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Post by crapslinger on Feb 7, 2018 22:23:17 GMT
Slimani, Harrison anyone to freshen things up top would have done me. The fact that we did nothing tells me that the powers that be think Crouch, Diouf & Co. Will score the goals required to keep us up. And that scares the crap out of me! when crouch went off Saturday showed we have nothing up front !
Our strikers are about as potent as a eunuch on bromide apart from Berahinogoals and he has to pay a hooker £5k ( allegedly) to score
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 7, 2018 22:41:18 GMT
Three seasons ago, weren't Burnley like us - getting relegated by lack of goal scorer .. only to sign Andre Grey for 10m once they dropped. And then Borough were similar - no decent striker, blunt and dour - relegated - and bought Assomolonga for 10m,+. And didn't Newcastle buy Gayle for 10-12m after going down. Norwich also bought Olivera though undisclosed, it was presumably for a significant amount. (And Pritchard for 8m)
Irony of ironies if the first purchase in the championship is a 12m striker. If that happened, I'd have hope if we could get rid of the millstones that are the salaries of Imbula, Saddo, Whimper... If we can't its bleak as none of those three would be remotely equipped for the championship and would force sales to pay for them. It's what happened to Wolves yes back with Roger Johnson and Jamie o hara, Doyle etc from memory.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 7, 2018 22:43:45 GMT
Fair post but your harbinger of doom "we're going down" remorseless message is getting on my tits (sorry), you're normally rational and sensible but you're starting to look like Benji light. I happen to agree that we'll probably go down but if we beat Brighton we have a chance. (and why shouldn't we beat Brighton we easily matched them away) I think you saying it repeatedly to acclimatise yourself to relegation should it eventuate. WE'RE STAYING UP (maybe) To be honest I am bitterly disappointed at the impact Lambert has had. After the first game I thought we could be on to something, but the results against watford and Bournemouth are killer results. In both games we got it wrong. I am gutted that we have looked no better under Lambert, and are showing no signs of getting out of this mess. In recent times, you look at teams getting relegated and there is either something terribly wrong behind the scenes or they are newly/recently promoted. For us to be in this mess, a club that has been in the top flight for a decade, with a wealthy local owner, really is a joke, a fuck up of the highest order. I don't disagree but we should bear in mind that Stoke are one of 14 clubs who could fill one of the relegation spots each year we're in the Prem. I think I'm correct in saying that other than the top six never getting relegated clubs only Everton have been up longer than us. In other words there is a fair old turnover amongst the rest of us and we've done extremely well to make it to ten seasons. We'd all have taken that back in May 2008! That said, I do think clubs like ours who've been up a while go through some kind of crisis where the energy is lost, the board and management become stale, players start to believe they are playing for a club that can't go down and stop fighting like newly promoted clubs do and it all goes horribly wrong. Plenty of examples of that in the past: Charlton, Bolton, Newcastle, West Ham. I think this year is our turn. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 7, 2018 23:57:58 GMT
To be honest I am bitterly disappointed at the impact Lambert has had. After the first game I thought we could be on to something, but the results against watford and Bournemouth are killer results. In both games we got it wrong. I am gutted that we have looked no better under Lambert, and are showing no signs of getting out of this mess. In recent times, you look at teams getting relegated and there is either something terribly wrong behind the scenes or they are newly/recently promoted. For us to be in this mess, a club that has been in the top flight for a decade, with a wealthy local owner, really is a joke, a fuck up of the highest order. I don't disagree but we should bear in mind that Stoke are one of 14 clubs who could fill one of the relegation spots each year we're in the Prem. I think I'm correct in saying that other than the top six never getting relegated clubs only Everton have been up longer than us. In other words there is a fair old turnover amongst the rest of us and we've done extremely well to make it to ten seasons. We'd all have taken that back in May 2008! That said, I do think clubs like ours who've been up a while go through some kind of crisis where the energy is lost, the board and management become stale, players start to believe they are playing for a club that can't go down and stop fighting like newly promoted clubs do and it all goes horribly wrong. Plenty of examples of that in the past: Charlton, Bolton, Newcastle, West Ham. I think this year is our turn. Hope I'm wrong. It's a sensible call. If you said the probability of relegation was 10% every year, by the time you reach 10 years, I think there is about a 70% chance you will have been relegated. . (Binomial probability theory...,). In reality, I think noone can quite believe the manner of it.. three self inflicted headwounds
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Post by TexasPotter on Feb 8, 2018 1:09:53 GMT
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 😏
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Post by magwitch on Feb 8, 2018 12:45:34 GMT
The only way to evaluate Peter Coates' contribution to Stoke City FC is to compare the period before his arrival on the Board or as Chairman with the period after. To suggest that without him Stoke would be down in Division 2 playing Vale and Crewe is nonsense when you look at the history of the Club. The period from 1985 to 2008 is the worst period in the history of the Club and this is the period closely associated with Peter Coates. If it were not for the last 10 years, Peter Coates would have been written off as a disaster for Stoke City FC. if it was not for the last ten years ? it would have been written off ,well the last 10 years did happen so hats off to the Coates family ,also I think if you check you will see stoke where in a right state when he came on board .If you keep going back you will find fault ,suppose the butler street was Coates fault ,suppose selling Mathews ,Richie etc was Coates fault , I aint saying he is perfect he is far from it but to give him abuse is so so wrong I am not giving Peter Coates any abuse; where did you get this idea from? Peter Coates became a director of Stoke in 1985 and chairman and majority shareholder in 1989. Therefore he has no responsibility for anything that happened before 1985, yet you accuse his critics of blaming him for the Butler Street stand debacle and other mistakes even before then. Who the hell on this Board has ever said anything like that? As a matter of historical record, since 1925 until 1989 Stoke City spent a total of 1 season only in the third tier of English football. Between 1989 and 1997, the first period of Peter Coates' chairmanship, the Club spent 3 seasons in the third tier, and in 1998 following Coates' resignation as chairman, were relegated back to the third tier where they remained until 2002. Even Coates himself has admitted that this period was a failure on his part, and his return to repurchase the Club from the Icelanders was motivated by a desire to put right the mistakes of his initial spell in the nineties. I admit that he has gone some way to achieving this ambition, but his errors over the last two years have compromised his good intentions, and may have wrecked them entirely if the Club is relegated.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 8, 2018 13:03:36 GMT
What a fuckin joke !! What a shambles of a club !! A club lead by complete amateurs not fit to run a pub team !! Whilst I understand your disappointment it is a club run by the same people for 10 years in the Prem. The only thing missing is our Tone No one can operate on what went 10yrs past & one certainly can’t progress that way...
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 8, 2018 13:19:42 GMT
There are a lot of people to blame for where Stoke find themselves today. They are to blame to various degrees. I would suggest PC is to blame only to a small degree, that primarily being not to act sooner to remove senior managers. I do not blame him to a large degree for not removing Hughes, I thought until the West Ham game we could have turned things round; but then PC was slow to act IMO at a critical time in the calendar and waited till the Coventry debacle. If we had beaten Coventry, Hughes might still be here.
We have failed to buy a decent striker and defensive MF for a long time, and WBs since the club decided to go to 3 CBs; but again I do not blame anyone particularly as very few come along, and most would prefer to go to other clubs before Stoke. I believe Coates when he says the club tried to sign a striker.
The main blame for where we are today IMO lies with whoever decided to buy Imbula, Berahino, and Wimmer. Those were huge errors of judgement that have cost us dearly in terms of goals conceded, and failure to create and score sufficiently. If it was Hughes then he deserved to be dismissed.
I expect Hughes was responsible for the "Spanish experiment". I don't blame him for trying that. Those who achieve little in life are the ones who generally don't try.
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 8, 2018 18:52:38 GMT
if it was not for the last ten years ? it would have been written off ,well the last 10 years did happen so hats off to the Coates family ,also I think if you check you will see stoke where in a right state when he came on board .If you keep going back you will find fault ,suppose the butler street was Coates fault ,suppose selling Mathews ,Richie etc was Coates fault , I aint saying he is perfect he is far from it but to give him abuse is so so wrong I am not giving Peter Coates any abuse; where did you get this idea from? Peter Coates became a director of Stoke in 1985 and chairman and majority shareholder in 1989. Therefore he has no responsibility for anything that happened before 1985, yet you accuse his critics of blaming him for the Butler Street stand debacle and other mistakes even before then. Who the hell on this Board has ever said anything like that? As a matter of historical record, since 1925 until 1989 Stoke City spent a total of 1 season only in the third tier of English football. Between 1989 and 1997, the first period of Peter Coates' chairmanship, the Club spent 3 seasons in the third tier, and in 1998 following Coates' resignation as chairman, were relegated back to the third tier where they remained until 2002. Even Coates himself has admitted that this period was a failure on his part, and his return to repurchase the Club from the Icelanders was motivated by a desire to put right the mistakes of his initial spell in the nineties. I admit that he has gone some way to achieving this ambition, but his errors over the last two years have compromised his good intentions, and may have wrecked them entirely if the Club is relegated. I never said it was Coates fault I said I suppose it was his fault because everything seems to be his fault to some people and my quote on giving him abuse was not directed at you ,It was directed at the people who feel the need to dish out insulting abuse , I said he aint perfect but didn't deserve the abuse , without his input we would be in a worse position than we are ,he has made mistakes ,Peter Coates made mistake in the past but he was on the board with other members it's not a one man show ,If he is making all the decisions with out any impact from other board members then we are definitely been run unprofessionally . I still stand by my quote that he doesn't deserve abuse ,criticism yes but not abuse ,he was uncle Peter when things where good now he is called all sorts .
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 8, 2018 18:55:32 GMT
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. 😏 And very expensive fuck up's.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 8, 2018 19:56:27 GMT
Danny bastard Ings.
I’d rather be given a lift somewhere by Luke McCormick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 22:52:52 GMT
Danny bastard Ings. I’d rather be given a lift somewhere by Luke McCormick. Oooh too soon 🤔
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 8, 2018 22:58:49 GMT
There are a lot of people to blame for where Stoke find themselves today. They are to blame to various degrees. I would suggest PC is to blame only to a small degree, that primarily being not to act sooner to remove senior managers. I do not blame him to a large degree for not removing Hughes, I thought until the West Ham game we could have turned things round; but then PC was slow to act IMO at a critical time in the calendar and waited till the Coventry debacle. If we had beaten Coventry, Hughes might still be here. We have failed to buy a decent striker and defensive MF for a long time, and WBs since the club decided to go to 3 CBs; but again I do not blame anyone particularly as very few come along, and most would prefer to go to other clubs before Stoke. I believe Coates when he says the club tried to sign a striker. The main blame for where we are today IMO lies with whoever decided to buy Imbula, Berahino, and Wimmer. Those were huge errors of judgement that have cost us dearly in terms of goals conceded, and failure to create and score sufficiently. If it was Hughes then he deserved to be dismissed. I expect Hughes was responsible for the "Spanish experiment". I don't blame him for trying that. Those who achieve little in life are the ones who generally don't try. If I could, I'd tick this twice. Great, well-balanced summary. Buying those three - and on the terms they were on - has really really hamstrung us. Its like a triple whammy: (1) Shit players who we've been obliged to play due to their cost, (2) Squad places taken and finite wages gobbled up by players contributing less than Ton Edwards and Tymon, which have hampered further recruits (3) There really has to be a morale and credibility issue if players are both evidently poor and getting in the team, which certainly won't have helped reverse the decline in form: Therefore, these three also must have made a certain contribution to making us less attractive to further targets, when we can finally get the pennies together to buy or loan one or two in the window. I'm sure given the choice again we could spend £50m who 2-3 able to have got us a priceless 4-6 more pts. Ironies are that N'Diaye and Bauer look great!. (Interesting to know if they were recruited a different way). My own take is PC is a man of high integrity and a hugely positive figure in Stoke's history, that has unfortunately not kept up with the modern ways of scouting, negotiating and dealing; of building a high-performance team (all that sports science/ psychology stuff that evidently must do something useful); of analytics and data; of exploiting the commercial side of the game; of creating an innovative culture... its not meant to sound damning btw... He should have been constructively challenged and helped by those he pays a fortune to, but probably had only yes-men.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 8, 2018 23:04:02 GMT
when crouch went off Saturday showed we have nothing up front !
Our strikers are about as potent as a eunuch on bromide apart from Berahinogoals and he has to pay a hooker £5k ( allegedly) to score At least he can score in a brothel, maybe this is his turning point
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2018 23:57:23 GMT
Why not be honest pc? Just say... We have a strict transfer budget, a strict everything budget. Our plan is to make sure We are financially sorted either way ... Whether We stay up or go down Thats Why We missed out on sturridge I could believe That! Ticket sales. Chuck 'em a few soundbites and the proles will renew.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 9, 2018 0:03:29 GMT
Danny bastard Ings. I’d rather be given a lift somewhere by Luke McCormick. If you're in the car you're ok. Just don't pass him a tramadol and whisky when he asked for Pro-Plus and Red Bull.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 0:04:19 GMT
Coates was in the winking man two days running leading up to transfer deadline day where he met with a couple of strikers. They were very close to joining but for a few minor details. Ings was one and the other was Bent.
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