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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 6, 2018 21:58:53 GMT
You still haven’t told me what he does exactly. He’s still at Liverpool because he’s happy to be a bit part player and Allen wasn’t. He won’t get near the team next season if he’s still there. The Liverpool fans I know treat him as a joke. When he's fit he gets plenty of game time for Liverpool because Klopp rates him highly. He has a good engine, he breaks up play well and keeps the ball ticking over and has a better range of passing than he's given credit for. He isn't the box to box type player that you describe him as and he is in the same mould as our Joe but is a better player than him. He's a good solid premier league midfielder and to suggest he wouldn't get into our side is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t see what he does better than Joe. He’s not as mobile, he doesn’t put his stamp on games, he’s a nothing player. When does he break up play well? Who does he get in that Liverpool midfield ahead of? They’ve got an expensive new holding midfielder coming next season. The Ox looks a much more dynamic prospect. Wijnaldum is too.
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Post by norman conquest on Mar 6, 2018 22:00:58 GMT
Glad its not just me, when Sunderland sold him i couldnt believe how much bollox was spouted about him being the next Steven Gerrard and future England captain, he also talks a load of shite too.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 6, 2018 22:20:46 GMT
When he's fit he gets plenty of game time for Liverpool because Klopp rates him highly. He has a good engine, he breaks up play well and keeps the ball ticking over and has a better range of passing than he's given credit for. He isn't the box to box type player that you describe him as and he is in the same mould as our Joe but is a better player than him. He's a good solid premier league midfielder and to suggest he wouldn't get into our side is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t see what he does better than Joe. He’s not as mobile, he doesn’t put his stamp on games, he’s a nothing player. When does he break up play well? Who does he get in that Liverpool midfield ahead of? They’ve got an expensive new holding midfielder coming next season. The Ox looks a much more dynamic prospect. Wijnaldum is too. I don't think Henderson is by any means amazing but I would swap him for Allen anyday. He's a far better passer of the ball than Allen. Unfortunately Allen loses possession and gets knocked off the ball too easily to make it at the top level. I would also say that Henderson is a more creative player with a greater sense of vision than Joe, even though he is categorised as a workman-like type of player. I think if you look at stats (and I know they don't tell everything) but I was looking at them last season and I was surprised that Henderson was top of the Premiership table in successful pass completions, top of the highest average pass distance and the midfielder who had made the most successful tackles and interceptions. He was also second in the most successful forward passes. You can't be top of those three lists in the Prem and be crap.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 22:28:57 GMT
When on form..he is an excellent player who can change things
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 22:34:56 GMT
When he's fit he gets plenty of game time for Liverpool because Klopp rates him highly. He has a good engine, he breaks up play well and keeps the ball ticking over and has a better range of passing than he's given credit for. He isn't the box to box type player that you describe him as and he is in the same mould as our Joe but is a better player than him. He's a good solid premier league midfielder and to suggest he wouldn't get into our side is absolutely ridiculous. I don’t see what he does better than Joe. He’s not as mobile, he doesn’t put his stamp on games, he’s a nothing player. When does he break up play well? Who does he get in that Liverpool midfield ahead of? They’ve got an expensive new holding midfielder coming next season. The Ox looks a much more dynamic prospect. Wijnaldum is too. He out performs Joe Allen in every single aspect of the game bar goal scoring but he's doing it at a higher level than Joe Allen. Oxlade Chamberlain and Wijnaldum are two completely different types of midfielder than Henderson. They are both attacking midfielders so are bound to look more dynamic than him. Don't get me wrong I'm not for one minute suggesting that Henderson is some sort of world beating midfield player, but he is better than a lot of people give him credit for and all his knockers on here would change their minds if he ever signed for us.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 6, 2018 22:59:19 GMT
I don’t see what he does better than Joe. He’s not as mobile, he doesn’t put his stamp on games, he’s a nothing player. When does he break up play well? Who does he get in that Liverpool midfield ahead of? They’ve got an expensive new holding midfielder coming next season. The Ox looks a much more dynamic prospect. Wijnaldum is too. He out performs Joe Allen in every single aspect of the game bar goal scoring but he's doing it at a higher level than Joe Allen. Oxlade Chamberlain and Wijnaldum are two completely different types of midfielder than Henderson. They are both attacking midfielders so are bound to look more dynamic than him. Don't get me wrong I'm not for one minute suggesting that Henderson is some sort of world beating midfield player, but he is better than a lot of people give him credit for and all his knockers on here would change their minds if he ever signed for us. They’re all competing for a place in Liverpool’s midfield three. Henderson isn’t an attacking midfielder but he sure as shit isn’t a holding player.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 6, 2018 23:31:53 GMT
Everything that is wrong with English football. Bang avarage player lauded as world class, not fit to lace Paul Scholes boots. I don't think I've ever seen anyone refer to him as world class tbh.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 7, 2018 9:37:16 GMT
There is one way to stop him playing foe England,sign for Stoke, or any bottom 8 Premiership side.
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Post by marrer on Mar 7, 2018 9:52:44 GMT
He would walk into our side. So would Berahino cos he certainly wouldn't run 😎
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 7, 2018 10:28:00 GMT
Headless Chicken.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 7, 2018 10:33:13 GMT
I don’t see what he does better than Joe. He’s not as mobile, he doesn’t put his stamp on games, he’s a nothing player. When does he break up play well? Who does he get in that Liverpool midfield ahead of? They’ve got an expensive new holding midfielder coming next season. The Ox looks a much more dynamic prospect. Wijnaldum is too. He out performs Joe Allen in every single aspect of the game bar goal scoring but he's doing it at a higher level than Joe Allen. Oxlade Chamberlain and Wijnaldum are two completely different types of midfielder than Henderson. They are both attacking midfielders so are bound to look more dynamic than him. Don't get me wrong I'm not for one minute suggesting that Henderson is some sort of world beating midfield player, but he is better than a lot of people give him credit for and all his knockers on here would change their minds if he ever signed for us. That's reasonable, I think. It was more a knock on Durham raving about him than anything else. He does the same with Carrick. I think Dembele pisses on both of them, personally.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 7, 2018 11:00:40 GMT
He out performs Joe Allen in every single aspect of the game bar goal scoring but he's doing it at a higher level than Joe Allen. Oxlade Chamberlain and Wijnaldum are two completely different types of midfielder than Henderson. They are both attacking midfielders so are bound to look more dynamic than him. Don't get me wrong I'm not for one minute suggesting that Henderson is some sort of world beating midfield player, but he is better than a lot of people give him credit for and all his knockers on here would change their minds if he ever signed for us. That's reasonable, I think. It was more a knock on Durham raving about him than anything else. He does the same with Carrick. I think Dembele pisses on both of them, personally. We will see his so called creativity at its finest against Tunisia and Panama. He is just an average player.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 7, 2018 11:12:04 GMT
That's reasonable, I think. It was more a knock on Durham raving about him than anything else. He does the same with Carrick. I think Dembele pisses on both of them, personally. We will see his so called creativity at its finest against Tunisia and Panama. He is just an average player. Like most English players. They disappear at big tournaments.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Mar 7, 2018 12:44:19 GMT
Was talking to a scouse mate of mine a few days back and he was saying he thought Henderson would be sold this summer, with Keita arriving for big money etc. We were already on about Butland moving to Liverpool and I joked we could take Henderson & Ings as part of the transfer. I'd do it tbh. We will lose Butland anyway and getting those two to replace a couple or more of ours would be spectacular business. Henderson and Ings in Some of; Affelay, Fletcher, Adam, Ireland and Crouch out Though I wonder if any of Crouch, Fletcher or Adam would be open to coaching at Stoke?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 12:44:46 GMT
He out performs Joe Allen in every single aspect of the game bar goal scoring but he's doing it at a higher level than Joe Allen. Oxlade Chamberlain and Wijnaldum are two completely different types of midfielder than Henderson. They are both attacking midfielders so are bound to look more dynamic than him. Don't get me wrong I'm not for one minute suggesting that Henderson is some sort of world beating midfield player, but he is better than a lot of people give him credit for and all his knockers on here would change their minds if he ever signed for us. That's reasonable, I think. It was more a knock on Durham raving about him than anything else. He does the same with Carrick. I think Dembele pisses on both of them, personally. Dembele is a better player I can't argue with that.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Mar 7, 2018 13:14:02 GMT
He would walk into our side. Would he? What does he do? What does Joe Allen do? Other than run around like a headless chicken.
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Post by Godo on Mar 7, 2018 17:11:32 GMT
Very overrated. Can't tackle well enough to be a holding midfielder. Limited range of passing and technically too limited to be further up the field. No I don't get it either........and he talks like that fake tape of the Yorkshire ripper!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2018 17:21:29 GMT
Would he? What does he do? What does Joe Allen do? Other than run around like a headless chicken. Seriously? Headless chickens don't have a purpose. Allen's scampering forward is currently one of the few pressure valves we have. He always wants the ball and looks to drive forward. He pops up in the box late to get on the end of things and he can knock in a decent ball as well. Only five players in the entire league have made more tackles. Only Shaqiri has created more chances for Stoke. He's been one of the few good things about an entirely miserable season.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 7, 2018 18:02:21 GMT
Was talking to a scouse mate of mine a few days back and he was saying he thought Henderson would be sold this summer, with Keita arriving for big money etc. We were already on about Butland moving to Liverpool and I joked we could take Henderson & Ings as part of the transfer. I'd do it tbh. The problem is that when people make these statements they don't consider the fact that players like these, in particular Henderson, would never want to come to us. So called top players we have attracted, I believe, come to us to advertise themselves in the Premier window or for the wages. They certainly wouldn't look at us if we go down. Just a thought, wouldn't it be class that written into players contracts that players remain with a team for one season after relegation, that would sort the men from the boys.
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Post by hoofmagic on Mar 7, 2018 18:10:31 GMT
IMO henderson is just a side-ways crap player,give me allen any time.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 7, 2018 19:36:56 GMT
The fact he will be the mainstay of the England midfield at the World Cup is laughable.
Problem is there is nobody else available. Our central midfielders have disappeared since the last WC
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2018 21:16:23 GMT
IMO henderson is just a side-ways crap player,give me allen any time. didnt you see some of his forward long accurate passing at the weekend?
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 7, 2018 21:30:22 GMT
I couldn't tell you much about what sort of a player Jordan Henderson is, because I can honestly say that I don't think I've ever actually noticed him playing. A quick look at the Liverpool supporters' forum, however, seems to suggest that they think relatively highly of him, asides from his injuries. www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=329699.3880
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