy to bask in the glory so why should they escape any criticism for some shocking decisions that will put us back where we came from? We are (were) an established PL club for 10 years shitting in Sky money but decided to try and get by on the cheap while watching clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth showing far more ambition. I'm sorry if that doesn't suit you but they deserve every bit of shit they are going to get for completely fucking this one up. If you take the big "6" out the equation that leaves 14 clubs in with a chance of relegation so a little less than a 1 in 5 chance, 3 clubs have to go that is the system would you prefer a closed shop with no relegation and promotion? Well fuck me ! That makes it all ok then , thanks for clearing that one up. 3 clubs have to get relegated so it's fine they have turned a well run club into a clusterfuck in 2 years ! No problemo!
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Post by andystokey on Mar 18, 2018 18:09:00 GMT
You make it sound like the feudal system. I'm talking about a board of a football club that is a company in its own right. That Company SCFC not the Coates have been negligent and complacent in the extreme in the last two years. That my friend smacks of arrogance at the board. Every town or city that gets a team to represent them in what is considered the best league in the world is certain to gain jobs directly from or indirectly that is a fact. And Mr Coates and Mr Scholes enjoyed the adulation that brings. They have self declared that link to community. With great influence comes great responsibility. They are responsible for a monstrous misjudgement that is borderline incompetence. You defend their arrogance suggesting that it is not arrogant. The definition which is unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people: They have failed in apparently claiming to "know more than the industry norm" If it isn't arrogance then I suggest it is incompetence or complacency. Either way it's an unacceptable performance by the board and they deserve to be criticised on their performance. I have no intent on doffing my cap. This football club has squandered an amazing opportunity. 10 years of stable income and half a world of talent to choose from. The performance of the board in the last 18 months is almost a criminal neglect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2018 18:58:24 GMT
What happens if we survive?
Satan starts skating to work in the morning.
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Post by adamsson on Mar 18, 2018 18:59:33 GMT
About the same chance as me winning the lottery and I don't buy tickets
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Post by bergenstokie on Mar 18, 2018 19:52:16 GMT
Butland and Shaq wil go, sell Allen and Imbula. Total of hopefully 80 mill.
4-2-3-1
New keeper 5 mill
Bauer Shawcross Indi LB 6 mill.
Hold M 15 mill Hold M 15 mill
Ramadan Badou LM 15 mill or new rm 15 mill
Str 25 mill
Total of 96 mill with a new RM, total of 81 mill without.
Max of 16 million for Coates to splash out, 2 mill less than Wimmer. Maybe a new CB as well. All we need is a proper recruitment team....
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Post by ed5993 on Mar 18, 2018 20:10:10 GMT
Regardless if we stay up or go down - we need a clear out all the turgid crap Hughes accumulated and replace it with proper substance and re-build an actual team
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Mar 18, 2018 22:12:58 GMT
I'm not usually one for The Oatcake's yearly clamour for 86 new signings, but if we were to stay up then serious wholesale changes need to be made in the playing squad; as well as a major reshuffle in the way the club is managed, as from top to bottom, the people running the club this year have been atrocious.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 18, 2018 22:34:00 GMT
If most of you had to be relied on in WW II, the war would have lasted all of 8 days and we’d all be speaking German. Holy crap! We are 2 points from safety. Let’s all pop down to Paddy Power and surrender! Just for the sake of accuracy and pedants everywhere we are actually 4 points from safety. Not that it matters, it could be eleventyfour we wouldn't stand any less chance of bridging it. West Ham and Palace need one more win and we're never catching them.
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Post by dano75 on Mar 18, 2018 22:35:15 GMT
We won’t survive unfortunately that’s it ! Too many shit decisions from top to bottom 50odd million spent not one player any where near the match day squad bar Saido yesterday , utter embarrassment really
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Post by rawli on Mar 18, 2018 23:05:16 GMT
He (they ) were rightly lauded / worshipped even for getting us here and were more than happy to bask in the glory so why should they escape any criticism for some shocking decisions that will put us back where we came from? We are (were) an established PL club for 10 years shitting in Sky money but decided to try and get by on the cheap while watching clubs like Brighton and Bournemouth showing far more ambition. I'm sorry if that doesn't suit you but they deserve every bit of shit they are going to get for completely fucking this one up. If you take the big "6" out the equation that leaves 14 clubs in with a chance of relegation so a little less than a 1 in 5 chance, 3 clubs have to go that is the system would you prefer a closed shop with no relegation and promotion? So a club that has been in the league for 10 years has as much chance of survival as the 3 promoted clubs?
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Mar 18, 2018 23:22:14 GMT
We do a Leicester next season
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 19, 2018 12:17:09 GMT
We can still do it. Have faith. I think we will.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 19, 2018 13:11:37 GMT
Hey it’s a Stoke Board, you want classy, try “The Modern Manhattan Socialite Board” I meant Coates and co.🤑
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Post by skemstokie on Mar 19, 2018 13:16:43 GMT
If you take the big "6" out the equation that leaves 14 clubs in with a chance of relegation so a little less than a 1 in 5 chance, 3 clubs have to go that is the system would you prefer a closed shop with no relegation and promotion? So a club that has been in the league for 10 years has as much chance of survival as the 3 promoted clubs? Seems to be what is happening this season,depends i suppose on the way in which promotion is gained i can see little trouble for Wolves next season,must admit i thought last season`s trio would go straight back down .My point was the top 6 + Everton who never seem to struggle too much leaves the rest as relegation fodder.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 19, 2018 13:40:03 GMT
If we somehow manage to stay up then the board need to be prepared to invest some serious money otherwise we'll find ourselves in exactly the same position next season.
Scholes, Cartwright and the members of the scouting team responsible for the shambolic signings should be sacked regardless of whether we stay up or go down.
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Post by bossthemidfield on Mar 19, 2018 14:23:25 GMT
I like all three, but I would take the money because none have made enough of an impact to keep us safe, have they? I think we need a complete overhaul and should start buying a different type of player. Definitely. I've always liked Shaq but Arnie was always more of the vital player to us and that's why I was ok with selling Shaq in the summer just gone as long as we kept Arnie. We need to add pace all over the pitch. We need a bastard of a central midfielder. And we need a goalie who is focussed on us and not having a go at the crowd. Downhill from when Arnie went without a replacement... not as if they couldn’t see it coming! Oh and don’t say Choupo, not in the same league. And when players start on the fans... well time for them to go IMO.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 19, 2018 15:04:31 GMT
Talking about this the other day. If we did stay up, someone needs to waft a large dose of smelling salts under the noses of the board. Realistically, the very same players who have demonstrated that they are not good enough this year, will be no better next year. We are in desperate need of a huge overhaul, and they simply don't happen in the real world. If they can see what everyone else can see then they're probably crapping themselves as much about staying up as going down. Staying up keeps you on the Sky gravy train - but as you say massive overhaul required - and massive expenditure. Going down on the other hand - parachute payments, some big earners sold for reasonable profit, relegation clauses (one has to presume - surely not that incompetent) reducing remaining high earners pay, look to integrate young fringe players like Edwards, Verlinden, Sweeney - all on £5 to £10k pw max
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 19:06:13 GMT
Talking about this the other day. If we did stay up, someone needs to waft a large dose of smelling salts under the noses of the board. Realistically, the very same players who have demonstrated that they are not good enough this year, will be no better next year. We are in desperate need of a huge overhaul, and they simply don't happen in the real world. If they can see what everyone else can see then they're probably crapping themselves as much about staying up as going down. Staying up keeps you on the Sky gravy train - but as you say massive overhaul required - and massive expenditure. Going down on the other hand - parachute payments, some big earners sold for reasonable profit, relegation clauses (one has to presume - surely not that incompetent) reducing remaining high earners pay, look to integrate young fringe players like Edwards, Verlinden, Sweeney - all on £5 to £10k pw max So do you think that 'going down to come back up' may be in their thoughts??
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