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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 16, 2018 11:18:41 GMT
After yesterdays game Bauer looks an absolute steal at 5.5M, great going forward, blistering pace, recovers well On the other hand, Tymon looked completely out of his depth, at fault for 2 of the goals, let Valencia come inside for the first and bad touch for the second I think you are far too quick and come in and shoot from the hip! Yes I was pleased with Bauer but he is not really better than the guy we sold to Burnley other than being faster and us as fans wanting one of our signings to be finally successful. On the subject of Tymon I think you are once again wrong. Tymon is just eighteen and making his debut in a great arena against a team with excellent players. He made a mistake yes and will learn from it but where was Choupo when this young man had two or three players running at him. United scored two worldies . I saw more resilience last night which was pleasing because we have got to improve defensively! Bauer not better than Beardsley? For goodness sake. Look at Sakho’s goal on Saturday and Bardsley’s ineptitude. Beardsley has no pace and nothing to contribute offensively, Bauer is a real threat going forward a steal at the price
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 11:21:15 GMT
Where's this debut stuff come from? Wasn't it Tymon's first start in a League game? He started against Chelsea didn't he? Again a tough game but I'm judging him more on the games I saw for Hull where he looked like this. Certainly not one to write off though, he just needs to play games.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 16, 2018 11:32:06 GMT
Yes Loan him out and then he'll be ready for the Championship
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 16, 2018 11:35:27 GMT
1 is a 25 year old international footballer the other is a 18 year old lad.
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 16, 2018 11:37:17 GMT
To stop a player cutting inside is learnt at around the age of 10, this was also not his debut, 'ya tit' a far better player cut inside and scored a great goal. it happens to the best defenders in the world. email PL, your superior defensive knowledge will see ypu on the teamsheet satdee. and my apologies, hes played about 2 hours of league football for us. against united and chelsea ffs! hes 18, not a finished player. I don't like knocking young players because I want to see us giving some a chance but you can't just ignore last night, Valencia didn't just cut inside, Tymon invited him inside and I know what Valencia is capable of from there so a professional footballer should certainly know what he's up against.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 16, 2018 11:39:46 GMT
Wasn't it Tymon's first start in a League game? He started against Chelsea didn't he? Again a tough game but I'm judging him more on the games I saw for Hull where he looked like this. Certainly not one to write off though, he just needs to play games. He did start v Chelsea. His total career stats are: 15/16 Hull FA Cup 2 Total 135 mins 16/17 Hull Premier League 4(1 sub) FA Cup (2) EFL Cup 4(1) Total 685 mins 17/18 Stoke Premier League 2(1) EFL Cup 2 Total 297 mins Anybody being overly critical of him needs to remember that he's a teenager who has played the equivalent of less than 13 professional games (1,117 minutes total). With the right coaching and treatment he has every chance of being a good player for us. Also, his last 4 PL appearances have been: L 0-3 v Man Utd L 0-5 v Chelsea L 0-3 v West Ham L 1-7 v Spurs Got to feel for him!!
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Post by thegift on Jan 16, 2018 11:41:44 GMT
To stop a player cutting inside is learnt at around the age of 10, this was also not his debut, 'ya tit' a far better player cut inside and scored a great goal. it happens to the best defenders in the world. email PL, your superior defensive knowledge will see ypu on the teamsheet satdee. and my apologies, hes played about 2 hours of league football for us. against united and chelsea ffs! hes 18, not a finished player. He shouldn't be playing, simply not good enough.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 16, 2018 11:43:48 GMT
He started against Chelsea didn't he? Again a tough game but I'm judging him more on the games I saw for Hull where he looked like this. Certainly not one to write off though, he just needs to play games. He did start v Chelsea. His total career stats are: 15/16 Hull FA Cup 2 Total 135 mins 16/17 Hull Premier League 4(1 sub) FA Cup (2) EFL Cup 4(1) Total 685 mins 17/18 Stoke Premier League 2(1) EFL Cup 2 Total 297 mins Anybody being overly critical of him needs to remember that he's a teenager who has played the equivalent of less than 13 professional games (1,117 minutes total). With the right coaching and treatment he has every chance of being a good player for us. Also, his last 4 PL appearances have been: L 0-3 v Man Utd L 0-5 v Chelsea L 0-3 v West Ham L 1-7 v Spurs Got to feel for him!! I agree about the longer term but at present we can't risk exposing him or the team to the risk.
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Post by keay1863 on Jan 16, 2018 11:46:06 GMT
Whilst we are in the position we are in we can't take that risk of playing an inexperienced player unfortunately
All for giving the youth a chance, just not the right timing
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 16, 2018 12:00:41 GMT
Because of his young age, Tymon is fully excused for not being able to tame a Man U side filled with talented players. But the answer is quite simple. He needs experience and that's why he should go out on loan and learn his trade against lesser sides than Premiership ones. I agree that Edwards has progressed more and from what I've seen of him he's one I would keep at home and give him cameo roles if/when we are in a position to do that. I haven't seen anything of the game so I can't comment on Bauer. But judging from those who have, I'm looking forward to having a regular right back and not a makeshift one. OS. I agree with you he is not one to write off but from what I can see from Edwards it seems he has learnt me in a couple of hours playing against Man City and Tottenham than he would in two or three months in league 1 so I would be more inclined to keep Tymon here to see if he progresses the same.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 12:01:26 GMT
He started against Chelsea didn't he? Again a tough game but I'm judging him more on the games I saw for Hull where he looked like this. Certainly not one to write off though, he just needs to play games. He did start v Chelsea. His total career stats are: 15/16 Hull FA Cup 2 Total 135 mins 16/17 Hull Premier League 4(1 sub) FA Cup (2) EFL Cup 4(1) Total 685 mins 17/18 Stoke Premier League 2(1) EFL Cup 2 Total 297 mins Anybody being overly critical of him needs to remember that he's a teenager who has played the equivalent of less than 13 professional games (1,117 minutes total). With the right coaching and treatment he has every chance of being a good player for us. Also, his last 4 PL appearances have been: L 0-3 v Man Utd L 0-5 v Chelsea L 0-3 v West Ham L 1-7 v Spurs Got to feel for him!! I'd love to know how many games in total he's played in that period including u23. I really don't think it'd break 40 games. That's not what he needs, he needs to be playing every week.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 16, 2018 12:04:47 GMT
He did start v Chelsea. His total career stats are: 15/16 Hull FA Cup 2 Total 135 mins 16/17 Hull Premier League 4(1 sub) FA Cup (2) EFL Cup 4(1) Total 685 mins 17/18 Stoke Premier League 2(1) EFL Cup 2 Total 297 mins Anybody being overly critical of him needs to remember that he's a teenager who has played the equivalent of less than 13 professional games (1,117 minutes total). With the right coaching and treatment he has every chance of being a good player for us. Also, his last 4 PL appearances have been: L 0-3 v Man Utd L 0-5 v Chelsea L 0-3 v West Ham L 1-7 v Spurs Got to feel for him!! I'd love to know how many games in total he's played in that period including u23. I really don't think it'd break 40 games. That's not what he needs, he needs to be playing every week. Well the only data available suggests 2 Premier League 2 appearances for the U23's: www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-tymon/leistungsdaten/spieler/419929You're right though, he needs games and a Championship loan would be the right move in my opinion. If the rumours are true that we're after a LB then keeping him here, when we have Pieters aswell, is pointless.
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Post by CambodianOatcake on Jan 16, 2018 12:15:51 GMT
a far better player cut inside and scored a great goal. it happens to the best defenders in the world. email PL, your superior defensive knowledge will see ypu on the teamsheet satdee. and my apologies, hes played about 2 hours of league football for us. against united and chelsea ffs! hes 18, not a finished player. I don't like knocking young players because I want to see us giving some a chance but you can't just ignore last night, Valencia didn't just cut inside, Tymon invited him inside and I know what Valencia is capable of from there so a professional footballer should certainly know what he's up against. the fact is, at the age of 18, if he was good enough to be making waves against teams like manure, he wouldnt be playing for stoke. end of. but he just seems like a scapegoat for last night. when in reality he got turned over by a great team, with little support from his team. if we get a 1st lb in and get tymon the right coaching and 1st team experience where possible, i think he could be great for us.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 16, 2018 12:16:24 GMT
Wasn't it Tymon's first start in a League game? He started against Chelsea didn't he? Again a tough game but I'm judging him more on the games I saw for Hull where he looked like this. Certainly not one to write off though, he just needs to play games. Not in the PL this season he doesn't, loan him out to somewhere who have decent defensive coaches.
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 16, 2018 13:44:27 GMT
I think you are far too quick and come in and shoot from the hip! Yes I was pleased with Bauer but he is not really better than the guy we sold to Burnley other than being faster and us as fans wanting one of our signings to be finally successful. On the subject of Tymon I think you are once again wrong. Tymon is just eighteen and making his debut in a great arena against a team with excellent players. He made a mistake yes and will learn from it but where was Choupo when this young man had two or three players running at him. United scored two worldies . I saw more resilience last night which was pleasing because we have got to improve defensively! Bauer not better than Beardsley? For goodness sake. Look at Sakho’s goal on Saturday and Bardsley’s ineptitude. Beardsley has no pace and nothing to contribute offensively, Bauer is a real threat going forward a steal at the price Look I was pleased with the performance of Bauer last night but all I am saying that I will reserve my judgement when he has completed four or five games. Beardsley has proven himself over a long period as dependable. Burnley have a sound defence. I will settle for a sound defence at Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 14:10:15 GMT
Beardsley, Bardsley my head hurts!!
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Post by Veritas on Jan 16, 2018 15:05:15 GMT
Bauer not better than Beardsley? For goodness sake. Look at Sakho’s goal on Saturday and Bardsley’s ineptitude. Beardsley has no pace and nothing to contribute offensively, Bauer is a real threat going forward a steal at the price Look I was pleased with the performance of Bauer last night but all I am saying that I will reserve my judgement when he has completed four or five games. Beardsley has proven himself over a long period as dependable. Burnley have a sound defence. I will settle for a sound defence at Stoke. Bardsley has a great attitude and workrate but is too often caught out positionally or ball watching.
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 16, 2018 15:24:47 GMT
Look I was pleased with the performance of Bauer last night but all I am saying that I will reserve my judgement when he has completed four or five games. Beardsley has proven himself over a long period as dependable. Burnley have a sound defence. I will settle for a sound defence at Stoke. Bardsley has a great attitude and workrate but is too often caught out positionally or ball watching. People are missing the point I was trying to make. Inbula was a star amongst our fans after his first game! "Don't shoot from the hip" when making judgements on players!
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 16, 2018 15:37:56 GMT
After yesterdays game Bauer looks an absolute steal at 5.5M, great going forward, blistering pace, recovers well On the other hand, Tymon looked completely out of his depth, at fault for 2 of the goals, let Valencia come inside for the first and bad touch for the second Tymon is clearly not ready, however he had zero support from Choupo Moting defensively. Everything they threw at us came from that side of the pitch, if Pieters and Sobhi were starting we’d have been still in that game at half time..... Choupo Moting turned his back on Valencia’s shot like it was a cannonball coming at him
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Post by knightonstokie on Jan 16, 2018 16:12:53 GMT
Not writing Tymon off, just looked out of his depth, needs to be loaned out for a year or two to gain some valuable experience I agree, last night he was out of his depth and his lack of experience showed. However if we loan him out get him some more games I think there is a decent player there. Get a new lb to challenge/ start ahead of pieters and let Tymon go out on loan for a bit
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