UNKLE
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Post by UNKLE on Jan 14, 2018 9:51:00 GMT
Am I missing something here..... this is a common argument on many of the threads arguing against Mr O’Neill’s appointment.
He managed Aston Villa from Aug 2006 until Aug 2010. He then had his spell at Sunderland where he was admittedly sacked in March 2013. My maths makes that less than five years.
Now if he’d been on the sofa circuit solely doing TV punditry since or away managing a European minnow then I’d agree he’s been away from club management and football too long. But he hasn’t, he’s been with ROI where he will have been watching Premier League and Championship games week in week out. He’s got a sound knowledge of British club football.
Given the Stoke City spine of Walters, Whelan, Wilson and Given he’s probably more aware than most of the steel we used to have in our side which was complimented by the odd foreign spark. He’ll see where we are at now and try and get a solid base back.
Now I got myself all excited about a continental revolution under QSF and found myself totally distraught yesterday by the thought of MON and Keane.
Like Ted1965 said on his thread having slept on it all this could be a blessing in disguise if MON does join us with Roy Keane. They may have seen at first hand the best of talent from lower Premier League and Championship clubs, they will also have seen international players at the likes of Serbia that we may have a chance of signing.
QSF could arguably have needed more time to get to grips with what’s required in the transfer market and where to get it from....MON may look at predictable British solutions, but that may well be what we need at this time.
We have to stay in the Premier League this year. If we dont we will end up where Sunderland and Hull are this year and that is unthinkable. I don’t want to play regularly again at the likes of Wycombe and Oldham.
Don’t cock it up Stoke....let’s give whoever comes in our full support, and if it does turn out to be Martin O’Neill lets not make out he’s coming in from the footballing wilderness and not give him a chance.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 14, 2018 9:52:41 GMT
Am I missing something here..... this is a common argument on many of the threads arguing against Mr O’Neill’s appointment. He managed Aston Villa from Aug 2006 until Aug 2010. He then had his spell at Sunderland where he was admittedly sacked in March 2013. My maths makes that less than five years. Now if he’d been on the sofa circuit solely doing TV punditry since or away managing a European minnow then I’d agree he’s been away from club management and football too long. But he hasn’t, he’s been with ROI where he will have been watching Premier League and Championship games week in week out. He’s got a sound knowledge of British club football. Given the Stoke City spine of Walters, Whelan, Wilson and Given he’s probably more aware than most of the steel we used to have in our side which was complimented by the odd foreign spark. He’ll see where we are at now and try and get a solid base back. Now I got myself all excited about a continental revolution under QSF and found myself totally distraught yesterday by the thought of MON and Keane. Like Ted1965 said on his thread having slept on it all this could be a blessing in disguise if MON does join us with Roy Keane. They may have seen at first hand the best of talent from lower Premier League and Championship clubs, they will also have seen international players at the likes of Serbia that we may have a chance of signing. QSF could arguably have needed more time to get to grips with what’s required in the transfer market and where to get it from....MON may look at predictable British solutions, but that may well be what we need at this time. We have to stay in the Premier League this year. If we dont we will end up where Sunderland and Hull are this year and that is unthinkable. I don’t want to play regularly again at the likes of Wycombe and Oldham. Don’t cock it up Stoke....let’s give whoever comes in our full support, and if it does turn out to be Martin O’Neill lets not make out he’s coming in from the footballing wilderness and not give him a chance. He’s not managed successfully at club level for close to 10 years.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 14, 2018 10:03:15 GMT
McLaren,Megson plus a few others mentioned have,but are fecking crap.
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Post by southcoaststokie on Jan 14, 2018 10:07:30 GMT
He probably knows more about our club than most manager's, having kept tabs on all our Irish players over the last few years.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 14, 2018 10:19:51 GMT
If he is our manager then I'll support him because our club needs it, but, I'm really not hopeful. I think he's the complete wrong type of manager for our squad because:
1) if we try and become too defensive/counter attack it won't work because we lack the athleticism and discipline in the squad. The players have struggled to do this for the last 18 months and yet beforehand were able to play more controlling football, we need to return to that to have a chance of staying up.
2) we don't have many fighters or British spirited players, which is what MON is used to.
Fingers crossed he doesn't sign.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jan 14, 2018 10:41:12 GMT
Having slept on yesterday's disaster.
I'm coming round to the idea of MON.
On the basis of nearly every other name scares the shit out of me.
Yes he didn't do very well at Sunderland, but who does? I haven't got their squad to hand, but I'm pretty certain it would have been full of no hopers.
He's inheriting some very good players who need organising and a game plan. And obviously one or 3 new faces.
If memory serves me right, he did very well at Villa with some good players. I think Ashley Young was decent, Downing, Carew, Delph. And they got 6th one year?
If the alternative is Gary fucking Megson or Garry Monk / Paul Lambert. Then MON is a fucking GODSEND!
QSF wasn't up for the fight. MON will be
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2018 11:03:19 GMT
Am I missing something here..... this is a common argument on many of the threads arguing against Mr O’Neill’s appointment. He managed Aston Villa from Aug 2006 until Aug 2010. He then had his spell at Sunderland where he was admittedly sacked in March 2013. My maths makes that less than five years. Now if he’d been on the sofa circuit solely doing TV punditry since or away managing a European minnow then I’d agree he’s been away from club management and football too long. But he hasn’t, he’s been with ROI where he will have been watching Premier League and Championship games week in week out. He’s got a sound knowledge of British club football. Given the Stoke City spine of Walters, Whelan, Wilson and Given he’s probably more aware than most of the steel we used to have in our side which was complimented by the odd foreign spark. He’ll see where we are at now and try and get a solid base back. Now I got myself all excited about a continental revolution under QSF and found myself totally distraught yesterday by the thought of MON and Keane. Like Ted1965 said on his thread having slept on it all this could be a blessing in disguise if MON does join us with Roy Keane. They may have seen at first hand the best of talent from lower Premier League and Championship clubs, they will also have seen international players at the likes of Serbia that we may have a chance of signing. QSF could arguably have needed more time to get to grips with what’s required in the transfer market and where to get it from....MON may look at predictable British solutions, but that may well be what we need at this time. We have to stay in the Premier League this year. If we dont we will end up where Sunderland and Hull are this year and that is unthinkable. I don’t want to play regularly again at the likes of Wycombe and Oldham. Don’t cock it up Stoke....let’s give whoever comes in our full support, and if it does turn out to be Martin O’Neill lets not make out he’s coming in from the footballing wilderness and not give him a chance. He’s not managed successfully at club level for close to 10 years. He successfully stopped Sunderland from going down,they were in a much worse state than we are right now.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 14, 2018 11:09:58 GMT
One thing people are missing is that they both learned from the best especially for discipline
one day my uncle was talking to Clough in Nottingham as he did most days on cricket as my uncle was connected with notts cricket and Cloughey was a huge cricket fan a player walked up it was a hot day Clough stopped him and said "young man why are you not dressed properly" the lad had his top button undone "report to me in my office tomorrow when you are out you represent the club" after the player went my uncle asked what would happen Clough said hell fine the lad a weeks wages. discipline and effort was taught to players at forest and i'm sure these two take those lessons well.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 14, 2018 11:53:08 GMT
He’s not managed successfully at club level for close to 10 years. He successfully stopped Sunderland from going down,they were in a much worse state than we are right now. They weren’t. They were in trouble but they were 16th and Bruce had finished top half the year before. They had a decent squad and MON had a sizeable budget. They weren’t anything like the basket case they became under PDC, Poyet, Advocaat, Moyes etc. And he was taking them down the next season when they sacked him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 12:34:26 GMT
One thing people are missing is that they both learned from the best especially for discipline one day my uncle was talking to Clough in Nottingham as he did most days on cricket as my uncle was connected with notts cricket and Cloughey was a huge cricket fan a player walked up it was a hot day Clough stopped him and said "young man why are you not dressed properly" the lad had his top button undone "report to me in my office tomorrow when you are out you represent the club" after the player went my uncle asked what would happen Clough said hell fine the lad a weeks wages. discipline and effort was taught to players at forest and i'm sure these two take those lessons well. I love stories like that. But can you imagine the modern day footballer.... my god crying to there agents to get them out the club or even go on strike because they’ve been fined.
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 14, 2018 12:47:32 GMT
One thing people are missing is that they both learned from the best especially for discipline one day my uncle was talking to Clough in Nottingham as he did most days on cricket as my uncle was connected with notts cricket and Cloughey was a huge cricket fan a player walked up it was a hot day Clough stopped him and said "young man why are you not dressed properly" the lad had his top button undone "report to me in my office tomorrow when you are out you represent the club" after the player went my uncle asked what would happen Clough said hell fine the lad a weeks wages. discipline and effort was taught to players at forest and i'm sure these two take those lessons well. I love stories like that. But can you imagine the modern day footballer.... my god crying to there agents to get them out the club or even go on strike because they’ve been fined. The main difference was clough had the respect of the players he was better than the top managers today combined and the players knew it, they respected that he would treat them well footballing wise and respected them and this was a 2 way street. They would run through brick walls for him just think about Trevor Francis diving head first onto that concrete to head that goal in the European cup final. I have a feeling that MON has some of this respect as people listen to what he says and what he says makes sense
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Post by professorplump on Jan 14, 2018 12:54:23 GMT
MON has been out of club management for less than five years. Roy Hodgson was out of the club game for longer than MON and it doesn't seem to have affected him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 14, 2018 13:02:10 GMT
MON has been out of club management for less than five years. Roy Hodgson was out of the club game for longer than MON and it doesn't seem to have affected him. Again, the difference is how they were faring at that time. Hodgson was doing very well, MON was floundering and looked like yesterday’s man.
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Post by professorplump on Jan 14, 2018 13:17:02 GMT
MON has been out of club management for less than five years. Roy Hodgson was out of the club game for longer than MON and it doesn't seem to have affected him. Again, the difference is how they were faring at that time. Hodgson was doing very well, MON was floundering and looked like yesterday’s man. I think that's irrelevant. Hodgson has had more failures than O'Neill in his club career. Clearly you have some sort of an issue with him so we will have to agree to disagree, but personally I think he is probably the best realistic candidate at the moment.
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Post by mickmacc on Jan 14, 2018 13:19:32 GMT
It’s very simple. O Neill like Hodgson knows football and footballers.He also knows the Premier League and it’s players. He played under Clough ffs in a team if underdogs that won the European Cup.
He is no mug
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 14, 2018 13:41:20 GMT
his last decent club job ended in 2010. He did little of note at Sunderland.
And his Ireland job wasn't as brilliant as some think.
He's yesterday's man, and many only want him to come because of Roy Keane, which is silly.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 14, 2018 13:46:57 GMT
Again, the difference is how they were faring at that time. Hodgson was doing very well, MON was floundering and looked like yesterday’s man. I think that's irrelevant. Hodgson has had more failures than O'Neill in his club career. Clearly you have some sort of an issue with him so we will have to agree to disagree, but personally I think he is probably the best realistic candidate at the moment. Of course it’s relevant. Timing is important. A manager can go stale or get left behind just like a player or anyone else in any field and that’s very much the impression MON gave at Sunderland, which Hodgson didn’t at WBA. I don’t disagree he’s about the most realistic candidate but I don’t see the point of speaking through a flower just because that’s the case.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 14, 2018 15:14:45 GMT
It’s like dating your sister , it just shouldn’t happen
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 14, 2018 15:28:16 GMT
Whether he's managed at club level or not in the past 10 years...I'm sure he still knows the game (and players) WAY better than all the managers on here!!!
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 14, 2018 18:35:37 GMT
Am I missing something here..... this is a common argument on many of the threads arguing against Mr O’Neill’s appointment. He managed Aston Villa from Aug 2006 until Aug 2010. He then had his spell at Sunderland where he was admittedly sacked in March 2013. My maths makes that less than five years. Now if he’d been on the sofa circuit solely doing TV punditry since or away managing a European minnow then I’d agree he’s been away from club management and football too long. But he hasn’t, he’s been with ROI where he will have been watching Premier League and Championship games week in week out. He’s got a sound knowledge of British club football. Given the Stoke City spine of Walters, Whelan, Wilson and Given he’s probably more aware than most of the steel we used to have in our side which was complimented by the odd foreign spark. He’ll see where we are at now and try and get a solid base back. Now I got myself all excited about a continental revolution under QSF and found myself totally distraught yesterday by the thought of MON and Keane. Like Ted1965 said on his thread having slept on it all this could be a blessing in disguise if MON does join us with Roy Keane. They may have seen at first hand the best of talent from lower Premier League and Championship clubs, they will also have seen international players at the likes of Serbia that we may have a chance of signing. QSF could arguably have needed more time to get to grips with what’s required in the transfer market and where to get it from....MON may look at predictable British solutions, but that may well be what we need at this time. We have to stay in the Premier League this year. If we dont we will end up where Sunderland and Hull are this year and that is unthinkable. I don’t want to play regularly again at the likes of Wycombe and Oldham. Don’t cock it up Stoke....let’s give whoever comes in our full support, and if it does turn out to be Martin O’Neill lets not make out he’s coming in from the footballing wilderness and not give him a chance. He is in the football wilderness. Its a short sighted, diabolical and down uninspiring appointment of the highest order. The leadership are responsible and should take full responsibility of the mess we are in. SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Jan 14, 2018 18:36:53 GMT
It’s very simple. O Neill like Hodgson knows football and footballers.He also knows the Premier League and it’s players. He played under Clough ffs in a team if underdogs that won the European Cup. He is no mug No. But he is way past his sell by date SGS
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jan 14, 2018 18:40:12 GMT
It’s very simple. O Neill like Hodgson knows football and footballers.He also knows the Premier League and it’s players. He played under Clough ffs in a team if underdogs that won the European Cup. He is no mug No. But he is way past his sell by date SGS Yes, just like Moyes & Hodgson.
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Post by ibby on Jan 14, 2018 19:07:14 GMT
He can do one now, after turning the job down.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 14, 2018 19:13:39 GMT
It’s very simple. O Neill like Hodgson knows football and footballers.He also knows the Premier League and it’s players. He played under Clough ffs in a team if underdogs that won the European Cup. He is no mug No. But he is way past his sell by date SGS In what way??? Age wise, he's a couple or so years younger than Rafa, who many on here would like!!! Football wise, Rafa had a decent gap away from the English premier league, but it hasn't affected him!!! Football is Martin O'Neil's profession, I'm pretty sure he won't be out of touch with the footballing world!!!
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