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Post by thegift on Mar 6, 2018 14:14:37 GMT
Do you reckon players in the premier league suffer this kind of guilt? Charlie adam's double peno miss, butlands error, do they go home and watch it on the tv?
Do they feel the disappointment that us fans feel when we go home after a game?
I'm not talking about in game, where its clear butland managed to get it out of his head against leicester and make 4 or 5 crucial saves after it, I'm talking about after the game has finished, at home in front of the TV, going out for a few drinks with family etc.
Or do you reckon its forgotten about the second the final whistle goes, or is there more too it?
This isn't just about stoke players either, i just used there example as it was very recent.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 6, 2018 14:18:08 GMT
Would you feel embarrassed if you'd made a mistake and millions of people were watching it and tweeting you about it and what not?
I would.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 6, 2018 14:18:25 GMT
I bet they do. Jack will have nightmares about that gaffe - there's a world cup coming up and he's doing himself no favours. Southgate went to watch Burnley Everton at the weekend where both keepers are probably ahead of Butland in the pecking order now...
Even at my very low level, after every game I played I would run through the good and the bad things that I did for days.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 6, 2018 14:22:29 GMT
I suspect one of the keys to success as a professional sportsperson is to have the mental fortitude to recover after your mistakes and not allow them to affect you too badly.
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Post by thegift on Mar 6, 2018 14:22:59 GMT
Would you feel embarrassed if you'd made a mistake and millions of people were watching it and tweeting you about it and what not? I would. The feeling must be horrible. But they don't really tweet back about it or say much, some would think it doesn't bother them. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 6, 2018 14:35:07 GMT
Would you feel embarrassed if you'd made a mistake and millions of people were watching it and tweeting you about it and what not? I would. The feeling must be horrible. But they don't really tweet back about it or say much, some would think it doesn't bother them. I would have thought that if your mistakes genuinely did bother you then avoiding social media would be one of the best things you could do. In fact an awful lot of them could do the world a favour by staying off social media completely. I don't really care about how many water bottles they can kick of a treatment table with a single kung fu kick, what car they're driving, whether thy can rap like Jaz-Z or how big their curiously orange skinned wife's tits are. I don't even want to hear how "gutted" they are about last weeks defeat at [insert relevant football ground]. I want to see a full shift come Saturday and I'll judge from that whether they care or not - nothing less but nothing more. |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 6, 2018 14:42:57 GMT
The feeling must be horrible. But they don't really tweet back about it or say much, some would think it doesn't bother them. I would have thought that if your mistakes genuinely did bother you then avoiding social media would be one of the best things you could do. In fact an awful lot of them could do the world a favour by staying off social media completely. I don't really care about how many water bottles they can kick of a treatment table with a single kung fu kick, what car they're driving, whether thy can rap like Jaz-Z or how big their curiously orange skinned wife's tits are. I don't even want to hear how "gutted" they are about last weeks defeat at [insert relevant football ground]. I want to see a full shift come Saturday and I'll judge from that whether they care or not - nothing less but nothing more. Must admit my interest is somewhat piqued by the big orange tits |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 6, 2018 14:51:45 GMT
Would you feel embarrassed if you'd made a mistake and millions of people were watching it and tweeting you about it and what not? I would. The feeling must be horrible. But they don't really tweet back about it or say much, some would think it doesn't bother them. Judging by some of the idiots who were tweeting Jack after his mistake, it's probably for the best. |
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Post by thegift on Mar 6, 2018 14:57:25 GMT
The feeling must be horrible. But they don't really tweet back about it or say much, some would think it doesn't bother them. Judging by some of the idiots who were tweeting Jack after his mistake, it's probably for the best. A lot of it was frustration. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 15:11:51 GMT
“WE all make mistakes ....it’s what we do with ourselves after those mistakes “
I don’t suppose dwelling too long on those times helps much with confidence. But, I’d imagine guilt would be there for a few moments immediately after. surely it’s only natural.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 6, 2018 15:15:01 GMT
You could see at the end of the game Jack was pissed off at himself, he cares - that's enough for me at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 15:30:06 GMT
I think all players are just as into the game as we are. Footballers certainly expend more effort physically and mentally to win a game than fans do (with the exception of Chelsea at City).
When we won the pen vs Brighton, Saido dropped to his knees screaming 'get in', Butland routinely goes mental when we score and looked distraught after the Leicester goal.
They'll all feel guilty when they miss and pissed when we lose. Look at Shaq's (completely understandable) reaction to players paying poorly around him on Saturday.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 6, 2018 17:13:31 GMT
There is no better motivation than embarrassment.
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Post by thegift on Mar 7, 2018 15:48:41 GMT
There is no better motivation than embarrassment. Tell charlie adam that. |
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Post by colinroberts1 on Mar 7, 2018 16:28:35 GMT
There is no better motivation than embarrassment. Tell charlie adam that. Pissa that is 🤗 |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 7, 2018 18:10:08 GMT
Maybe we are in the bottom 3 because the players are spending too much time worrying about their errors instead of sorting them out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
I still remember a balls-up I made at Centre Half when I was 16, letting the opposition clean through to score. It was around the 2nd-3rd minute.
We went on to win 3-1. But it still haunts me to this day 👍😐
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Mar 7, 2018 22:20:52 GMT
I would hope some of the players give more of a fuck than they are credited for. If they didn't we would be down already.
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Post by Linx on Mar 7, 2018 22:59:41 GMT
Charlie Adam has cost us 3 points. One from his inexplicable backpass that gifted Newcastle a winning goal; two from the penalty against Brighton that he should have let Jese take.. Butland throwing the ball into his own net cost us the two points that would have consolidated a midtable position. Basically we wouldn't be in this mess and Lambert's rescue strategy would be on course.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:10:42 GMT
I suspect one of the keys to success as a professional sportsperson is to have the mental fortitude to recover after your mistakes and not allow them to affect you too badly. Spot on. Whatever the sport, a pro must be able to "put it behind him/her" and carry on. If they dwell on the poor performances they are dead. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 7, 2018 23:12:23 GMT
Charlie Adam has cost us 3 points. One from his inexplicable backpass that gifted Newcastle a winning goal; two from the penalty against Brighton that he should have let Jese take.. Butland throwing the ball into his own net cost us the two points that would have consolidated a midtable position. Basically we wouldn't be in this mess and Lambert's rescue strategy would be on course. If you go through the season you could probably put blame on every single player in our team for losing points. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 7, 2018 23:13:34 GMT
Charlie Adam has cost us 3 points. One from his inexplicable backpass that gifted Newcastle a winning goal; two from the penalty against Brighton that he should have let Jese take.. Butland throwing the ball into his own net cost us the two points that would have consolidated a midtable position. Basically we wouldn't be in this mess and Lambert's rescue strategy would be on course. Plus vs Newcastle the ball was lost on the halfway line. It wasn't a back pass. |
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Post by Linx on Mar 7, 2018 23:37:11 GMT
Charlie Adam has cost us 3 points. One from his inexplicable backpass that gifted Newcastle a winning goal; two from the penalty against Brighton that he should have let Jese take.. Butland throwing the ball into his own net cost us the two points that would have consolidated a midtable position. Basically we wouldn't be in this mess and Lambert's rescue strategy would be on course. Plus vs Newcastle the ball was lost on the halfway line. It wasn't a back pass. He passed the ball to a Newcastle player who was standing closer to the Stoke goal than himself. It might have been more sideways than backwards, but he still passed it to the wrong player. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 7, 2018 23:59:09 GMT
Plus vs Newcastle the ball was lost on the halfway line. It wasn't a back pass. He passed the ball to a Newcastle player who was standing closer to the Stoke goal than himself. It might have been more sideways than backwards, but he still passed it to the wrong player. He passed it sideways on the halfway line! He lost the ball but Cameron was more to blame. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 8, 2018 0:34:22 GMT
Do you reckon players in the premier league suffer this kind of guilt? Charlie adam's double peno miss, butlands error, do they go home and watch it on the tv? Do they feel the disappointment that us fans feel when we go home after a game? I'm not talking about in game, where its clear butland managed to get it out of his head against leicester and make 4 or 5 crucial saves after it, I'm talking about after the game has finished, at home in front of the TV, going out for a few drinks with family etc. Or do you reckon its forgotten about the second the final whistle goes, or is there more too it? This isn't just about stoke players either, i just used there example as it was very recent. I'm sure they do, IlSurely most of us think about mistakes made at work and regret them. I used to referee and I remember thinking about a mistake until I'd got through another game. It would be nice to think Premier referees thought the same way. If I made a particularly bad decision I would apologise as soon as I realised a mistake had been made. That was usually when I had not allowed an advantage. I remember refereeing a school's girls v boys game. There used be three games a year and I refereed them all, the girls never scored never mind won. After two seasons of games I was refereeing my seventh match, during the game the girls were about 30 yards out and attacking when the girl in possession was wiped out by a defender, I was concerned that the girl was hurt not realising the ball had run to her team mate. I blew the whistle as the team mate put her foot through the ball and watched the ball hit the back of the net. I was gutted, made to feel worse when the 'injured' girl stood up and bollocked me. I still think about it today. I can also playing as a defender and missing a tackle nothing came of it but I've not forgotten because it should have been a piece of cake, I also remember making a poor pass when I could of put a forward in on goal. Anybody worth his salt should regret mistakes they make. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 6:12:41 GMT
Yeah they definitely do, or at least some do.
I watched the Man city Documentary 92:30 or something.
It featured lescott saying he's never watched the match back because he can't bear it. (If you remember he had a bit of a howler)
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Post by thegift on Mar 8, 2018 11:38:02 GMT
Yeah they definitely do, or at least some do. I watched the Man city Documentary 92:30 or something. It featured lescott saying he's never watched the match back because he can't bear it. (If you remember he had a bit of a howler) Where can i find this mate? |
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Post by skelman on Mar 8, 2018 12:07:25 GMT
There is no better motivation than embarrassment. Tell charlie adam that. Charlie embarrassed? Ffck nae! He goes home has a haggis and 10 pints of Wee Heavy (90/-), slaps the cat, ffcks the missus and sleeps happily ever after!  At least we think it's in that order! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 12:20:18 GMT
Yeah they definitely do, or at least some do. I watched the Man city Documentary 92:30 or something. It featured lescott saying he's never watched the match back because he can't bear it. (If you remember he had a bit of a howler) Where can i find this mate? It's about 9-11 mins in i think: |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 8, 2018 12:54:50 GMT
I suspect one of the keys to success as a professional sportsperson is to have the mental fortitude to recover after your mistakes and not allow them to affect you too badly. It is. Buto's response to his costly boo boo has been fantastic imho. Imho it increases his worth too. Not everyone handles the adversity so well though. After wasting the chance v Liverpool Shaw seemed to be carrying a load of coal on his back. Ditto Paterson v Cardiff. |
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