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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 15, 2018 13:47:11 GMT
We won’t get big due to the league
We need some steel around the place (not between the posts)
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 15, 2018 13:50:22 GMT
The problem isn't spending money (Berahino, Shaq, Imbula, Wimmer, Allen); I'm confident the owners will spend what is needed.
The problem is persuading players (and managers it appears) to want to come to Stoke. If you were a quality professional footballer from outside of North Staffs, how high on the list of your desired clubs to play for would Stoke be? In this respect I think Hughes was one of the club best assets, he could persuade players to come. Even he could not persuade N'Zonzi and Arni to stay and they went to more attractive clubs like scores of Stoke players in the past since Matthews first time at the club.
Our only attraction is we can give a chance to a player to get into the Premier league, or re-boot his career. We are not alone in this; lots of the clubs relegated while Stoke have been in the Prem. have had exactly the same problem, and some of them (like Newcastle, London clubs) are more attractive clubs to play for than Stoke.
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Post by firfuxache on Jan 15, 2018 13:58:18 GMT
If the board are confident he can save our Premier League status I’d say they would give him a reasonable amount to buy the basics to get us back on the straight and narrow. No one will be leaving us in Janusry as he’s not assessed the squad properly. If the board are confident he can save our Premiership status,why wasn't he one of our prefered choices? Sorry the batteries on my crystal ball have run out at the moment. Jeez, let’s hope the bloke fails because he wasn’t first choice just so you’re happy.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jan 15, 2018 14:16:03 GMT
I would make sure there is nowt wrong with the right one before you do that world cup makes a good case for him getting out while the going is good
If they wouldn't pay decent money for the fecking manager why would we think they would pay good money on players
No flies on Coates though Bet365 now have us at 6-4 to go down from 2-1
In fact most bookies have shortened their odds
Does not seem to instil much confidence does it
I’m not sure any of your points have even a single iota of relevance in Jack Butland putting in a transfer request in January. Another club may come in for him and he may go, but a transfer request, I doubt it. If you cannot see how pissed off Butland is with the results ( and it is definitely affecting his own form ) then you arnt looking
I would expect a request in by the end of this week
If he doesn't then fair play to the lad
I am red and white ( like a lot on here ) through and through but as a professional --- I would try to get away as soon as I could
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2018 14:18:08 GMT
If they don't back him then they are not fit to run this club. Ive calmed down a little and realised that we just need to get on with this now, its done. Lets hope he performs a miracle but he will need backing. If the Coates family feel that a decent spend isn't needed then the club has clearly outgrown all of them. I'd say its more the league than the club tbh, the amount of money it takes now to buy at best average players is mental.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2018 14:19:32 GMT
I’m not sure any of your points have even a single iota of relevance in Jack Butland putting in a transfer request in January. Another club may come in for him and he may go, but a transfer request, I doubt it. If you cannot see how pissed off Butland is with the results ( and it is definitely affecting his own form ) then you arnt looking
I would expect a request in by the end of this week
If he doesn't then fair play to the lad
I am red and white ( like a lot on here ) through and through but as a professional --- I would try to get away as soon as I could
He won't be handing in anything, he knows he's gone in the summer whatever happens, it won't really affect his career, it'll just be a blip in its history.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 15, 2018 14:20:41 GMT
It could be interesting!
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Post by hudsontojenkins on Jan 15, 2018 14:21:37 GMT
I think he'll go for Benteke, he needs from Palace to reboot his career, and they have previous. Lambert got him firing at Villa, and if he can sort the back four we should be alright.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Jan 15, 2018 14:21:58 GMT
At a guess 0? Feel sorry for the guy he’s on a loser before he starts. Equivalent of being given a ride on a 1000/1 outsider at the grand national. Square route of fuck all! That’s why he’s been employed, to manage our fall as cost effectively as possible. Butland and Shaq will go to.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 15, 2018 14:25:23 GMT
If they don't back him then they are not fit to run this club. Ive calmed down a little and realised that we just need to get on with this now, its done. Lets hope he performs a miracle but he will need backing. If the Coates family feel that a decent spend isn't needed then the club has clearly outgrown all of them. Surely he wouldn’t have accepted the post if there was no promise of money to use in the transfer window
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 14:26:26 GMT
The problem isn't spending money (Berahino, Shaq, Imbula, Wimmer, Allen); I'm confident the owners will spend what is needed. The problem is persuading players (and managers it appears) to want to come to Stoke. Money talks, we had a strict wage structure for many years and likely still so compared to clubs around us. If we pay them enough anyone will come, even the best in the world whore themselves out for a big pay rise. Neymar didn’t go to PSG because they have a famous tower, a shitty painting and a fancy glass pyramid in Paris.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 15, 2018 14:26:28 GMT
If the board are confident he can save our Premier League status I’d say they would give him a reasonable amount to buy the basics to get us back on the straight and narrow. No one will be leaving us in Janusry as he’s not assessed the squad properly. If the board are confident he can save our Premiership status,why wasn't he one of our prefered choices? How do you know he wasn't ? Do you believe everything written in the papers ? What evidance is there that we wanted O'Neil ? Did we ever approach Rowett ? As far as i can tell the only person official approached was in Spain.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jan 15, 2018 14:48:46 GMT
If the board are confident he can save our Premiership status,why wasn't he one of our prefered choices? How do you know he wasn't ? Do you believe everything written in the papers ? What evidance is there that we wanted O'Neil ? Did we ever approach Rowett ? As far as i can tell the only person official approached was in Spain. Give your head a wobble
apart from this morning other than a few OOH I HOP NOT had Lambert even measured on the richter scale as a potential manager
So you think this shows our club anything other than
Out of touch with its fan base Penny pinching Unable to sell the club to its preferred targets
We are a fucking laughing stock
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Post by sportsman on Jan 15, 2018 14:54:02 GMT
I think with them choosing a not too popular manager, rival betting companies taking the piss, the board partly to blame for a while for various reasons, premier league position in question, I'd say they'll throw a shed load at it.
Whatever it takes to get in the players needed. If that's 15m or 55m I think we'll do it.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jan 15, 2018 15:00:36 GMT
If you cannot see how pissed off Butland is with the results ( and it is definitely affecting his own form ) then you arnt looking
I would expect a request in by the end of this week
If he doesn't then fair play to the lad
I am red and white ( like a lot on here ) through and through but as a professional --- I would try to get away as soon as I could
He won't be handing in anything, he knows he's gone in the summer whatever happens, it won't really affect his career, it'll just be a blip in its history. Boskamps
I want you to be right but ....
Liverpool have money to burn and a shit keeper Klippity want to take them to the next level and after just lowering Peps flag a keeper is a must If he doesn't go balls in for Butland now he will have to go into a bidding war I don't trust any of the board to make fresh funds available to Lambert so money from Butland may be the obvious answer If his form keeps dropping like his chin we will have another Begovic on our hands with his price dropping He will go before the end of the month I am not ITK and don't pretend to be but to me it makes perfect business sense
Good luck Jack
Just because the club lacks ambition ( Arnie's words ) it doesn't mean you have to
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Post by nott1 on Jan 15, 2018 15:05:00 GMT
If Jack goes it will give us a decent war chest, decent GK's are 10apenny in the Championship!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 15, 2018 15:06:05 GMT
To be honest I don’t think our managers have been behind the signings since Diego Arismendi arrived. Of course they have. If we were going to give Quique money to spend we have to give Lambert money to spend don't we?
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 15, 2018 15:13:29 GMT
My mate has just shown me a list "20 Lambert signings and where they are now"
Only Benteke and Ron Vlaar were half decent...
If we can get a quality CDM then I think we give ourselves half a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:16:49 GMT
Sell to buy policy .
Jack to Liverpool with Sturridge to us straight swap or we give them £5 million.
Shaq to Southampton £15 million why not were down anyway right.
Veg out of the allotment, leaves us with a loan move and up and coming for £5 million.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 15, 2018 19:35:20 GMT
How do you know he wasn't ? Do you believe everything written in the papers ? What evidance is there that we wanted O'Neil ? Did we ever approach Rowett ? As far as i can tell the only person official approached was in Spain. Give your head a wobble
apart from this morning other than a few OOH I HOP NOT had Lambert even measured on the richter scale as a potential manager
So you think this shows our club anything other than
Out of touch with its fan base Penny pinching Unable to sell the club to its preferred targets
We are a fucking laughing stock
I agree with what you are saying totally, I am just pointing out that Quique Sanchez Flores was the only guy approached. Stoke may have said they were interested in Gary rowett. But he was never approached or Spoken to. Martin O'Neil....is much the same, did he ever state an interest ? The papers said he did...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:51:55 GMT
You only have to look at the team and subs tonight to see that we have a poor set up. Lambert must be given a war chest!
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Post by themistocles on Jan 15, 2018 20:54:57 GMT
The prove is in the appointment of an out of work washed up Lambert.
Says to me he's the only manager we could get with no transfer budget
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Post by jwhpotter on Jan 15, 2018 21:00:14 GMT
Well IMO we need a left back, a defensive midfielder, a left winger and possibly a striker unless he fancies giving Bera another chance
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Post by johnnypotter on Jan 15, 2018 21:01:13 GMT
At least Lambert wanted the job, got to give him credit for that, spending wise I bet Coates said '' Paul, here is a fiver to buy new players, but if you don't spend it all I want the change back''.
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Post by birchesheadstokie on Jan 15, 2018 21:03:45 GMT
Depends whether the inevitable transfer requests from Shaq and Jack go through.... Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards Jack will not put a transfer request in this window. I’d put my left bollock on the line that he won’t. Hasn't Jack already said personally that he didn't want to go anywhere until at the earliest after the world cup , so I'm with block 22 on this one
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Post by tony1234 on Jan 15, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
Does what Coates say not offer a clue to this question:-? (I hope not....)
PC:- "Paul greatly impressed us with his knowledge of our squad and had a clear plan of how he would improve our results."?
And not what Coates could have said about what happens next:-
e.g. Moshiri at Everton speaking about Allardyce: "I really want to give him the support he needs. He can go as far as he wants. We need a strong leader, he gives us that.”
e.g. Crystal Palace announcing Hodgson: "Ray Lewington will join Hodgson as his assistant....In addition, a first team coach will be announced shortly.... " while Hodgson said, "there is an enormous potential for growth".
e.g. Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha, vice chairman of Leicester on Puel: "hen we began the process of identifying a new manager, the board quickly established the profile of candidate we needed to take the club forward and Claude Puel was a perfect fit.... his attention to detail, knowledge of our squad, understanding of our potential and his vision to help us realise it were extremely impressive".
e.g. Sullivan was quieter too - speaking about Moyes "We need somebody with experience, knowledge of the Premier League and the players in it" but still alluded to transfers.
Our annoucement is more like Jenkins' introduction of Carvahal at Swansea: "He has built up a lot of experience over the years which will ensure the team is structured and organised."
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 15, 2018 21:48:55 GMT
He needs 20m to spend, but he will most likely get 5m and a loan.....
We need a central midfielder and a striker as a priority, maybe a right winger and left back too (most likely in summer now).
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Post by liathroid on Jan 15, 2018 21:51:35 GMT
We need 2 BIG signings at the very least, I'm not hopeful though.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 15, 2018 21:53:21 GMT
Left back, beast midfielder, and a striker minimum
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Jan 15, 2018 21:54:19 GMT
Probably zero. This is what self-sufficiency looks like.
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