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Post by bathstoke on Mar 16, 2018 8:20:01 GMT
Is it someone's idea of a joke, I can't tell? I get that it might be Bob Marley-related but even that seems random, and the colour scheme, 'Karma' and '96' rolled in together don't sit comfortably tbh, who the fuck is going to buy that? Is it referring to the Hillsborough disaster “96”? I have no idea what the whole karma thing is about. It’s certainly odd. Heysel...
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Post by Gods on Mar 16, 2018 8:20:10 GMT
The planet can't be expected to just 'retire' the number 96 for eternity can it unless it refers to one particular tragic event ?
Designers will always want to use it, it's symmetrical and beautiful, 69 without the soixante neuf sexual connotations.
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Post by samba :) on Mar 16, 2018 8:32:45 GMT
The planet can't be expected to just 'retire' the number 96 can it unless it refers to one particular tragic event ? Designers will always want to use it, it's symmetrical and beautiful, 69 without the soixante neuf sexual connotations. the planet can't just 'retire' the number 69 unless it refers to one particular sexual action?
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 16, 2018 9:15:17 GMT
Dalgleish will be laying wreaths at Topman shops around the country.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 16, 2018 10:01:19 GMT
Great looking shirt
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Post by potterblade on Mar 16, 2018 10:08:10 GMT
Is it referring to the Hillsborough disaster “96”? I have no idea what the whole karma thing is about. It’s certainly odd. Heysel... #Heysel :0 It's all over Twitter
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Post by Gods on Mar 16, 2018 10:17:23 GMT
The planet can't be expected to just 'retire' the number 96 can it unless it refers to one particular tragic event ? Designers will always want to use it, it's symmetrical and beautiful, 69 without the soixante neuf sexual connotations. the planet can't just 'retire' the number 69 unless it refers to one particular sexual action? I'd also be in favour of 'retiring' the number 15 in respect of Steven N'Zonzi's #15 Stoke City shirt
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Post by skip on Mar 16, 2018 10:18:30 GMT
Someone at Topman design's clearly on very good coke.
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 16, 2018 10:29:38 GMT
Boothen and heworkshardtho......you might be too late to buy one as the shirt has been withdrawn from sale.
Although no doubt some weapon will have it up on ebay for a few hundred quid this morning
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Post by Widget123 on Mar 16, 2018 12:16:03 GMT
This is such an obvious mistake with no intention.
Without belittling Victims of a horrible tragedy what's clearly happened is a non football following buyer for top man has met with an overseas manufacturer who has pitched some t shirts based on random stuff like music or years. That buyer has submitted a purchasing request to their line manager who also doesn't follow football or simply approved a t shirt called 1969 Karma v neck and the whole thing was produced and delivered then displayed in stores by young teenagers and twenty something fashion wage slaves who don't follow football.
Why that innocent series of events required a full on hate campaign and media storm I have no idea. People are so soft today that almost anything that slightly offends them requires complete outrage rather an a measured "you may wish to rethink this" response.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 16, 2018 12:48:47 GMT
This is such an obvious mistake with no intention. Without belittling Victims of a horrible tragedy what's clearly happened is a non football following buyer for top man has met with an overseas manufacturer who has pitched some t shirts based on random stuff like music or years. That buyer has submitted a purchasing request to their line manager who also doesn't follow football or simply approved a t shirt called 1969 Karma v neck and the whole thing was produced and delivered then displayed in stores by young teenagers and twenty something fashion wage slaves who don't follow football. Why that innocent series of events required a full on hate campaign and media storm I have no idea. People are so soft today that almost anything that slightly offends them requires complete outrage rather an a measured "you may wish to rethink this" response. The fact that it got approved etc is surely innocent but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the original design was made by a twisted ManU fan leaving just enough doubt to get it through... the red, the 96.. the red rose (symbol of Lancashire)..
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2018 13:09:51 GMT
This is such an obvious mistake with no intention. Without belittling Victims of a horrible tragedy what's clearly happened is a non football following buyer for top man has met with an overseas manufacturer who has pitched some t shirts based on random stuff like music or years. That buyer has submitted a purchasing request to their line manager who also doesn't follow football or simply approved a t shirt called 1969 Karma v neck and the whole thing was produced and delivered then displayed in stores by young teenagers and twenty something fashion wage slaves who don't follow football. Why that innocent series of events required a full on hate campaign and media storm I have no idea. People are so soft today that almost anything that slightly offends them requires complete outrage rather an a measured "you may wish to rethink this" response. I don’t believe that for one minute As a man I’ll bet everybody on here thought straight away about Hillsboro so I’m pretty sure those at topman would also know
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Post by Widget123 on Mar 16, 2018 15:26:18 GMT
The fact that it got approved etc is surely innocent but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the original design was made by a twisted ManU fan leaving just enough doubt to get it through... the red, the 96.. the red rose (symbol of Lancashire).. I don’t believe that for one minute. As a man I’ll bet everybody on here thought straight away about Hillsboro so I’m pretty sure those at topman would also know. That's the thing though - assume that those in the process know as little about football as you know much - its a polar opposite. Equally think of the age groups involved in fashion - they most likely simply don't care about football or have the knowledge of events of nearly 30 years ago. Add into the equation people half was around the world producing the actual products and most likely the designs as well and its again less likely to be a huge conspiracy and evil plot. I personally don't for a second think anyone would, knowing about Hillsborough, risk their careers by putting together something so "controversial" it simply doesn't happen. Call it naive but its certainly wasn't intentional. All that aside I truly don't get the visceral anger about a t-shirt - I understand the case and the corruption which has come to light and that those closest to the events in 1989 might find it distasteful, but I despair about the wider society these days which is so full of fragile souls who seemingly exist to simply whinge, moan and scream about anything and everything. This isn't just this case but its everywhere - it seems social media has turned humanity into a bunch of whinging cry babies who can so barely cope with existing in the outside world that they need such stupid shit as "safe spaces". People are so oversensitive and needy its almost as if society is devolving. /Rant. ;D
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 16, 2018 15:52:13 GMT
I can understand genuine Merseyside folk and Liverpool fans being upset when they feel that there is an abuse of their memories, but the Retailer says the references here relate to a Bob Marley track released in that year.
Why do Liverpool fans feel that this shirt and other items are automatically about them?
Can't the rest of us just get on our with our lives and be spared the howls of anguish from Merseyside whenever the subject is raised. As many fans of other clubs like to say. "Always the victims. Never your fault".
At least fans of clubs like Bradford City manage to maintain solemn respect when remembering the 1985 Valley Parade fire, which significantly killed 56 people, and we don't have this perpetual hysteria about being so unfortunate and misunderstood. And when did you last hear a mention of the 1971 Ibrox Stadium disaster, when 66 people lost their lives?
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Post by chipsaway on Mar 16, 2018 16:08:11 GMT
I can understand genuine Merseyside folk and Liverpool fans being upset when they feel that there is an abuse of their memories, but the Retailer says the references here relate to a Bob Marley track released in that year. Why do Liverpool fans feel that this shirt and other items are automatically about them? Can't the rest of us just get on our with our lives and be spared the howls of anguish from Merseyside whenever the subject is raised. As many fans of other clubs like to say. "Always the victims. Never your fault". At least fans of clubs like Bradford City manage to maintain solemn respect when remembering the 1985 Valley Parade fire, which significantly killed 56 people, and we don't have this perpetual hysteria about being so unfortunate and misunderstood. And when did you last hear a mention of the 1971 Ibrox Stadium disaster, when 66 people lost their lives? I think it runs a bit deeper than being 'misunderstood' though. Hillsborough was a massive and deliberate cover up where the police specifically tried to blame the victims. And it took decades for the truth to eventually be revealed.
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Post by Davef on Mar 16, 2018 16:23:20 GMT
I can understand genuine Merseyside folk and Liverpool fans being upset when they feel that there is an abuse of their memories, but the Retailer says the references here relate to a Bob Marley track released in that year. Why do Liverpool fans feel that this shirt and other items are automatically about them? Can't the rest of us just get on our with our lives and be spared the howls of anguish from Merseyside whenever the subject is raised. As many fans of other clubs like to say. "Always the victims. Never your fault". At least fans of clubs like Bradford City manage to maintain solemn respect when remembering the 1985 Valley Parade fire, which significantly killed 56 people, and we don't have this perpetual hysteria about being so unfortunate and misunderstood. And when did you last hear a mention of the 1971 Ibrox Stadium disaster, when 66 people lost their lives? I think it runs a bit deeper than being 'misunderstood' though. Hillsborough was a massive and deliberate cover up where the police specifically tried to blame the victims. And it took decades for the truth to eventually be revealed. It's incredible that this has to be explained to people.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 16, 2018 16:44:42 GMT
Yes I understand it and sympathise to some extent. My issue is how much the Scousers seem take every opportunity to ram their views and comments on an historical event of more than 20 years ago down our throats. Even whenever there is an incident or event that might possibly be linked to them, even if the reality of that is questionable and probably nothing to do with Liverpool at all.
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2018 17:13:54 GMT
Yes I understand it and sympathise to some extent. My issue is how much the Scousers seem take every opportunity to ram their views and comments on an historical event of more than 20 years ago down our throats. Even whenever there is an incident or event that might possibly be linked to them, even if the reality of that is questionable and probably nothing to do with Liverpool at all. I don’t think you do understand in all honesty That follow up reply confirms it
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 16, 2018 17:45:02 GMT
The fact that it got approved etc is surely innocent but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the original design was made by a twisted ManU fan leaving just enough doubt to get it through... the red, the 96.. the red rose (symbol of Lancashire).. I don’t believe that for one minute. As a man I’ll bet everybody on here thought straight away about Hillsboro so I’m pretty sure those at topman would also know. That's the thing though - assume that those in the process know as little about football as you know much - its a polar opposite. Equally think of the age groups involved in fashion - they most likely simply don't care about football or have the knowledge of events of nearly 30 years ago. Add into the equation people half was around the world producing the actual products and most likely the designs as well and its again less likely to be a huge conspiracy and evil plot. I personally don't for a second think anyone would, knowing about Hillsborough, risk their careers by putting together something so "controversial" it simply doesn't happen. Call it naive but its certainly wasn't intentional. Wtf are you talking about? Who's talking about a huge conspiracy or an evil plot? "risking their careers"? Are you under the impression this design is the work of some crack professional in Top Man's studio design headquarters? It's some freelance kid in his bedroom with access to Photoshop and a dumb chip on his shoulder. Or it could be. It's really not a difficult thing to believe.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 16, 2018 17:53:43 GMT
That's the thing though - assume that those in the process know as little about football as you know much - its a polar opposite. Equally think of the age groups involved in fashion - they most likely simply don't care about football or have the knowledge of events of nearly 30 years ago. Add into the equation people half was around the world producing the actual products and most likely the designs as well and its again less likely to be a huge conspiracy and evil plot. I personally don't for a second think anyone would, knowing about Hillsborough, risk their careers by putting together something so "controversial" it simply doesn't happen. Call it naive but its certainly wasn't intentional. Wtf are you talking about? Who's talking about a huge conspiracy or an evil plot? "risking their careers"? Are you under the impression this design is the work of some crack professional in Top Man's studio design headquarters? It's some freelance kid in his bedroom with access to Photoshop and a dumb chip on his shoulder. Or it could be. It's really not a difficult thing to believe. It could easily be either. What it definitely is a fucking wank shirt.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 16, 2018 17:59:18 GMT
The Bob Marley suggestion is ridiculous, that's not even the name of the song
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 19:44:49 GMT
Some are not happy until they FIND something to offend them what a load of bollocks.
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Post by Widget123 on Mar 16, 2018 19:50:11 GMT
That's the thing though - assume that those in the process know as little about football as you know much - its a polar opposite. Equally think of the age groups involved in fashion - they most likely simply don't care about football or have the knowledge of events of nearly 30 years ago. Add into the equation people half was around the world producing the actual products and most likely the designs as well and its again less likely to be a huge conspiracy and evil plot. I personally don't for a second think anyone would, knowing about Hillsborough, risk their careers by putting together something so "controversial" it simply doesn't happen. Call it naive but its certainly wasn't intentional. Wtf are you talking about? Who's talking about a huge conspiracy or an evil plot? "risking their careers"? Are you under the impression this design is the work of some crack professional in Top Man's studio design headquarters? It's some freelance kid in his bedroom with access to Photoshop and a dumb chip on his shoulder. Or it could be. It's really not a difficult thing to believe. National size companies don't get design work done by "freelance kids in bedrooms", either with or without "chips on their shoulders". Read my comment again all I state is that this is clearly (imo!) a completely naive error by some non-football following fashion designers either in the UK or abroad. The idea that it was a deliberate attempt by persons or persons unknown to upset people is a conspiracy. That's the definition of one: a subterfuge act maliciously designed to hide the truth. Unless you think Mugatu from Zoolander was involved? Look I'm not picking on you (or anyone else) frankly I have more concerns about tomorrow's game than this T-shirt.
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