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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 16, 2018 8:18:19 GMT
The problem isn't spending money (Berahino, Shaq, Imbula, Wimmer, Allen); I'm confident the owners will spend what is needed. The problem is persuading players (and managers it appears) to want to come to Stoke. If you were a quality professional footballer from outside of North Staffs, how high on the list of your desired clubs to play for would Stoke be? In this respect I think Hughes was one of the club best assets, he could persuade players to come. Even he could not persuade N'Zonzi and Arni to stay and they went to more attractive clubs like scores of Stoke players in the past since Matthews first time at the club. Our only attraction is we can give a chance to a player to get into the Premier league, or re-boot his career. We are not alone in this; lots of the clubs relegated while Stoke have been in the Prem. have had exactly the same problem, and some of them (like Newcastle, London clubs) are more attractive clubs to play for than Stoke. Spot on. Now that Hughes has gone the boo boys have directed their bile at the board. Its far easier to blame individuals than acknowledge and deal with the realities of the situation for a club like Stoke. As you say it isn't the money - its the availability and desire of players to come to Stoke mid season when we are clearly in trouble. An astute low cost deal is as likely to produce results as a marque signing. But that won't satisfy the net spend freaks. And it's Lambert's ability to get the best out of what we have already got that will make the biggest difference to our season,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 8:19:19 GMT
The problem isn't spending money (Berahino, Shaq, Imbula, Wimmer, Allen); I'm confident the owners will spend what is needed. The problem is persuading players (and managers it appears) to want to come to Stoke. If you were a quality professional footballer from outside of North Staffs, how high on the list of your desired clubs to play for would Stoke be? In this respect I think Hughes was one of the club best assets, he could persuade players to come. Even he could not persuade N'Zonzi and Arni to stay and they went to more attractive clubs like scores of Stoke players in the past since Matthews first time at the club. Our only attraction is we can give a chance to a player to get into the Premier league, or re-boot his career. We are not alone in this; lots of the clubs relegated while Stoke have been in the Prem. have had exactly the same problem, and some of them (like Newcastle, London clubs) are more attractive clubs to play for than Stoke. Spot on. Now that Hughes has gone the boo boys have directed their bile at the board. Its far easier to blame individuals than acknowledge and deal with the realities of the situation for a club like Stoke. As you say it isn't the money - its the availability and desire of players to come to Stoke mid season when we are clearly in trouble. An astute low cost deal is as likely to produce results as a marque signing. But that won't satisfy the net spend freaks. And it's Lambert's ability to get the best out of what we have already got that will make the biggest difference to our season, Always so many bullshit excuses. The little old Stoke mentality has to go away, it's tiresome.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2018 8:22:23 GMT
Ultimately money talks.
If we offer enough decent players will come.
We could do worse than get some good championship players. Hungry and wanting to take a step up.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 16, 2018 8:33:35 GMT
Spot on. Now that Hughes has gone the boo boys have directed their bile at the board. Its far easier to blame individuals than acknowledge and deal with the realities of the situation for a club like Stoke. As you say it isn't the money - its the availability and desire of players to come to Stoke mid season when we are clearly in trouble. An astute low cost deal is as likely to produce results as a marque signing. But that won't satisfy the net spend freaks. And it's Lambert's ability to get the best out of what we have already got that will make the biggest difference to our season, Always so many bullshit excuses. The little old Stoke mentality has to go away, it's tiresome. I agree this mentality is, after 10 years in the premier league, ridiculous. Whilst we aren't as attractive as some of the larger clubs (IE Man City) in the league we have massive pulling power for any player and that is money and premier league football. Pay an agent enough, pay the player enough and they will be banging down the door. This isn't saying we can go out and sign Messi, not at all, but we have to brush off the belief that we are a small club in a crap town. If a player had to choose between Villa (a so called "bigger club") and Us, I'm sure 9 times out of 10 it would be us right now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 16, 2018 8:37:15 GMT
Always so many bullshit excuses. The little old Stoke mentality has to go away, it's tiresome. I agree this mentality is, after 10 years in the premier league, ridiculous. Whilst we aren't as attractive as some of the larger clubs (IE Man City) in the league we have massive pulling power for any player and that is money and premier league football. Pay an agent enough, pay the player enough and they will be banging down the door. This isn't saying we can go out and sign Messi, not at all, but we have to brush off the belief that we are a small club in a crap town. If a player had to choose between Villa (a so called "bigger club") and Us, I'm sure 9 times out of 10 it would be us right now. Exactly. If the diabolical Hull and Swansea sides this time last year could make the January signings to give themselves a real crack at survival, surely we can. We're hardly adrift.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 8:44:11 GMT
Always so many bullshit excuses. The little old Stoke mentality has to go away, it's tiresome. I agree this mentality is, after 10 years in the premier league, ridiculous. Whilst we aren't as attractive as some of the larger clubs (IE Man City) in the league we have massive pulling power for any player and that is money and premier league football. Pay an agent enough, pay the player enough and they will be banging down the door. This isn't saying we can go out and sign Messi, not at all, but we have to brush off the belief that we are a small club in a crap town. If a player had to choose between Villa (a so called "bigger club") and Us, I'm sure 9 times out of 10 it would be us right now. There is no limit to what we could be if someone wanted it. For now we're an established PL club in an excellent location with loads of money. If you can't sell that then it's time to give up.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 16, 2018 8:54:12 GMT
£ 0000
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Post by senojbor on Jan 16, 2018 9:03:59 GMT
Transfer policy stopped us getting a decent manager. He won't get much money or much say. Classic Coates returned a while back. We have got a decent manager. You ditched your avater picture of 'Hot coals'... wise move.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 16, 2018 9:10:00 GMT
I reckon he will be allowed to make 3 signings this window.
I think jese will go back, recall bojan Buy a LB, defensive midfielder and striker
1 on loan. 2 permanent
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 16, 2018 9:11:36 GMT
We have got a decent manager. You ditched your avater picture of 'Hot coals'... wise move. Why wouldn't I, he's been sacked? We've a new Manager who is decent and we (club and fans) need to support him.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 16, 2018 9:12:36 GMT
He'll get money, pretty pointless giving him a long term contract if we're going to put the handbrake on him from the get go.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 9:40:24 GMT
It's quite simple. If the Dong stays in the packaging, we are going down. If it is brought out into the open air and oiled regularly over the next few weeks then we stand a chance.
Nobody will know that more than the 80 year old Chairman we have.
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Post by cymap on Jan 16, 2018 9:59:18 GMT
If he gets hardly anything to spend then his appointment was just panic by the board and they won't invest in someone they really have had forced on them, the fact that they gave him a 2.5 year cotract isnt proof of backing as that contract is probably worth less than Espanyols compo for QSF. The proof will be in the pudding on the calibre of the signings he is allowed to make in the next 2 weeks
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Post by thevoid on Jan 16, 2018 10:18:19 GMT
Spot on. Now that Hughes has gone the boo boys have directed their bile at the board. Its far easier to blame individuals than acknowledge and deal with the realities of the situation for a club like Stoke. As you say it isn't the money - its the availability and desire of players to come to Stoke mid season when we are clearly in trouble. An astute low cost deal is as likely to produce results as a marque signing. But that won't satisfy the net spend freaks. And it's Lambert's ability to get the best out of what we have already got that will make the biggest difference to our season, Always so many bullshit excuses. The little old Stoke mentality has to go away, it's tiresome. I think some folk are under the impression players and WAGs would have to live in Fenton and shop up Hanley. We've got Cheshire and Manchester up the road. It all boils down to ambition and whether or not you're prepared to spend money. I hardly think the Portuguese contingent at Wolves are there for the Popworld and Black Country Museum 😎
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 10:27:34 GMT
Always so many bullshit excuses. The little old Stoke mentality has to go away, it's tiresome. I think some folk are under the impression players and WAGs would have to live in Fenton and shop up Hanley. We've got Cheshire and Manchester up the road. It all boils down to ambition and whether or not you're prepared to spend money. I hardly think the Portuguese contingent at Wolves are there for the Popworld and Black Country Museum 😎 Exactly! It's always been an excuse and not a limiting factor. Great example with Wolves too.
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Post by knightonstokie on Jan 16, 2018 16:17:38 GMT
He'll get money, pretty pointless giving him a long term contract if we're going to put the handbrake on him from the get go. Agree they chose him for the job and they will back him in the window, only trouble is 15 days left what sort of deals will we be able to get done
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Post by adamsson on Jan 16, 2018 16:24:54 GMT
He'll get money, pretty pointless giving him a long term contract if we're going to put the handbrake on him from the get go. Agree they chose him for the job and they will back him in the window, only trouble is 15 days left what sort of deals will we be able to get done They didn't exactly chose him though did they? Three other people had very publicly rejected the offer and you can bet many more rejected it outhand privately as well.
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Post by knightonstokie on Jan 16, 2018 16:31:39 GMT
Agree they chose him for the job and they will back him in the window, only trouble is 15 days left what sort of deals will we be able to get done They didn't exactly chose him though did they? Three other people had very publicly rejected the offer and you can bet many more rejected it outhand privately as well. But they still chose to appoint him, that's why he is here, I am sure there were others that wanted the job. It might not have been the pool of candidates they wanted to make the choice from but a decision and choice was still made.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Jan 16, 2018 16:40:11 GMT
I think he will get about 10 million for purchases plus a couple of loan fees. Based on the club’s direction in the Summer I just can’t see any more being made available.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 16:42:02 GMT
30/35 mill needed
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Post by RF10 on Jan 16, 2018 17:43:18 GMT
It's about the quality not how much you spend. Imbula and Wimmer are prime examples. Right now we need iron and determination, players willing to run through brick walls and scrap for a win.
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Post by skip on Jan 16, 2018 21:52:13 GMT
Coates needs to splash the dong juice this January. At 80, it might be his last chance. Legacy and shit.
Money talks, mmm-hmm-hmm, money talks Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh Money talks, money talks Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, woh-oh
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 17, 2018 12:21:29 GMT
Next to nothing if the last couple of seasons are anything to go by. It will be washed up over the hill players or loan deals, thats what got us in this hole, weve been saying it for years. I don’t get this "there’s been no money to spend on players" malarkey. Hughes was given over £100m during his tenure and over half of that in the last 2 years on Allen, Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula and Zouma loan fee.
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Post by forwhatitsworth on Jan 17, 2018 14:03:59 GMT
I think some folk are under the impression players and WAGs would have to live in Fenton and shop up Hanley. We've got Cheshire and Manchester up the road. It all boils down to ambition and whether or not you're prepared to spend money. I hardly think the Portuguese contingent at Wolves are there for the Popworld and Black Country Museum 😎 Exactly! It's always been an excuse and not a limiting factor. Great example with Wolves too. I like living in Fenton and shopping in Hanley
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Post by Stokyo on Jan 18, 2018 10:04:08 GMT
Next to nothing if the last couple of seasons are anything to go by. It will be washed up over the hill players or loan deals, thats what got us in this hole, weve been saying it for years. I don’t get this "there’s been no money to spend on players" malarkey. Hughes was given over £100m during his tenure and over half of that in the last 2 years on Allen, Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula and Zouma loan fee. Aren't we the 17th lowest spenders in the league for the last two seasons in a row?. You might not like the amount of money premiere league clubs spend, but the figures dont lie, we are scrimping and saving compared to the 16 clubs spending more than us. We deserve to be in 17th based on our spend.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 18, 2018 10:05:53 GMT
I don’t get this "there’s been no money to spend on players" malarkey. Hughes was given over £100m during his tenure and over half of that in the last 2 years on Allen, Wimmer, Berahino, Imbula and Zouma loan fee. Aren't we the 17th lowest spenders in the league for the last two seasons in a row?. You might not like the amount of money premiere league clubs spend, but the figures dont lie, we are scrimping and saving compared to the 16 clubs spending more than us. We deserve to be in 17th based on our spend. At the moment 17th in May would be good for me
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 18, 2018 11:50:52 GMT
I agree this mentality is, after 10 years in the premier league, ridiculous. Whilst we aren't as attractive as some of the larger clubs (IE Man City) in the league we have massive pulling power for any player and that is money and premier league football. Pay an agent enough, pay the player enough and they will be banging down the door. This isn't saying we can go out and sign Messi, not at all, but we have to brush off the belief that we are a small club in a crap town. If a player had to choose between Villa (a so called "bigger club") and Us, I'm sure 9 times out of 10 it would be us right now. There is no limit to what we could be if someone wanted it. For now we're an established PL club in an excellent location with loads of money. If you can't sell that then it's time to give up. You need to explain what you mean in your first sentence, no limit would suggest you think we could win the league, or finish in the top four or the top six? The reality is that the owners are faced with having to spend significant amounts of money just to stay in the PL, how long is Denise Coates going to want to fund that?
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Post by thegift on Jan 18, 2018 11:53:32 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2018 11:58:23 GMT
There is no limit to what we could be if someone wanted it. For now we're an established PL club in an excellent location with loads of money. If you can't sell that then it's time to give up. You need to explain what you mean in your first sentence, no limit would suggest you think we could win the league, or finish in the top four or the top six? The reality is that the owners are faced with having to spend significant amounts of money just to stay in the PL, how long is Denise Coates going to want to fund that? We could. Obviously that would require massive, massive investment and a massive sea change but it could be done. It's not something I deem realistic but it could be done. We spend significant amounts of money? When?
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 18, 2018 12:47:25 GMT
More than Denise is willing to give that’s for sure
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