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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 15, 2018 22:47:58 GMT
McCarthy and Long? May God have mercy on us. Sorry mate, I think these are exactly the sort of players we need. We are in a relegation battle. It is called a battle for a reason rather than a picnic or an adventure or a holiday. We stayed up in the first seasons because we had a team full of players who were prepared to get stuck in. And the supporters responded to their efforts, turning the Brit into the Bearpit. March. What about our stokealona (load of bollocks) reputation?
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Post by chad on Jan 15, 2018 22:48:23 GMT
Zouma started off the season immense. A real beast of a player. But as things have gone wrong he shrugged his shoulders and basically give up. It’s obvious he hasn’t got the bottle for a fight. I’d send him back to Chelsea where he can sit on the bench and count his money
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 15, 2018 22:49:09 GMT
Clearly there are obvious deficiencies in the team. For instance, Darren Fletcher leaving a massive hole in midfield, no left back tonight, nothing up front. But the lack of aggression in our play, the lack of tackles, the lack of fouls even. It's infuriating! Look at the type of players out there, Choupo with his 6 ft plus frame, leaving the pitch with the demeanour of a hipster barista who has just served you a coffee he thinks is too fucking good for you (quoting stretfordpotterer). In midfield, Fletcher watching opponents running past, not even fouling them. Allen in an incident in the first half, has a chance to foul pogba to stop him running past and just lets him go. Mata dives and cheats in the penalty area, Bruno says fuck all except gives him a slightly annoyed look. If Lambert can lay into this bunch of absolute pussies and introduce a nasty streak that would be massive. We need some nastiness, some fight, some pressing in midfield. Finally, GET RID OF WIMMER AND ZOUMA.a pair of utter weak as piss lemons just failing to impose themselves on anybody who runs at them.really pathetic to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 22:51:17 GMT
Clearly there are obvious deficiencies in the team. For instance, Darren Fletcher leaving a massive hole in midfield, no left back tonight, nothing up front. But the lack of aggression in our play, the lack of tackles, the lack of fouls even. It's infuriating! Look at the type of players out there, Choupo with his 6 ft plus frame, leaving the pitch with the demeanour of a hipster barista who has just served you a coffee he thinks is too fucking good for you (quoting stretfordpotterer). In midfield, Fletcher watching opponents running past, not even fouling them. Allen in an incident in the first half, has a chance to foul pogba to stop him running past and just lets him go. Mata dives and cheats in the penalty area, Bruno says fuck all except gives him a slightly annoyed look. If Lambert can lay into this bunch of absolute pussies and introduce a nasty streak that would be massive. We need some nastiness, some fight, some pressing in midfield. Finally, GET RID OF WIMMER AND ZOUMA.a pair of utter weak as piss lemons just failing to impose themselves on anybody who runs at them.really pathetic to watch. I have to agree We've gone from being a team of bruisers who rough up every team to being wimps hardly prepared to challenge We should have scythed Pogba down and got a booking but he wouldn't have pranced around after that
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Post by rawli on Jan 15, 2018 22:52:53 GMT
I would get Cattermole - need a lunatic to show the others the way.
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Post by anarchicalan on Jan 15, 2018 22:59:40 GMT
Zouma isn't playing for his shirt, he has a parent club he can go back to, and he probably knows we won't sign him. BMI isn't as good as many think, there's a mistake in him every game. Shawcross isn't the player he was, that last injury has seen his best days for us behind him in my opinion. Pieters is getting some stick, but look at the job he's being asked to do, attack and defend, when he's clearly not fully fit.
This is a good thread, we're weak as kittens, especially in midfield with the likes of Shaqiri, Choupo and Ramadan, when the chips are down, and let's be fair, they're not just down, we're had our bluff called.
Up front is the only place we have any strength, but the service is appalling, and even when it's good, there is no back-up from midfield.
Weak just about sums it up.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 15, 2018 23:02:13 GMT
I have to agree We've gone from being a team of bruisers who rough up every team to being wimps hardly prepared to challenge We should have scythed Pogba down and got a booking but he wouldn't have pranced around after that With several notable exceptions Hughes was 100% complicit in gathering together a squad of journey men with no character or conscious for their profession. Sport is about individuals skill, endeavour, pride and professionalism. “Stokealona Bollocks” has a lot to answer for
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 16, 2018 7:16:48 GMT
People like you would moan if we won 7-0 because we allowed them 0. I'm guessing you didn't go tonight. My god you are boring. Let me be clear, this will be my only response to your boring and inane attempts to start a protracted argument. So you weren’t there.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2018 7:48:52 GMT
Shane Long doesn't score goals but does run around a lot. He could only play in a front two or out wide. Tell me how we'd use him. As for McCarthy, he is extremely ordinary when we need a bit of the extraordinary in the middle. Three in midfield is the way to go and only Joe Allen is worth a place at the moment. Long can play up front on his own and was doing so very successfully at WBA and Southampton. As for McCartthy let him be the water carrier let our talented players llke Shaq, Ireland and Choupa do the flash stuff. We need someone to protect the back 4.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2018 7:50:54 GMT
Zouma, Fletcher, Crouch. All players who need to be sidelined and replaced with some fight. Looking at this bunch, the quality is there but somehow we have to get them really fighting for every ball. And we have to make signings. We have got to do something drastic Don't think you can place Crouch in the no fight group. I wouldn’t say Crouchy doesn’t try but he’s totally innafective. Too lightweight and slow.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 16, 2018 7:52:23 GMT
Couldnt agree more ref Choupo. More interested in his Instagram and being matey with opponents for my liking. He was a free transfer for a reason
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2018 7:55:48 GMT
You can only get away with being weak physically if your players are world class in the skill stakes ours arent.
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Post by Northy on Jan 16, 2018 7:59:10 GMT
BMI's read your post already, and is tracking you down. added a little bit extra At least he is one who will have a go.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 16, 2018 8:07:36 GMT
McCarthy and Long? May God have mercy on us. Sorry mate, I think these are exactly the sort of players we need. We are in a relegation battle. It is called a battle for a reason rather than a picnic or an adventure or a holiday. We stayed up in the first seasons because we had a team full of players who were prepared to get stuck in. And the supporters responded to their efforts, turning the Brit into the Bearpit. We have flair players just need ones in who do the basics well and get a spirit in the dressing room that gets the flair players going properly.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 16, 2018 10:47:12 GMT
Shane Long doesn't score goals but does run around a lot. He could only play in a front two or out wide. Tell me how we'd use him. As for McCarthy, he is extremely ordinary when we need a bit of the extraordinary in the middle. Three in midfield is the way to go and only Joe Allen is worth a place at the moment. Long can play up front on his own and was doing so very successfully at WBA and Southampton. As for McCartthy let him be the water carrier let our talented players llke Shaq, Ireland and Choupa do the flash stuff. We need someone to protect the back 4. If we're pinning our hopes on Ireland seeing out the season as our saviour then we're in for a disappointment. Whatever his qualities, his best days are gone and we really can't turn to him in our hour of need.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 10:56:51 GMT
I was shouting at the tele, kick the so and so. You've got to hit em hard when 50-50 balls are about. We don't even go anything near doing that. Biggest team of fannies we've had in a long time!
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Post by mrred on Jan 16, 2018 11:05:46 GMT
Ironic that the smallest guy on the pitch in Allen is the one with the most heart. The majority of the others need to grow a set of bollocks. Choupo and Zouma are the biggest set of fannies I've seen for ages.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 16, 2018 11:12:42 GMT
We let two of our nastier players go when we got rid of SJW and Whelan. Yes, I know they were past their best, but they were not pussies. Lambert does need to instil some nastiness into our players. Perhaps he will. Perhaps he'll bring a couple of nutters here. I like nasty nutters. A couple like Kammy would do nicely. OS.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 16, 2018 11:46:15 GMT
It’s a shame Charlie can’t get about the pitch - he wouldn’t be shy in this department!
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Post by fca47 on Jan 16, 2018 12:19:14 GMT
I think it is very true. We are a passive team, waiting to see what the other team and players are going to do. The defending is a sympton of this, players like Huth were determined to get the ball irrespective of what the opposing players wanted to do, this lot are just watching, and by the time they decide to do something it is too late. We don't need dirty players just determined ones.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 16, 2018 12:25:07 GMT
It says something when the only player making SLIDE TACKLES last night was Steven Ireland.
Our defenders just stand there hoping they dont have to make a tackle and letting another player pick them up.
Pogba was out for a Sunday stroll yesterday, our team just let him play.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 16, 2018 12:27:32 GMT
I think it is very true. We are a passive team, waiting to see what the other team and players are going to do. The defending is a sympton of this, players like Huth were determined to get the ball irrespective of what the opposing players wanted to do, this lot are just watching, and by the time they decide to do something it is too late. We don't need dirty players just determined ones. Yes passive is the word. Watching Darren Fletcher track a man running through midfield, its like watching a wildlife photographer tracking a polar bear on his jet skis, keeping a safe distance in case, you know, he gets too close
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Post by southernish on Jan 16, 2018 12:31:40 GMT
Clearly there are obvious deficiencies in the team. For instance, Darren Fletcher leaving a massive hole in midfield, no left back tonight, nothing up front. But the lack of aggression in our play, the lack of tackles, the lack of fouls even. It's infuriating! Look at the type of players out there, Choupo with his 6 ft plus frame, leaving the pitch with the demeanour of a hipster barista who has just served you a coffee he thinks is too fucking good for you (quoting stretfordpotterer). In midfield, Fletcher watching opponents running past, not even fouling them. Allen in an incident in the first half, has a chance to foul pogba to stop him running past and just lets him go. Mata dives and cheats in the penalty area, Bruno says fuck all except gives him a slightly annoyed look. If Lambert can lay into this bunch of absolute pussies and introduce a nasty streak that would be massive. We need some nastiness, some fight, some pressing in midfield. Finally, GET RID OF WIMMER AND ZOUMA.a pair of utter weak as piss lemons just failing to impose themselves on anybody who runs at them.really pathetic to watch.
What if he made them into aggressive, hard tackling players? Maybe they'd show their worth?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 16, 2018 12:33:59 GMT
I think it is very true. We are a passive team, waiting to see what the other team and players are going to do. The defending is a sympton of this, players like Huth were determined to get the ball irrespective of what the opposing players wanted to do, this lot are just watching, and by the time they decide to do something it is too late. We don't need dirty players just determined ones. Yes passive is the word. Watching Darren Fletcher track a man running through midfield, its like watching a wildlife photographer tracking a polar bear on his jet skis, keeping a safe distance in case, you know, he gets too close Fletcher Marks idea of a Whelan upgrade no wonder we are in such a mess.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 16, 2018 21:41:49 GMT
(quoting stretfordpotterer). Would that be your short, balding, annoying mate?
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Post by PolPotter on Jan 16, 2018 21:47:20 GMT
When you look at the spine of our team with the exception of Jack and maybe indi it's poor. Zouma, fletcher, Crouch. We need fighters in there who'll give their last bead of sweat for the side. Zouma, Fletcher, Crouch. All players who need to be sidelined and replaced with some fight. Looking at this bunch, the quality is there but somehow we have to get them really fighting for every ball. And we have to make signings. We have got to do something drastic Pretty sure I saw Fletcher kicking lumps and tackling full on last night. You obviously didn't.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 16, 2018 21:48:05 GMT
(quoting stretfordpotterer). Would that be your short, balding, annoying mate? He's taller than me! But bald and annoying yes
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 16, 2018 21:48:48 GMT
Zouma, Fletcher, Crouch. All players who need to be sidelined and replaced with some fight. Looking at this bunch, the quality is there but somehow we have to get them really fighting for every ball. And we have to make signings. We have got to do something drastic Pretty sure I saw Fletcher kicking lumps and tackling full on last night. You obviously didn't. No I didn't. When did that happen? He was bloody awful as usual
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 16, 2018 21:53:35 GMT
Agreed, we are weak as shown on Arnie's return with whu, a few years ago we would of targeted him pushed him, kicked him wound him up non stop until he snapped and begged to be subbed. As we all saw the players made no attempt to give it him and he had the freedom of the park. Bring back the dogs of war and make a trip to stoke a feared game for these premier teams again, not the easy touch we became under Hughes.
But this is a new start let's get behind PL and hope the players man up.
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Post by PolPotter on Jan 16, 2018 21:53:51 GMT
Pretty sure I saw Fletcher kicking lumps and tackling full on last night. You obviously didn't. No I didn't. When did that happen? He was bloody awful as usual Awful as in fighting? I saw him make several 'yellow card' challenges and I saw* him running to corners to close defenders down. I don't back players or beat them unless there's just cause but to say he didn't have fight last night is wrong. Sideline him for other things but not for last night.
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