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Post by jarhead on Mar 3, 2018 19:33:05 GMT
So why are we taking forwards off and replacing them with left backs? Jese for Diouf would've been fine. Our forwards are mostly crap but Lambert is shitting himself too much. Correct, it was a Simple sub without pissing about with to many positions and trying to be clever plus wasting another sub.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 3, 2018 19:35:31 GMT
2 up top, simple as that. crouch berahino etc, I'm boring myself typing this stuff. Only works if you’ve got 2 decent strikers who can play together I’d prefer we just went 4231 with a front 4 of Shaq, Jesé, Ramadan and one from Diouf, Crouch, Choupa and Berahino.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 3, 2018 19:48:03 GMT
Lambert isn't the answer but even with his modest record is showing what a useless bastard Hughes became. What Hughes left us with is pound for pound a hugely shittier shit sandwich than what Tone left us with. Hughes left us with a picnic basket full of utter shit, the man has fucked this club up yet some were still backing the twat up until he was sacked. I count myself in that group carp, well at least at the end of last season anyway. I thought he would turn it around. What a daft twat.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2018 19:50:55 GMT
Hughes left us with a picnic basket full of utter shit, the man has fucked this club up yet some were still backing the twat up until he was sacked. I count myself in that group carp, well at least at the end of last season anyway. I thought he would turn it around. What a daft twat. Clearly
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 3, 2018 19:53:58 GMT
2 up top, simple as that. crouch berahino etc, I'm boring myself typing this stuff. Only works if you’ve got 2 decent strikers who can play together I’d prefer we just went 4231 with a front 4 of Shaq, Jesé, Ramadan and one from Diouf, Crouch, Choupa and Berahino. Trouble is, none of the '1's are good enough. They all need multiple chances and we don't create them. We can't cross a ball to save our lives, either.
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Post by Godo on Mar 3, 2018 20:03:41 GMT
Mr Lambert wasn't my first choice....or my 10th. ....for the job but he's doing the best he can with a pretty shit squad and I wish some of the arses with a pro Pulis or pro Hughes agenda or with delusions about our status would shut the fuck up. So he substituted Diouf for Pieters - well he probably knows that Crouch wasn't up to more than 45 mins. So Berahino didn't feature well that's probably because he's decided he's a waster - 3rd experienced manager in a row to come to that conclusion. He sees the players all week and selects the ones who look like they'll do the best job based on their performances, application and attitude. He's got 6 or 7 players in his squad of the appropriate standard and 2 of them, Zouma and Stafy are on loan so cut the man some slack.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 3, 2018 20:08:36 GMT
So why are we taking forwards off and replacing them with left backs? Jese for Diouf would've been fine. Our forwards are mostly crap but Lambert is shitting himself too much. I think that Lambert must have reckoned that neither Crouch or Jese were fit enough to last the rest of the game from that point in time. It's the only way I can rationalise the decision! That's what he said in an interview after. Given that, it seems strange Ramadan wasn't on the bench, but maybe he's not impressing in training.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 3, 2018 20:11:45 GMT
He is sorting the defence well but to keep us up he needs to start attacking . Swans were looking shit up front but by attacking teams they are climbing out of the bottom and you woukd have said they had no decent forwards a few weeks ago
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 3, 2018 20:14:15 GMT
If Shaq isn't "useful" I don't know what is!
After the match today, Lambert said: "I thought we had the better of the first half and had the better opportunities, but in the second 45 we really had to dig deep".
I tend to agree. We looked threatening on the break in the first half, although Southampton just got stronger throughout the whole match and totally dominated the last quarter.
That tells me bringing Jese and Crouch on did not do a lot for us, in fact we got worse.
Ramadan has not impressed all season, although he will work harder than Choupo. Substituting Pieters for Diouf might have seemed strange, but Southampton were doing a lot of attacking down their right wing and Choupo was not helping out. So it was quite logical to strengthen the our left side and move Choupo into the middle. Next time I would prefer he gives Ramadan another chance.
The only forward who is impressing/performing is Shaq. We have to build the team around him. Let him have free reign to go where he wants and finds he can get the most room to attack.
Opponents go straight through our MF. We need to bolster it more, but that might be at the expense of Diouf. The ManC match is an opportunity to experiment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 21:12:21 GMT
2 up top, simple as that. crouch berahino etc, I'm boring myself typing this stuff. I don't think we can go 2 up top. We simply don't have the legs in midfield to get away with it. Though at some point towards the business end of the season we may not have the choice. That's quite a sensible outlook. I think it's one of those situations where we have to forfeit clean sheets and try and outscore the opponent, maybe it would work maybe it wouldn't. What I do know is that we aren't scoring in the present system and 0-0's aren't going to keep us up are they!
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Post by bergenstokie on Mar 3, 2018 22:25:44 GMT
Spot on. Support our team with all you got, that's what matters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 22:26:50 GMT
I don't think we can go 2 up top. We simply don't have the legs in midfield to get away with it. Though at some point towards the business end of the season we may not have the choice. That's quite a sensible outlook. I think it's one of those situations where we have to forfeit clean sheets and try and outscore the opponent, maybe it would work maybe it wouldn't. What I do know is that we aren't scoring in the present system and 0-0's aren't going to keep us up are they! We could go 2 up top if we played 3-5-2.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 23:09:44 GMT
That's quite a sensible outlook. I think it's one of those situations where we have to forfeit clean sheets and try and outscore the opponent, maybe it would work maybe it wouldn't. What I do know is that we aren't scoring in the present system and 0-0's aren't going to keep us up are they! We could go 2 up top if we played 3-5-2..... I suppose we've got the players for it now, I could live with it: - Martins Indi for Wimmer - Stafyladis for peiters - Bauer for Edwards. I could live with it but we'd absolutely get twatted down the wings in that system.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 3, 2018 23:14:35 GMT
Its lamberts fault we didn't sign another striker just as much as the board Please explain FFS simply for the thousands who knew full well that we needed a forward/striker for over 12 months. Don’t let any agenda blur your answer
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Post by jeycov on Mar 4, 2018 8:20:14 GMT
Its lamberts fault we didn't sign another striker just as much as the board Potential players have to want to come here Who knows how near we were to signing a forward?
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 4, 2018 10:16:31 GMT
2 up top, simple as that. crouch berahino etc, I'm boring myself typing this stuff. It isn't as simple as that though is it? 2 up top and we get overrun in midfield- we've seen that happen already. 2 up top means Shaq being stuck out wide with more defensive responsibility- wouldn't help anyone, that. 4-3-3 is fine away from home. It means we're hard to score against and can grind out results. At home against lesser teams we do need to attack more, but 4-4-2 isn't the answer.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2018 12:03:38 GMT
Please explain FFS simply for the thousands who knew full well that we needed a forward/striker for over 12 months. Don’t let any agenda blur your answer We were trying to get a striker was it Danny ings? Failed. The board wanted Homegrown. Due to next season lack of. Eggs in one basket again, strange most of the clubs around us managed to sign strikers but we didn't
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 16:52:51 GMT
2 up top, simple as that. crouch berahino etc, I'm boring myself typing this stuff. It isn't as simple as that though is it? 2 up top and we get overrun in midfield- we've seen that happen already. 2 up top means Shaq being stuck out wide with more defensive responsibility- wouldn't help anyone, that. 4-3-3 is fine away from home. It means we're hard to score against and can grind out results. At home against lesser teams we do need to attack more, but 4-4-2 isn't the answer. Well it is if you want to score goals gamble and stay up. 0-0's are of no use to us anymore. We get flooded in midfield anyway and we were fortunate to get away with yesterday. Also on show yesterday was Jese being totally isolated in the formation, I think he'd be better trying to get past his man and same for shaq. Maybe there's more gain to Shaq just not being up to it defensively, like being able to use Sohbi Jese Shaq/ Diouf to put balls in the box. Maybe I'm wrong, but the turgid shite that PL has been pumping out (barre Huddersfield at home) won't win us games. We have the players for 2 up top and wingbacks now which I've conceded elsewhere would work. But we also have the players for 442 and we're past the time for not trying to win games.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 18:44:01 GMT
Lambert has organised some half decent defenders to keep clean sheets Lambert has found three midfielders who don;t let the opposition completely over run us But I would love some of the moaners to explain how he can get us scoring goals Have you seen what he has to work with? Would any of our forward players get into another Premier League team as a starter? Have you seen their shooting before the start of each game? He has to work with what he has and up front that really isn't much So why has he stated that Berahino is a natural finisher then he can't even make the squad He was probably talking directly to the player, trying to build up his confidence. Then he found that had absolutely no impact on Berahino, so now the shoe's on the other foot, and he's trying to tell him, and us, that he needs to work on his fitness first. I seriously doubt it will work, but given our limited options, you have to hope it will. Any word on how long Diouf will be out? Or does anyone care?
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 4, 2018 18:52:53 GMT
Lambert has organised some half decent defenders to keep clean sheets Lambert has found three midfielders who don;t let the opposition completely over run us But I would love some of the moaners to explain how he can get us scoring goals
Have you seen what he has to work with? Would any of our forward players get into another Premier League team as a starter? Have you seen their shooting before the start of each game? He has to work with what he has and up front that really isn't much Good post. I'm not a moaner - well, except when I'm moaning about us playing with a lone striker. We'll never score the goals we need until we line up to have a go. We need to play two strikers. We saddle ourselves with a disadvantage every time we line up with one up front. It doesn't work.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 4, 2018 19:11:59 GMT
Personally I would stick with 442 just don't think our players believe in the 352 after getting so many beatings. My choice against the big teams coming up would be to lock up one wing and keep it tight maybe even both wings!!
Butland
Bauer,. Zouma,,indi,, pieters
Cameron/diouf Staffy/sobhi Allen,, ndiaye,,.
Shaqiri and one from Jese crouch Choupo. Bera That should be cam or diouf on right mid. Staffy or sobhi on left mid with Allen and ndiaye cm
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Post by superheroantonius on Mar 4, 2018 19:23:55 GMT
Totally agree with the O.P .
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