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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 25, 2018 12:34:01 GMT
It's questionable yes, but I'm not knocking his ability, just his mentality. So you're still maintaining we're better off without Arnie and with Choupo, thus making us a better team?.. you are allowed to say you're wrong you know?! I don't think either have the right mentality to fight for survival. And I'm admitting that I'm wrong when I slagged off players like Whelan and Walters. They're the kind of players we need now with their strong mentality to inspire and lead. But yes I'm probably wrong.
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Post by 3putts on Feb 25, 2018 12:38:24 GMT
were you saying that after his brace v man utd? it was at home but you wont remember as you weren't there. as regarding yesterday yes his tracking back was poor but if he got too close to him it would have been a penalty. that goal was jack butlands fault . besides why the fuck areweexpecting our attackers to be last man defenders? theres helping out and having to do everything. was he shit when he ran the length of the pitch to feed shaq who should have found Campbell for a tap in. fukin internet warriors ripping into our players again it pisses me off
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Post by 3putts on Feb 25, 2018 12:40:05 GMT
So you're still maintaining we're better off without Arnie and with Choupo, thus making us a better team?.. you are allowed to say you're wrong you know?! I don't think either have the right mentality to fight for survival. And I'm admitting that I'm wrong when I slagged off players like Whelan and Walters. They're the kind of players we need now with their strong mentality to inspire and lead. But yes I'm probably wrong. Whelan no a fit sjw yes but he has hardly kicked a ball this season which is why it was the correct decision to move him on.
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 25, 2018 12:45:27 GMT
It probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but I’d seriously consider giving him a go upfront again.
Solely because I would love to see someone up there who has a decent first touch & can make the ball stick. Too often the ball goes forward (albeit aimlessly), and the strikers are sloppy.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 25, 2018 12:54:10 GMT
So you're still maintaining we're better off without Arnie and with Choupo, thus making us a better team?.. you are allowed to say you're wrong you know?! I don't think either have the right mentality to fight for survival. And I'm admitting that I'm wrong when I slagged off players like Whelan and Walters. They're the kind of players we need now with their strong mentality to inspire and lead. But yes I'm probably wrong. Except we wouldn't necessarily be in a relegation fight in the first place with Arnie, as suggested by his previous years here and the points he gained us, which ensured we were nowhere near the bottom three. It becomes a bit of a moot point given we were still victims of thrashings last year but Arnold made sure we won more too to balance it out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:54:24 GMT
It probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but I’d seriously consider giving him a go upfront again. Solely because I would love to see someone up there who has a decent first touch & can make the ball stick. Too often the ball goes forward (albeit aimlessly), and the strikers are sloppy. In games where we're not on the front foot i agree. I think we need a focal point in games like Palace at home etc. But Diouf can't take a touch to save his life, Crouch is far too slow, and Berahino is clearly way out of favour. It's either Saido or Choupo. Neither are really great options in their current form.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:57:13 GMT
So you're still maintaining we're better off without Arnie and with Choupo, thus making us a better team?.. you are allowed to say you're wrong you know?! I don't think either have the right mentality to fight for survival. And I'm admitting that I'm wrong when I slagged off players like Whelan and Walters. They're the kind of players we need now with their strong mentality to inspire and lead. But yes I'm probably wrong. Arnie is perfect for a relegation scrap, he's strong, run's direct with the ball, isn't afraid to shoot and is full of all the 'pashun' bollocks that people like to talk about. He works hard and has the star quality and ability to make his own goals that relegation sides need.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:59:43 GMT
It probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but I’d seriously consider giving him a go upfront again. Solely because I would love to see someone up there who has a decent first touch & can make the ball stick. Too often the ball goes forward (albeit aimlessly), and the strikers are sloppy. By sloppy, I think you might mean technically inept?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 25, 2018 13:01:14 GMT
So you're still maintaining we're better off without Arnie and with Choupo, thus making us a better team?.. you are allowed to say you're wrong you know?! I don't think either have the right mentality to fight for survival. And I'm admitting that I'm wrong when I slagged off players like Whelan and Walters. They're the kind of players we need now with their strong mentality to inspire and lead. But yes I'm probably wrong. That'll do for me
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 25, 2018 13:10:12 GMT
It probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but I’d seriously consider giving him a go upfront again. Solely because I would love to see someone up there who has a decent first touch & can make the ball stick. Too often the ball goes forward (albeit aimlessly), and the strikers are sloppy. By sloppy, I think you might mean technically inept? Ha ha yes. I was being polite.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 25, 2018 14:03:33 GMT
I would take Walters over Choupo Motting any day of the week- scored more goals and actually gave the impression he cared. ECM has ability but never shows it when it's needed. When Guardiola was asked about Silva and De Breune he said that they were the two hardest working players in the team; if Moting took a leaf out of their book then perhaps he might contribute something that gets us a win. I won't hold my breath because you know as well as I do that it just won't happen Contribute something that gets us a win? Short memory? Revisit his goals and assists this season. Like I say, take them away and we are relegated. He doesn’t sprint about like a headless chicken and dive in like a clown but his contribution is vital. Regarding your point about the Man City players..... they are world class and consistent, that’s why they play for Man City and players like choupo, Arni and shaqiri don’t. Look, I can think of 4 goals so you will have to remind me of the 5th? As I remember them 2 goals against Man U ( 1 point), BHA (1 point) and WBA (2nd goal in a 3-1 win), so unless his 5 th goal was a winner somewhere I stand by my point- let's see him do something that wins a game? If you are using stats for your argument make sure that they stand up to scrutiny.
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Post by mrred on Feb 25, 2018 14:19:39 GMT
were you saying that after his brace v man utd? it was at home but you wont remember as you weren't there. as regarding yesterday yes his tracking back was poor but if he got too close to him it would have been a penalty. that goal was jack butlands fault . besides why the fuck areweexpecting our attackers to be last man defenders? theres helping out and having to do everything. was he shit when he ran the length of the pitch to feed shaq who should have found Campbell for a tap in. fukin internet warriors ripping into our players again it pisses me off What I can extract from whatever that is, what I think you're saying is: 1- he only turns up for big games. 2- he's exempt from doing teamwork because he's primarily in an attacking based role. 3- he cant be criticised because he completed part of his job once in 90 minutes.
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Post by UsAndThem on Feb 25, 2018 14:33:52 GMT
Contribute something that gets us a win? Short memory? Revisit his goals and assists this season. Like I say, take them away and we are relegated. He doesn’t sprint about like a headless chicken and dive in like a clown but his contribution is vital. Regarding your point about the Man City players..... they are world class and consistent, that’s why they play for Man City and players like choupo, Arni and shaqiri don’t. Look, I can think of 4 goals so you will have to remind me of the 5th? As I remember them 2 goals against Man U ( 1 point), BHA (1 point) and WBA (2nd goal in a 3-1 win), so unless his 5 th goal was a winner somewhere I stand by my point- let's see him do something that wins a game? If you are using stats for your argument make sure that they stand up to scrutiny. And assists? He also assisted a goal in the 3-1 win v West Brom so you could say he was a match winner in that game. He has an assist in the 2-1 win v Southampton, the assist was for the winner. I could go on. I was using the stats to prove he is not shit and that he has contributed to a third of our goals scored this season. Not to prove he is a ‘match winner’. Take his contributions away and we would already be down. There is no argument against how much he has contributed. He’s the latest in a long line of boo boys for people on here to unfairly put down. Who’s next. At one point N’zonzi and Arnautovic we’re both boo boys on here.
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Post by thehoof on Feb 25, 2018 14:52:08 GMT
Look, I can think of 4 goals so you will have to remind me of the 5th? As I remember them 2 goals against Man U ( 1 point), BHA (1 point) and WBA (2nd goal in a 3-1 win), so unless his 5 th goal was a winner somewhere I stand by my point- let's see him do something that wins a game? If you are using stats for your argument make sure that they stand up to scrutiny. And assists? He also assisted a goal in the 3-1 win v West Brom so you could say he was a match winner in that game. He has an assist in the 2-1 win v Southampton, the assist was for the winner. I could go on. I was using the stats to prove he is not shit and that he has contributed to a third of our goals scored this season. Not to prove he is a ‘match winner’. Take his contributions away and we would already be down. There is no argument against how much he has contributed. He’s the latest in a long line of boo boys for people on here to unfairly put down. Who’s next. At one point N’zonzi and Arnautovic we’re both boo boys on here. If you really want to point out how much he has contributed, why not include his misses at Newcastle ( smashed over the bar from 6 yards) his contribution to WBAGoal at the Hawthorns ( going down like a sack of spuds when supposedly holding the ball up from which they run down the pitch and score?) - his failure to jump with Lascelles for the Newcastle winner at St. James'? I find him the most frustrating player- he beats men for fun on the half way line, but the moment he has the chance to take people on in or around the box, well it's like he's trying to control a rugby ball. I could even forgive him that if he gave the impression of being bothered- but he just disappears when things get tough.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 25, 2018 18:16:54 GMT
were you saying that after his brace v man utd? it was at home but you wont remember as you weren't there. as regarding yesterday yes his tracking back was poor but if he got too close to him it would have been a penalty. that goal was jack butlands fault . besides why the fuck areweexpecting our attackers to be last man defenders? theres helping out and having to do everything. was he shit when he ran the length of the pitch to feed shaq who should have found Campbell for a tap in. fukin internet warriors ripping into our players again it pisses me off I was there actually , as with the majority of our signings under Hughes he has gone backwards, his tracking back was as it normally is non existent. Do you think he has been an adequate replacement for Arnie ?
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Post by skelman on Feb 25, 2018 18:26:31 GMT
It probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion, but I’d seriously consider giving him a go upfront again. Solely because I would love to see someone up there who has a decent first touch & can make the ball stick. Too often the ball goes forward (albeit aimlessly), and the strikers are sloppy. Said for ages that Choupo is wasted wide left. Rest Diouf and Crouch. Play Choupo as front man with Jese and Shaq. Allen, Badou and Cameron/Zouma across the middle and Indi, Shawx, Bauer & Stafy at FB Subs: Grant, Berahino, Pieters, Cameron/Zouma, Ramadan, Diouf, Afellay/Ireland
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 18:44:43 GMT
There’s some clueless fuckers on here. He’s contributed to over a third of our goals this season with his assists and goals scored. He’s clearly wank though and should not be playing for stoke 🙄 I think the point is his effort os nowhere near good enough, especially given the season we're having. Even if his goals tally was double what it is, he could still do more. A lot more. Everyone can see he's talented on the ball but he just cannot be arsed. For how big he is the way he plays is a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 18:46:21 GMT
First half he was excellent and covered both ends of the pitch very well. His sliding tackle on (Mahrez or Simpson?) in the first half saved a certain chance. He does switch off but so do a lot of forwards in our bracket. That goes with the territory. The fact it led to a goal today makes it look worse but the keeper should put his hat on that, have a go at Choupo for switching off and go again. I think we've had worse problems all season and still do, but he seems to be the one who most are going after right now, so I guess this post will be lost in the long grass. Can't agree on all things can you? Myth. He's as half arsed going forwards and sideways as he is backwards. Bone fucking idle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 20:37:41 GMT
First half he was excellent and covered both ends of the pitch very well. His sliding tackle on (Mahrez or Simpson?) in the first half saved a certain chance. He does switch off but so do a lot of forwards in our bracket. That goes with the territory. The fact it led to a goal today makes it look worse but the keeper should put his hat on that, have a go at Choupo for switching off and go again. I think we've had worse problems all season and still do, but he seems to be the one who most are going after right now, so I guess this post will be lost in the long grass. Can't agree on all things can you? Myth. He's as half arsed going forwards and sideways as he is backwards. Bone fucking idle. Defensively he isn't as bad as people are making out. The stats between all of our wide men are very telling. Choupo is way, way out in front in nearly every measurable stat. Compare him to Shaqiri, and it is almost laughable. I notice your other post on here, where you state that regardless of his goals output he should be doing more. In that case, that also applies to Shaqiri, no? They have played a similar amount of games (EMCM played 1 more), similar amount of output offensively. Tackles - Shaq 19, EMCM 38 Blocked Shots - Shaq 15, EMCM 15 Interceptions - Shaq 11, EMCM 22 Clearances - Shaq 3, EMCM 23 Headed Clearances - Shaq 2, EMCM 11 Recoveries - Shaq 101, EMCM 127 Duels Won - Shaq 84, EMCM 167 Duels Lost - Shaq 110, EMCM 205 (attempted Duels is the key here. EMCM almost double Shaq) Successful 50/50s - Shaq 24, EMCM 57 Aerial Battles Won - Shaq 4, EMCM 49 *Harsh on wee Shaq... Aerial Battles Lost - Shaq 12, EMCM 68 Before anyone starts, this isn't a pop at Shaqiri. It's just a comparison between our two main wide men. The fact Choupo has made more recoveries, more clearances and more attempted duels indicates he is getting far more involved in the dirty stuff than our other wide man, and not as bad as many are saying. Source of information is the official Premier League site.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 25, 2018 21:01:28 GMT
Myth. He's as half arsed going forwards and sideways as he is backwards. Bone fucking idle. Defensively he isn't as bad as people are making out. The stats between all of our wide men are very telling. Choupo is way, way out in front in nearly every measurable stat. Compare him to Shaqiri, and it is almost laughable. I notice your other post on here, where you state that regardless of his goals output he should be doing more. In that case, that also applies to Shaqiri, no? They have played a similar amount of games (EMCM played 1 more), similar amount of output offensively. Tackles - Shaq 19, EMCM 38 Blocked Shots - Shaq 15, EMCM 15 Interceptions - Shaq 11, EMCM 22 Clearances - Shaq 3, EMCM 23 Headed Clearances - Shaq 2, EMCM 11 Recoveries - Shaq 101, EMCM 127 Duels Won - Shaq 84, EMCM 167 Duels Lost - Shaq 110, EMCM 205 (attempted Duels is the key here. EMCM almost double Shaq) Successful 50/50s - Shaq 24, EMCM 57 Aerial Battles Won - Shaq 4, EMCM 49 *Harsh on wee Shaq... Aerial Battles Lost - Shaq 12, EMCM 68 Before anyone starts, this isn't a pop at Shaqiri. It's just a comparison between our two main wide men. The fact Choupo has made more recoveries, more clearances and more attempted duels indicates he is getting far more involved in the dirty stuff than our other wide man, and not as bad as many are saying. Source of information is the official Premier League site. I would LOVE to see those same stats for the past few weeks because my eyes are telling me he hasn't put a shift in and he's been wank.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:15:43 GMT
Defensively he isn't as bad as people are making out. The stats between all of our wide men are very telling. Choupo is way, way out in front in nearly every measurable stat. Compare him to Shaqiri, and it is almost laughable. I notice your other post on here, where you state that regardless of his goals output he should be doing more. In that case, that also applies to Shaqiri, no? They have played a similar amount of games (EMCM played 1 more), similar amount of output offensively. Tackles - Shaq 19, EMCM 38 Blocked Shots - Shaq 15, EMCM 15 Interceptions - Shaq 11, EMCM 22 Clearances - Shaq 3, EMCM 23 Headed Clearances - Shaq 2, EMCM 11 Recoveries - Shaq 101, EMCM 127 Duels Won - Shaq 84, EMCM 167 Duels Lost - Shaq 110, EMCM 205 (attempted Duels is the key here. EMCM almost double Shaq) Successful 50/50s - Shaq 24, EMCM 57 Aerial Battles Won - Shaq 4, EMCM 49 *Harsh on wee Shaq... Aerial Battles Lost - Shaq 12, EMCM 68 Before anyone starts, this isn't a pop at Shaqiri. It's just a comparison between our two main wide men. The fact Choupo has made more recoveries, more clearances and more attempted duels indicates he is getting far more involved in the dirty stuff than our other wide man, and not as bad as many are saying. Source of information is the official Premier League site. I would LOVE to see those same stats for the past few weeks because my eyes are telling me he hasn't put a shift in and he's been wank. Recently he has been poor, so much so, his off the ball stats are now down to the same level as Shaqiri.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2018 21:19:56 GMT
I honestly don't think he was too bad in the first half. He worked hard and tracked Simpson well.
He drifted out of the game 2nd half and he definitely found it harder to track Albrighton who went to right back. Yes he stopped in the incident that led to the goal but it was still a simple cross for the keeper and only one person is at fault for the goal.
Bauer barely stopped a cross coming into our box at all for the first 35 minutes of the game yet he's escaped any criticism at all and is said to have had a good game.
I'd stick Choupo back up front given the paucity of options that we have up there. At least he's got a bit of trickery about him and he's capable of keeping hold of the ball once he gets on it. Choupo up front, with Jese or Ramadan wide.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 25, 2018 21:21:14 GMT
I would LOVE to see those same stats for the past few weeks because my eyes are telling me he hasn't put a shift in and he's been wank. Recently he has been poor, so much so, his off the ball stats are now down to the same level as Shaqiri. Choupo's attempt at running off the pitch when subbed against Brighton nearly made me have a heart attack I went that apoplectic at him. I'm sorry but I just can't be having him anymore, he's the exact type of footballer we don't need right now, at least Shaq has magic in his boots (thank God)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 21:34:15 GMT
Recently he has been poor, so much so, his off the ball stats are now down to the same level as Shaqiri. Choupo's attempt at running off the pitch when subbed against Brighton nearly made me have a heart attack I went that apoplectic at him. I'm sorry but I just can't be having him anymore, he's the exact type of footballer we don't need right now, at least Shaq has magic in his boots (thank God) The big worry for me is that we are pinning all of our hopes on a player in Shaqiri that only has 3 more league goals and the same amount of assists than a player that is supposedly the worst in the squad and one that many would happily bomb out tomorrow, all that whilst offering virtually nothing going the other way in comparison. That's the real issue at play here and I dare say one of the many reasons we are where we are.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 25, 2018 21:44:44 GMT
Choupo's attempt at running off the pitch when subbed against Brighton nearly made me have a heart attack I went that apoplectic at him. I'm sorry but I just can't be having him anymore, he's the exact type of footballer we don't need right now, at least Shaq has magic in his boots (thank God) The big worry for me is that we are pinning all of our hopes on a player in Shaqiri that only has 3 more league goals and the same amount of assists than a player that is supposedly the worst in the squad and one that many would happily bomb out tomorrow, all that whilst offering virtually nothing going the other way in comparison. That's the real issue at play here and I dare say one of the many reasons we are where we are. Choupo's defensive work was good when he first joined but it's a total myth now as far as I'm concerned. He's powder puff (especially for his physique) and floats about like Bojan did. Shaq is the MAIN reason we may stay up, even if it is a long shot, he still gives us a chance.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 25, 2018 21:45:37 GMT
Most of the reason were conceded so many goals has been the shocking defensive contribution of our midfield and forwards. This bloke is by far and away the biggest culprit for being so lazy and hanging out Pieters more times than I care to remember.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Feb 25, 2018 22:49:13 GMT
If Lambert doesn't rate Ramadan he should play Jese out left. We've been carrying Choupo for too long now, frustrating little cunt he is.
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 26, 2018 3:49:43 GMT
He's become Kenwyne lazy, weirdest thing is he's so skilled and fast why the laziness? Give it 65mins then ask for a sub? WTF man? I'd rather Sobhi tbh.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 28, 2018 18:07:47 GMT
This made me laugh
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Post by stantheman on Feb 28, 2018 18:31:03 GMT
If any of the squad are reading this, next time he's asleep on the team coach/plane, please cut/shave that stupid man bun off as he looks like a twat.
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